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OK. Well, some of us have little to no arch. For me personally, running just a half mile always made my knees and (oddly) the tops of my feet hurt. I am very much in shape.
Once learning that low arch = pronation (outwards foot rotation), I recorded a video with my phone behind a treadmill while I ran on it, and sure enough my right foot pronates. So I jumped on the recent Hoka Arahi 6 deal which is a well-cushioned arch support shoe. I've now run a mile three separate times without any pain.
Don't knock it 'til you try it.
You put entirely too much thought into this. Chill out.
Cool stories. But after trying at least 6 different types of running shoe, the Bondi was the first pair that I could do lots of miles in and not have pain in my feet and back. I'm 45 which is pretty old but not elderly.
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Wow, where the rubber out on the outsole? This could probably correct anatomical issues for me I'm dealing with and more than likely enhance my VO2 performance and efficiency. In for 2!
Recent scientific research has called into question the benefits of orthotics insoles, dual density arch support designs, and other long-standing interventions by podiatrists. Studies have demonstrated that such interventions do little to correct anatomical issues in the foot and can even exasperate problems in the knee and hip joints.
OK. Well, some of us have little to no arch. For me personally, running just a half mile always made my knees and (oddly) the tops of my feet hurt. I am very much in shape.
Once learning that low arch = pronation (outwards foot rotation), I recorded a video with my phone behind a treadmill while I ran on it, and sure enough my right foot pronates. So I jumped on the recent Hoka Arahi 6 deal which is a well-cushioned arch support shoe. I've now run a mile three separate times without any pain.
This shoe came out during the pandemic, over 3 years ago. The midsole is EVA which is an older type of foam that is considered obsolete for running purposes. This UGLY shoe is not worth $90.
BTW, I have previously ran in the Stinson and it was very uncomfortable. HOKA partners with members of the Podiatric community for and utilizes their fallacious input to inform the product design of traditional HOKA such as the Bondi and Stinson. The result is that the shoes are engineered to act as orthotic devices. The foot beds of these HOKA models have exaggerated arch support that is intended to "correct" supposed foot issues. Recent scientific research has called into question the benefits of orthotics insoles, dual density arch support designs, and other long-standing interventions by podiatrists. Studies have demonstrated that such interventions do little to correct anatomical issues in the foot and can even exasperate problems in the knee and hip joints.
If you look at the photos of the Stinson it is clear that it has been designed to act as stabilizing orthotic shoe, e.g wide base, minimal tapering at the waste, and midsole foam that wraps up and over the foot. It mirrors the design of specialty orthotic shoes that are often prescribed to elderly patients who have severe mobility and balance issues. A normal healthy adult has no need for this type of shoe and if they attempt to run in the Stinson they will suffer a noticeable performance drop VO2 efficiency.
You put entirely too much thought into this. Chill out.
This shoe came out during the pandemic, over 3 years ago. The midsole is EVA which is an older type of foam that is considered obsolete for running purposes. This UGLY shoe is not worth $90.
BTW, I have previously ran in the Stinson and it was very uncomfortable. HOKA partners with members of the Podiatric community for and utilizes their fallacious input to inform the product design of traditional HOKA such as the Bondi and Stinson. The result is that the shoes are engineered to act as orthotic devices. The foot beds of these HOKA models have exaggerated arch support that is intended to "correct" supposed foot issues. Recent scientific research has called into question the benefits of orthotics insoles, dual density arch support designs, and other long-standing interventions by podiatrists. Studies have demonstrated that such interventions do little to correct anatomical issues in the foot and can even exasperate problems in the knee and hip joints.
If you look at the photos of the Stinson it is clear that it has been designed to act as stabilizing orthotic shoe, e.g wide base, minimal tapering at the waste, and midsole foam that wraps up and over the foot. It mirrors the design of specialty orthotic shoes that are often prescribed to elderly patients who have severe mobility and balance issues. A normal healthy adult has no need for this type of shoe and if they attempt to run in the Stinson they will suffer a noticeable performance drop VO2 efficiency.
Cool stories. But after trying at least 6 different types of running shoe, the Bondi was the first pair that I could do lots of miles in and not have pain in my feet and back. I'm 45 which is pretty old but not elderly.
This shoe came out during the pandemic, over 3 years ago. The midsole is EVA which is an older type of foam that is considered obsolete for running purposes. This UGLY shoe is not worth $90.
BTW, I have previously ran in the Stinson and it was very uncomfortable. HOKA partners with members of the Podiatric community for and utilizes their fallacious input to inform the product design of traditional HOKA such as the Bondi and Stinson. The result is that the shoes are engineered to act as orthotic devices. The foot beds of these HOKA models have exaggerated arch support that is intended to "correct" supposed foot issues. Recent scientific research has called into question the benefits of orthotics insoles, dual density arch support designs, and other long-standing interventions by podiatrists. Studies have demonstrated that such interventions do little to correct anatomical issues in the foot and can even exasperate problems in the knee and hip joints.
