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2023 Fisker Ocean Trim price cuts STARTS MARCH 29th

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2023 Fisker Ocean Trim price cuts STARTS MARCH 29th

Previous MSR. New MSRP Price. Difference.


Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000
Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000
Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000

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2023 Fisker Ocean Trim price cuts STARTS MARCH 29th

Previous MSR. New MSRP Price. Difference.


Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000
Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000
Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000

https://www.fiskerinc.com/

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Mar 31, 2024 07:21 AM
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reicadenMar 31, 2024 07:21 AM
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Quote from bajanboy5809 :
The minute every country basically said they were going to relax the timelines on EV adoption and mandates for automakers, Mercedes and other companies could not wait to pull back and start focusing more on ICE cars. That said everything. Like I said, take away the tax credits and start charing EV owners a road tax too and let's see how sales really go. My business partner had a Mach E, it was nice, not a bad vehicle until he barely made it up here one day in the winter and he had to find a charger and I had to pick him up. Got rid of it shortly after and went back to gas. My impressions of the Mach E, great acceleration, very comfortable seats, meh styling, can't tow shit, like at all, and price way too high. One of my neighbor's is a retired auto exec, I was talking to his wife a few days ago who is on her third EV and she even said they would never have EVs as their only cars, He has a gas pickup truck and she drives the EV around town. One house, Model S, Model 3, Toyota Sienna, another Model Y, Honda Pilot, another house Ford Lightning, Audi Q7, another Blazer EV, GMC Denali. 4 houses out of 100 that have EVs and none 100% EVs.
2 EVs at my house, never going back. Been running an EV in some capacity since 2011 (Chevy Volts, where you at!). Now we have a Tesla / Hyundai ev combo for me and the wife. Been about 3 years now, not going back is an understatement. That's guys wife being on her third EV should tell ya something. Haven't been to a gas station in about 10 years, and public ev chargers maybe 10 times in that time? Why would anyone wanna go back?
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Mar 31, 2024 07:25 AM
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ThirstyCruz
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Mar 31, 2024 07:25 AM
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Quote from bajanboy5809 :
I really think EVs have hit a maturity in the market and a wall. They had success in the beginning quite frankly due to let's face it a form of socialism. Musk and Tesla benefitted from massive handouts, the public subsidizing these cars with $10,000 tax credits etc etc. Now the market has expanded to places where gas isn't $6 a gallon and tax credits are harder to find predictably sales are slowing. If we got rid of the tax credits and started charging EVs the road taxes they have evaded for years etc the sales would crater more. I am in the Midwest, my neighborhood is as ideal as it could be for EVs, very high household income, average commute just a few miles to work or shopping, minimum 3 car garage on houses, you name it and out of 100 houses we have 4 houses that have EVs and even those 4 houses all still also have gas cars too. The most damning part is the guy who first had EVs in here, multiple Teslas including a Model S Plaid and Mercedes EQS sedan has now gone back to gas vehicles, new full size Range Rover and Mercedes S Class and Audi Q8. Almost everyone would maybe switch to a hybrid but generally don't want full EV. My neighbor's son is literally an EV and hybrid engineer for a Top 5 auto company and he doesn't want to drive an EV. With gas in high $2 to low $3 range, honestly what is the incentive to drive an EV? I can fill up once a week, sometimes once every 2 weeks in less than 3 minutes.
When I see infrastructure support EV, I'll bite. Until then, it's a hard pass. It's astonishing,= mind boggling, the govt push for EV, yet the ONE thing required to use them, CHARGING, is still a cluster fukc of mismanagement, corruption, incompetence, ignorance. Despite more adoption of Tesla standards, it's the wild West.

This ain't political, but it's laughable the presidents push for EV, yet practically ignore charging.

So long as I see gas stations with Lego style EV infrastructure, it's not serious, YET
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Mar 31, 2024 07:52 AM
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babygdavMar 31, 2024 07:52 AM
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Quote from WiseLeopard609 :
Electric will be just as expensive as gas if most people switch.

The only reason petroleum isn't $1 a gallon is politics and taxes. People have no idea just how vast hydrocarbon resources are in the US.

Of course you could buy solar panels. 80kwh battery for your model y, so you will need about x200 100w panels to fully charge it daily.

