COLORADO RESIDENTS ONLY - 2025 Nissan Leaf S $9/mo lease - $0 down

dealUnlocked

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Quote from GarrettM6420

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You pay taxes on the sale price before rebates. Just like anything else you buy that has rebates. $2000 tv from Best Buy? You pay $2000+ tax. Then you take it home and get $600 rebate? You've paid $2000+ tax - rebates. The dealer sells the car to the leasing company for $10k - rebates. Your taxes are based on the pre-discounted value, then you have state fees and crap. But we're talking about peanuts for a car right now at a time when cars are getting more and more insane.

You have to pay taxes on rebates as well (atleast in Colorado)

patrick83

Jul 28, 2024 4:18 PM

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There's a fee to return a lease now? Tf. It's been a long while since I leased a car but when I returned a lease there was no fee. Stupid fees

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DonV1962

Jul 28, 2024 4:23 PM

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Quote from BoastfulLake377

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Ever heard of narcosious? (Spelling) it is CO2 poisoning caused by deep scuba diving. Yes one can die from breathing CO2. But your statements still hold mustard or water.... CO2 death is caused by dilution/displacement of O2.

Narcosis is not brought on by "poisoning". Our respiratory process that creates CO2 does not "poison" us. When we exhale CO2 we do not poison anything. By your definition someone that overeats themselves to death means that food is "poison". Yes we can disrupt our metabolic processes but that can be done by things not "poisonous". Water can kill but is not a poison.

These are the reasons divers die from narcosis and not a one of them is "poisoning" they are all lack of oxygen.

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The diver is exhaling into an enclosed space that does not allow all the CO2 to escape to the environment, such as a long snorkel, full-face diving mask, or diving helmet, and the diver then re-inhales from that dead space.[4]
The carbon dioxide scrubber in the diver's rebreather is failing to remove sufficient carbon dioxide from the loop (higher inspired CO2), the breathing gas is contaminated with CO2, or the non-return valves in the breathing circuit are malfunctioning.[3]
The diver is overexercising, producing excess carbon dioxide due to elevated metabolic activity and respiratory gas exchange cannot keep up with the metabolic production of carbon dioxide.[3][18]
Gas density limits ventilation at high ambient pressures. The density of the breathing gas is higher at depth, so the effort required to fully inhale and exhale increases, making breathing more difficult and less efficient (high work of breathing).[13][3][18] Higher gas density also causes gas mixing within the lung to be less efficient, thus increasing the effective dead space.[4][5]
The diver is deliberately hypoventilating, known as "skip breathing".[5]

My statement holds clear truth. Calling CO2 a "poison" does not. The agencies that regulate real poisons do not classify it as a poison which has a specific meaning. Saying CO2 is a poison is meant to deceive and play political games

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FairSofa5430

Jul 28, 2024 4:23 PM

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FairSofa5430Jul 28, 2024 4:23 PM

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The $52/month lease route is the better choice.

This is a great first car for a new teen driver. Drive it two years and turn it in before heading off to college.

BoastfulLake377

Jul 28, 2024 4:27 PM

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Quote from DonV1962

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Narcosis is not brought on by "poisoning". Our respiratory process that creates CO2 does not "poison" us. When we exhale CO2 we do not poison anything. By your definition someone that overeats themselves to death means that food is "poison". Yes we can disrupt our metabolic processes but that can be done by things not "poisonous". Water can kill but is not a poison.

These are the reasons divers die from narcosis and not a one of them is "poisoning" they are all lack of oxygen.

My statement holds clear truth. Calling CO2 a "poison" does not. The agencies that regulate real poisons do not classify it as a poison which has a specific meaning. Saying CO2 is a poison is meant to deceive and play political games

Yes, I said your statement still holds water. It means that your statement is true.
Anyway, this is off-topic.

LVNeptune

Jul 28, 2024 4:45 PM

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Quote from herbertHawa

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Yes, gas powered is the only way to go!
Plenty of articles out "there" lately, discussing that almost half the current EV owners regret their purchase and are going back to gas powered engines asap.
Thumbs down don't change the truth!!..lol

Those "articles" were fake. I don't know a single EV owner that regrets the purchase 🤣

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DonV1962

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Quote from annestrauss

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CTRFK8 , you're a douche bag

Wouldn't some refutation of his points make your point a bit better. If we must apply the label douchebag to someone would it be the person that thinks insults and name calling wins a argument. From what I see he makes very pertinent and good points.

Kelly Blue Book and others along with much of the American public say the same. Are they also douchebags.as they choose not to choose what you determined good for them?

https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/hy...ore-sense/

https://www.scrippsnews.com/life/...sales-slow

HappyChannel435

Jul 28, 2024 4:56 PM

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lol I bought another EV 5 years after my first. Why would I want to buy a car I can't produce power for myself? Especially one that requires more maintenance and makes the air I breathe dirtier?

The way electricity is produced, by large still uses fossil fuels. I heard on a post somewhere, to think the power produced to run a a/c is any different than to charge your car is foolish.

