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2023 Fisker Ocean Trim price cuts STARTS MARCH 29th
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2023 Fisker Ocean Trim price cuts STARTS MARCH 29th
Previous MSR. New MSRP Price. Difference.
Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000
Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000
Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000
https://www.fiskerinc.c
Previous MSR. New MSRP Price. Difference.
Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000
Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000
Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000
https://www.fiskerinc.c
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2023 Fisker Ocean Trim price cuts STARTS MARCH 29th
Previous MSR. New MSRP Price. Difference.
Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000
Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000
Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000
https://www.fiskerinc.c
Previous MSR. New MSRP Price. Difference.
Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000
Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000
Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000
https://www.fiskerinc.c
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They can't even collect money properly or do dmv paperwork right, so good luck with registration.
2. https://news.yahoo.com/fisker-los...11559.htm
Nissan just stepped away, after Mazda and other big companies looked at Fisker.
Rotting fish.
3. Q4 was -35% gross margin.
Basically, almost all the ev only makers are underwater and bleeding cash. Only Tesla reliably flipped to making money in the past year, but it is also squeezed.
Selling, general, administrative costs $200-230M vs cash on hand $130~M.
4. https://www.reuters.com/business/...022-11-14/
So, Fisker, Rivian, Polestar, etc are all underwater, burning cash, and have years to go before they can surface and make a profit. Each needs infusions of hundreds of millions in cash to keep going. Only one has the Saudis feeding it cash.
5. Then, $35k-50k+ EVs from these newcomers, and even Ford can't make EVs at a profit.
https://insideevs.com/news/693626...v-sold-q3/
Versus worldwide, BYD just threw down the massive challenge.
https://electrek.co/2024/03/06/by...700-price/
Sub-$10k EV Seagull.
Given that Fisker to Tesla don't in-house manufacture batteries to components to final assembly, BYD is going to have efficiencies nobody else has.
.......
So no matter how you slice it, the majority of new EV brands will vanish within a decade, replaced by the majors (Toyota, Nissan going on line with next gen battery EVs 2027~) and the few monster sized EV makers (BYD) that have the cash and ability to cut costs, thus prices, faster. Xiaomi an exception since it can fund its EV side from their cellphone profits. Tesla can pull frim Musk - sell X, SpaceX, etc.
..........
So, $37.5k Fisker?
Price out how much can be recovered from selling the parts and battery - that's effectively your 1st day value given that even Tesla won't take them as trade-ins anymore.
So a "disposable" ev car - run it breaks and toss.
....
In the meantime, I'll wait until Toyota/Nissan's 2027 next-gen EVs arrive....
Having said that, it's pretty clear that most EV startups are going to go bankrupt sooner or later. It's just reality. How many cars does the world need? And out is those, how many people are buying EVs? Every car company has an EV. There's too much competition for most of these EV companies to survive. That's just the reality.
Assuming government intervention isn't going to change drastically, tesla will survive. However, as the government becomes more corrupt and powerful, they might want to bring tesla down. Otherwise, there's no reason it won't survive. They started this EV price war because they can handle it and make the others go bankrupt. The other companies, even the legacy ones, will have to adopt EV models. The government is giving them a few more years to do so, so they have no choice.
Toyota especially is not interested in EV and have publicly said so. I highly doubt Toyota should have all your future hopes. They're going to be in trouble too.
Most of these companies have had the technology for a complete lineup of plug in hybrids, but they refuse to produce them knowing how successful they will be.
In my opinion, the way it looks right now, I would think Hyundai/Kia as well as the German automakers have the advantage here, aside from Tesla. Toyota/GM could have been in the front line but they're too corrupt and I don't have any hopes for them, unless CEO gets replaced.
Either way, people shouldn't be a fan boy one way or another. EV is the future. Just get the car that gives you the best deal. Right now, that would be EV cars that have very cheap lease rates. In 1-2 years when interest rates go down, things will be different
Personally I'm looking to lease an EV because for my usage, home charging would keep me perpetually topped off. No stops at gas or charging stations ever, just step into my garage and drive off with a full tank every time. One less thing to think about.
That said, I wouldn't touch a Fisker with a ten foot pole until it's become clear that the company still has a future, even with the discounts. There's no shortage of other excellent, highly capable EV options from more, uhh, stable companies these days.
Yeah like your neighborhood is a representation for everyone else.
Here's a couple of facts. The fact is that a very small percentage who have own Tesla have gone back to ICE cars.
Another fact is that Tesla have the highest brand loyalty of any car manufacturers.
I hate the Chinese but they are going to flood most countries with cheap EVs.
EVs are going to dominate the market in the future, no doubt about it.
Gas are in the $3.5 now, premium is $4+.
My wife 84 miles round trip cost her around $13.44 for her Lexus. The Model Y cost her around $2.53 based on .1145 cents per kwh where we live.
We got the Model Y this part Jan for $51,000- $5k inventory discount - $7500 POS credit making it $38,500+delivery fee+TTL. We were looking at the Prius Prime and it was well past $40k with all greedy Toyota dealership.
There's no better time to get a Tesla.
I hesitated to cancel due to the non-refundable portion of deposit, but glad I requested one early to get most of it back. Apparently other pre-order holders that requested a refund of their pre-order still waiting for theirs.
Having said that, it's pretty clear that most EV startups are going to go bankrupt sooner or later. It's just reality. How many cars does the world need? And out is those, how many people are buying EVs? Every car company has an EV. There's too much competition for most of these EV companies to survive. That's just the reality.
Assuming government intervention isn't going to change drastically, tesla will survive. However, as the government becomes more corrupt and powerful, they might want to bring tesla down. Otherwise, there's no reason it won't survive. They started this EV price war because they can handle it and make the others go bankrupt. The other companies, even the legacy ones, will have to adopt EV models. The government is giving them a few more years to do so, so they have no choice.
Toyota especially is not interested in EV and have publicly said so. I highly doubt Toyota should have all your future hopes. They're going to be in trouble too.
Most of these companies have had the technology for a complete lineup of plug in hybrids, but they refuse to produce them knowing how successful they will be.
In my opinion, the way it looks right now, I would think Hyundai/Kia as well as the German automakers have the advantage here, aside from Tesla. Toyota/GM could have been in the front line but they're too corrupt and I don't have any hopes for them, unless CEO gets replaced.
Either way, people shouldn't be a fan boy one way or another. EV is the future. Just get the car that gives you the best deal. Right now, that would be EV cars that have very cheap lease rates. In 1-2 years when interest rates go down, things will be different
For the most part, the gap isn't there for technological reasons though, it's because automakers are trying to permanently raise the cost of entry level cars. They much prefer the margins they get that way.
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I hesitated to cancel due to the non-refundable portion of deposit, but glad I requested one early to get most of it back. Apparently other owners that requested a refund of their pre-order still waiting for theirs.
Yeah, they're burning cash like crazy, but so was Tesla.
And look at the amount of preorders they got for their new models!
Yeah, they're burning cash like crazy, but so was Tesla.
And look at the amount of preorders they got for their new models!
Yeah, they're burning cash like crazy, but so was Tesla.
And look at the amount of preorders they got for their new models!
I met RJ as he pulled into a random parking lot one time and he sure stands by his product, tried to sell me the bike pad accessory he had on his truck 😅!
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I hesitated to cancel due to the non-refundable portion of deposit, but glad I requested one early to get most of it back. Apparently other pre-order holders that requested a refund of their pre-order still waiting for theirs.
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