Or put another way, you will need a 100w panel for every 1.25 miles you drive daily.

Hope you have a big lawn.
1. America produces more oil than Russia, or Saudi, yet expensive gas because..... It gets shipped out like natural gas to worldwide customers willing to pay.
2. The problem with current ev vehicles is they're NOT DESIGNED for EFFICIENCY - ie. They don't try to SAVE electricity.

Instead, absurd 0-60 under 3 second performance, super heavy vehicles, etc all hiding the huge waste of energy moving peeps around.

Where's the lightweight hatchbacks and k-cars?

3. https://solarteameindhoven.nl/events
There's better for solar powered cars. Better designs, better ways.

4. As for building out solar energy capacity to power a fully electrified America? Yeah, they've already calculated it'll cover something like a Texas in solar panels to achieve that.

And here's what nobody looks at. Years later when the panels break - There's NO RECYCLING technology that 100% reuse a panel. Instead, 5+% of panels are unrecyclable, TOXIC slag times the millions of panels that'll break in the upcoming years = we've got a Problem, Huston!

So where's the toxic slag going to be dumped?
Last edited by babygdav March 31, 2024 at 01:56 AM.
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Mar 31, 2024 07:54 AM
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TransTeamMar 31, 2024 07:54 AM
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Quote from ThirstyCruz :
When I see infrastructure support EV, I'll bite. Until then, it's a hard pass. It's astonishing,= mind boggling, the govt push for EV, yet the ONE thing required to use them, CHARGING, is still a cluster fukc of mismanagement, corruption, incompetence, ignorance. Despite more adoption of Tesla standards, it's the wild West.

This ain't political, but it's laughable the presidents push for EV, yet practically ignore charging.

So long as I see gas stations with Lego style EV infrastructure, it's not serious, YET
as it stands now.
government is going to have to fund all EV stations.
private investment, I do not think it will happen,
to make 1 Level 3 charging station in CA is roughly $500k - $1 million $125-175k for the unit itself, getting infrastructure, permits, buying land etc is not worth it.

especially when you consider 80-90% of people charge at home. EV stations would be fighting for 10-20% of EV on the road.

I can't see private investors putting down millions of dollars to make .10-.25 cents per kwh

USA is not ideal for EV. country is just too big. need to drive too much.
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Mar 31, 2024 08:02 AM
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babygdavMar 31, 2024 08:02 AM
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Quote from TransTeam :
as it stands now.
government is going to have to fund all EV stations.
private investment, I do not think it will happen,
to make 1 Level 3 charging station in CA is roughly $500k - $1 million $125-175k for the unit itself, getting infrastructure, permits, buying land etc is not worth it.

especially when you consider 80-90% of people charge at home. EV stations would be fighting for 10-20% of EV on the road.

I can't see private investors putting down millions of dollars to make .10-.25 cents per kwh

USA is not ideal for EV. country is just too big. need to drive too much.
EV use problem in big America comes down to an energy density and storage problem.

Big 18 wheel truck trying to go cross country delivering goods. Diesel let's them run 1000-1500 miles, batteries less than 500.

https://www.fleetowner.com/equipm...8-wheelers

No available battery tech can match oil.
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Mar 31, 2024 08:06 AM
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DAC21Mar 31, 2024 08:06 AM
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Fisker Executives golden parachute sale.
Mar 31, 2024 08:10 AM
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babygdavMar 31, 2024 08:10 AM
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Quote from iindigo :
Even Stellantis has more going on than Toyota when it comes to EVs which is crazy.




I'd prefer cheap if I could get away with it too, simply because my needs aren't crazy. Unfortunately in the US EV market there's currently a significant gap in the lower end, with the cheapest new EVs (sans rebates) being several thousand more expensive than the cheapest new ICEs, and in my area dealers are taking advantage of the popularity of the cheapest models to add as much markup as they can get away with.

For the most part, the gap isn't there for technological reasons though, it's because automakers are trying to permanently raise the cost of entry level cars. They much prefer the margins they get that way.
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-p...size=980:*

Toyota is aiming at 2027 EVs with high range batteries rather than rolling out prematurely today, especially given they have Prius as the bridge car.