If you look at the photos of the Stinson it is clear that it has been designed to act as stabilizing orthotic shoe, e.g wide base, minimal tapering at the waste, and midsole foam that wraps up and over the foot. It mirrors the design of specialty orthotic shoes that are often prescribed to elderly patients who have severe mobility and balance issues. A normal healthy adult has no need for this type of shoe and if they attempt to run in the Stinson they will suffer a noticeable performance drop VO2 efficiency.
What do you think about Max cushioned shoes like ASICS nimbus
What do you think about Max cushioned shoes like ASICS nimbus
The truth is likely somewhere in the middle of what OP said. I'm not a doctor, podiatrist, etc, just a fitness and running enthusiast. Here's what I'll say. I've always pronated a little. I went to a sport specialist Dr of Physical Therapy (not an MD, someone with a Doctorate in PT) and had my form and gait checked out. Turns out, my pronation caused me to favor my left leg, swing my left arm a little higher while running, lean ever so slightly left, and as a result my lower back hurt most days with a dull ache cause one half of my lower back was working harder. After a month of daily PT exercises to strengthen the right hip, I still pronate a little but far less, and my back pain is gone! I run in Altra shoes (zero drop) ranging from minimal cushioned shoes on speed work days to max cushion like the Via Olympus 2 for my long runs cause I land mid foot vs heel and cause other shoes would cause my big toe to blister cause of a tight toe box. Point is, generally there isn't one magic solution to fix something, but a cocktail of things. For some, shoes like the Hoka and Nimbus may be helpful. For some, it might be a bandaid (maybe even a pretty good bandaid) but the issue could reoccur after taking the shoes off. And for others, the shoes might just be damn comfy! I wear my Via Olympus 2 some days causally just because they're very comfy. For me, the Nimbus didn't work. I tried them, but I'm not you so it may work for you.
There's so much arguing over "this shoe works" or "this shoe doesn't" but we're all built so differently, walk differently, run differently, that it's impossible to have one that works for everyone. Some people run barefoot and swear by it. I do enjoy the feel of more minimal shoes on speed days, but I feel it more. Like anything, it takes practice to change to a new kind of shoe (or lack there lol).
This shoe came out during the pandemic, over 3 years ago. The midsole is EVA which is an older type of foam that is considered obsolete for running purposes. This UGLY shoe is not worth $90.
BTW, I have previously ran in the Stinson and it was very uncomfortable. HOKA partners with members of the Podiatric community for and utilizes their fallacious input to inform the product design of traditional HOKA such as the Bondi and Stinson. The result is that the shoes are engineered to act as orthotic devices. The foot beds of these HOKA models have exaggerated arch support that is intended to "correct" supposed foot issues. Recent scientific research has called into question the benefits of orthotics insoles, dual density arch support designs, and other long-standing interventions by podiatrists. Studies have demonstrated that such interventions do little to correct anatomical issues in the foot and can even exasperate problems in the knee and hip joints.
If you look at the photos of the Stinson it is clear that it has been designed to act as stabilizing orthotic shoe, e.g wide base, minimal tapering at the waste, and midsole foam that wraps up and over the foot. It mirrors the design of specialty orthotic shoes that are often prescribed to elderly patients who have severe mobility and balance issues. A normal healthy adult has no need for this type of shoe and if they attempt to run in the Stinson they will suffer a noticeable performance drop VO2 efficiency.
I hurt my feet during the pandemic and made a living in a warehouse back then so you can imagine how painful it was to be 40-50 hours on my feet hurting bad. As soon as I got off bed they would hurt. The only thing that helped me were the Hoka Bondi and arch support insoles. (I have little to no arch). So yes, they do work, I can attest.
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Once learning that low arch = pronation (outwards foot rotation), I recorded a video with my phone behind a treadmill while I ran on it, and sure enough my right foot pronates. So I jumped on the recent Hoka Arahi 6 deal which is a well-cushioned arch support shoe. I've now run a mile three separate times without any pain.
Don't knock it 'til you try it.
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Once learning that low arch = pronation (outwards foot rotation), I recorded a video with my phone behind a treadmill while I ran on it, and sure enough my right foot pronates. So I jumped on the recent Hoka Arahi 6 deal which is a well-cushioned arch support shoe. I've now run a mile three separate times without any pain.
Don't knock it 'til you try it.
BTW, I have previously ran in the Stinson and it was very uncomfortable. HOKA partners with members of the Podiatric community for and utilizes their fallacious input to inform the product design of traditional HOKA such as the Bondi and Stinson. The result is that the shoes are engineered to act as orthotic devices. The foot beds of these HOKA models have exaggerated arch support that is intended to "correct" supposed foot issues. Recent scientific research has called into question the benefits of orthotics insoles, dual density arch support designs, and other long-standing interventions by podiatrists. Studies have demonstrated that such interventions do little to correct anatomical issues in the foot and can even exasperate problems in the knee and hip joints.