Otherwise. You'd just repeat the F150 Lightning mess - nice new EV truck that can't go far doing work.

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Mar 31, 2024 08:13 AM
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BeautifulWallaby506Mar 31, 2024 08:13 AM
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I don't understand why anyone thumb up this. All review I saw including consumer report said do not buy.
Mar 31, 2024 08:19 AM
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picubedMar 31, 2024 08:19 AM
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When I read the Fisker official post that they're getting 700 calls per second, first thing I did is check if this price cut was posted on SD. And surely it was … I'm sure a lot of those calls were from SDers !!
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Mar 31, 2024 08:22 AM
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MaroonCorn6502Mar 31, 2024 08:22 AM
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Quote from gt5oh :
true but that has income restrictions to qualify for rebates.
Limit is pretty high esp. for married couples.

Who qualifies
You may qualify for a credit up to $7,500 under Internal Revenue Code Section 30D if you buy a new, qualified plug-in EV or fuel cell electric vehicle (FCV). The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 changed the rules for this credit for vehicles purchased from 2023 to 2032.
The credit is available to individuals and their businesses.
To qualify, you must:
Buy it for your own use, not for resale
Use it primarily in the U.S.
In addition, your modified adjusted gross income (AGI) may not exceed:
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers

You can use your modified AGI from the year you take delivery of the vehicle or the year before, whichever is less. If your modified AGI is below the threshold in 1 of the two years, you can claim the credit.
The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
Mar 31, 2024 08:27 AM
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DAC21Mar 31, 2024 08:27 AM
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Quote from normz04 :
beware the company just went bankrupt
Not yet, they have stopped production for "excessive inventory" The Nissan deal fell through so I'm sure they are in DC looking for a bail out from Sleepy Joe on our dime. We'll, for those that actually pay Fed. taxes.

Here is an article detailing the stop in production due to high inventory. In this environment who would have thought 99 cent stores are on the verge of bankruptcy and Dollar Tree is going to close 600 stores. Think very very hard, if that's possible, about a Fisker purchase. The writing is on the wall in large bold print. Some more reading at the second link.

https://www.wired.com/story/fiske...0statement..

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/03...excusable/
Last edited by DAC21 March 31, 2024 at 03:28 AM.
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Mar 31, 2024 08:31 AM
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TransTeamMar 31, 2024 08:31 AM
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Quote from babygdav :
EV use problem in big America comes down to an energy density and storage problem.

Big 18 wheel truck trying to go cross country delivering goods. Diesel let's them run 1000-1500 miles, batteries less than 500.

https://www.fleetowner.com/equipm...8-wheelers

No available battery tech can match oil.
yup.
USA could try Nio's solution of replacing batteries instead of charging batteries at truck stops.
takes 3-5 min
But dont think thats gonna happen
Mar 31, 2024 08:43 AM
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chillinMar 31, 2024 08:44 AM
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Quote from gt5oh :
spend some time on the Fisker reddit page before you buy
Link please?
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graphixvMar 31, 2024 08:44 AM
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Quote from vzafer :
Hertz was delisted, Luckin coffee was (and still is) delisted…you can find thousands of companies that got delisted or went through a chapter 11(American airlines, jaguar, and hundreds more) and their business continued or thrived.

Your post said "company went bankrupt" which is a straight up lie and you knew that while posting too…not sure why some of you deliberately spread lies here but it's pretty low
Umm, I own fisker stock. I've had it forever. But, I'm afraid to say that this doesn't look good at all. You can't compare Fisker to Luckin Coffee or Hertz or likely many more. Those companies had issues but had large revenue streams and the capability to go forward. Fisker doesn't. They will end up having no capability to continue, not in this current environment with the current competition. Even the big automakers can't make money on their ev investment. How is Fisker supposed to do this? Magic? They got delisted because they couldn't make debt payments. Also, it seems no large manufacturer (Nissan) was interested in them either.

There's no maneuvering to do, they're toast. The 3rd party manufacturer is not going to build more cars on faith. Who's going to team up with them now? I'd sell my shares but they're worthless, just like Ride and a bunch of others

I watched that goof's review on YouTube and frankly I thought it really wasn't a fair review of the Ocean. It looks like a cool vehicle, but that has nothing to do with the future of FSR.

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