If you look at the photos of the Stinson it is clear that it has been designed to act as stabilizing orthotic shoe, e.g wide base, minimal tapering at the waste, and midsole foam that wraps up and over the foot. It mirrors the design of specialty orthotic shoes that are often prescribed to elderly patients who have severe mobility and balance issues. A normal healthy adult has no need for this type of shoe and if they attempt to run in the Stinson they will suffer a noticeable performance drop VO2 efficiency.
You put entirely too much thought into this. Chill out.
BTW, I have previously ran in the Stinson and it was very uncomfortable. HOKA partners with members of the Podiatric community for and utilizes their fallacious input to inform the product design of traditional HOKA such as the Bondi and Stinson. The result is that the shoes are engineered to act as orthotic devices. The foot beds of these HOKA models have exaggerated arch support that is intended to "correct" supposed foot issues. Recent scientific research has called into question the benefits of orthotics insoles, dual density arch support designs, and other long-standing interventions by podiatrists. Studies have demonstrated that such interventions do little to correct anatomical issues in the foot and can even exasperate problems in the knee and hip joints.
If you look at the photos of the Stinson it is clear that it has been designed to act as stabilizing orthotic shoe, e.g wide base, minimal tapering at the waste, and midsole foam that wraps up and over the foot. It mirrors the design of specialty orthotic shoes that are often prescribed to elderly patients who have severe mobility and balance issues. A normal healthy adult has no need for this type of shoe and if they attempt to run in the Stinson they will suffer a noticeable performance drop VO2 efficiency.
Cool stories. But after trying at least 6 different types of running shoe, the Bondi was the first pair that I could do lots of miles in and not have pain in my feet and back. I'm 45 which is pretty old but not elderly.
BTW, I have previously ran in the Stinson and it was very uncomfortable. HOKA partners with members of the Podiatric community for and utilizes their fallacious input to inform the product design of traditional HOKA such as the Bondi and Stinson. The result is that the shoes are engineered to act as orthotic devices. The foot beds of these HOKA models have exaggerated arch support that is intended to "correct" supposed foot issues. Recent scientific research has called into question the benefits of orthotics insoles, dual density arch support designs, and other long-standing interventions by podiatrists. Studies have demonstrated that such interventions do little to correct anatomical issues in the foot and can even exasperate problems in the knee and hip joints.
If you look at the photos of the Stinson it is clear that it has been designed to act as stabilizing orthotic shoe, e.g wide base, minimal tapering at the waste, and midsole foam that wraps up and over the foot. It mirrors the design of specialty orthotic shoes that are often prescribed to elderly patients who have severe mobility and balance issues. A normal healthy adult has no need for this type of shoe and if they attempt to run in the Stinson they will suffer a noticeable performance drop VO2 efficiency.
What do you think about Max cushioned shoes like ASICS nimbus
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https://www.rei.com/used/p/hoka-s...lsrc=aw.ds [rei.com]
Condition:Well worn
Well worn
Heavy tread wear on outsoles. Heavy discoloration on multiple locations.
Condition:Well worn
Well worn
Heavy tread wear on outsoles. Heavy discoloration on multiple locations.
Oops sorry.. edited! Is this better than bondi 8?
There's so much arguing over "this shoe works" or "this shoe doesn't" but we're all built so differently, walk differently, run differently, that it's impossible to have one that works for everyone. Some people run barefoot and swear by it. I do enjoy the feel of more minimal shoes on speed days, but I feel it more. Like anything, it takes practice to change to a new kind of shoe (or lack there lol).
BTW, I have previously ran in the Stinson and it was very uncomfortable. HOKA partners with members of the Podiatric community for and utilizes their fallacious input to inform the product design of traditional HOKA such as the Bondi and Stinson. The result is that the shoes are engineered to act as orthotic devices. The foot beds of these HOKA models have exaggerated arch support that is intended to "correct" supposed foot issues. Recent scientific research has called into question the benefits of orthotics insoles, dual density arch support designs, and other long-standing interventions by podiatrists. Studies have demonstrated that such interventions do little to correct anatomical issues in the foot and can even exasperate problems in the knee and hip joints.
If you look at the photos of the Stinson it is clear that it has been designed to act as stabilizing orthotic shoe, e.g wide base, minimal tapering at the waste, and midsole foam that wraps up and over the foot. It mirrors the design of specialty orthotic shoes that are often prescribed to elderly patients who have severe mobility and balance issues. A normal healthy adult has no need for this type of shoe and if they attempt to run in the Stinson they will suffer a noticeable performance drop VO2 efficiency.
I hurt my feet during the pandemic and made a living in a warehouse back then so you can imagine how painful it was to be 40-50 hours on my feet hurting bad. As soon as I got off bed they would hurt. The only thing that helped me were the Hoka Bondi and arch support insoles. (I have little to no arch). So yes, they do work, I can attest.