While there is less maintenance, the cost per for the maintenance on electric cars is high. Plus you have charging costs and higher insurance. Even if you have solar panels, while maybe different for individuals, generally the costs are high to have them installed. You're also paying more for the car as an avg starting point than ICE. Plus you can only do maintenance at a dealership, versus ICE cars any mechanic can do.

As for environmental impacts, the poison that lithium mines produce are hazardous.. as is to the workers. It's also odd that many lithium mines are near labor camps.

I'm a techie person and the future potential of alternative fuel cars is interesting and exciting. I'm for EVs. And want the companies to be in competition to benefit the consumer. However, moral arguments are incorrect and any such benefits are largely outweighs by their opposite impact. Not saying gas is good either. It's just a new thing in the market and up to the companies to develop it.

But for this price, no brainer if I lived in CO.

***used to sell EVs for over 10yrs. Enjoy them too. But also did my own research. Love what Tesla is doing, but not a fanboy.

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DonV1962

Jul 28, 2024 4:57 PM

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Quote from LVNeptune

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Those "articles" were fake. I don't know a single EV owner that regrets the purchase 🤣

Your cocooned personal anecdote aside it does appear he speaks truth. Wouldn't it be better before refuting somebody to have your own facts in order. There are numerous stories and data sources from numerous sources that show just what he said true and you weigh all by just your one set of eyes and small world. That gives you the fake picture of the world filtered through your biases.

https://www.kron4.com/automotive/...erage/amp/

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/...la/721612/

https://www.consumerreports.org/c...047214174/

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/25/e...again.html

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/stud...-ev-again/

https://www.motor1.com/news/72478...witch-gas/

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GurolG

Jul 28, 2024 5:02 PM

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Most of these anti-ev people are only regurgitating the same tired old arguments they hear from big oil and their media partners. Most have never owned an ev, and yet feel like their opinion matters. If you don't want to get the energy to run your vehicle wholesale from the grid, then do the same for your house and run it off a generator.

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DentalPain

Jul 28, 2024 5:05 PM

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Quote from BlueTent2867

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Why Colorado only Frown

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Tax incentives.

CTRFK8

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Quote from GurolG

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Most of these anti-ev people are only regurgitating the same tired old arguments they hear from big oil and their media partners. Most have never owned an ev, and yet feel like their opinion matters. If you don't want to get the energy to run your vehicle wholesale from the grid, then do the same for your house and run it off a generator.

Having owned a pure ev .
The statements are true
1.They don't go far
2. PHEV can go up to 500 miles
3. Insurance rates are over priced for ev's
4. Dc fast charge costs just as much as gasoline
5. You have to plan your trip charging stations outside your range.
6. You have to stop and wait 2 x more than a gas car or PHEV
7. Parts availability waiting to replace simple parts may be back ordered on a EV
8. Repair costs to fix electrical components in a pure ev cost more to repair
9. Waiting in line at a public charger can occur and cost you time vs gas pump where you instantly refuel within 3min
10. Resale value has tanked on pure ev's for Tesla and Hyundai

Coming from a ioniq 5 limited owner who owns a pure ev.

Yeah if you have money I would just lease it and hope you to an return it in pristine condition . The only benefit owning a EV is the comfort of charging at home at your electrical costs. Other than that EV cars are like cell phones , you should replace it every 3 to 4 years or before the bumper to bumper warranty expires.
If you are considering a EV go for the ioniq 5 SEL 4500.00 down all pay lease , 12k miles a year two years free dc fast charging and it's AWD ,446ftlb torque 300hp.
I got the limited ioniq 5 and will be giving it back as the buyout is 41k after two years . Rip-off.
EVs need at least 400m of range at 100 percent charge so you don't have to stop 10x to go 1k to 1500 miles since most of the time you only charge to 80 percent.

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vgyliu

Jul 28, 2024 5:42 PM

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Quote from ketamine

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To drive further than the city you live in?

For road trips I usually rent

DonV1962

Jul 28, 2024 5:53 PM

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Quote from GurolG

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Most of these anti-ev people are only regurgitating the same tired old arguments they hear from big oil and their media partners. Most have never owned an ev, and yet feel like their opinion matters. If you don't want to get the energy to run your vehicle wholesale from the grid, then do the same for your house and run it off a generator.

You dont think big China, big auto, big crony corporate and other big corporate and governmental interest are tied up in your arguments. China now owns most mineral rights worldwide and uses slave labor to produce the EV and green infrastructure. We know that at least a few congresspersons had Chinese spies in some cases in bed. I'm in Maryland and we find that 30% of our green money taken from taxpayers goes to burning trash and wood with many of the companies not even supplying us with energy to our state, they supply Va where some corporate friend of a congressman happens to live.
https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org...yland-rps/

https://insideclimatenews.org/new...subsidies/

EV and green energy take up has the American taxpayer being bled to subsidise and support big money interests and even car purchases for high earners. Look at the case in Kansas where the rate payers have to pay for expansion of coal burning to power a Japan based business making batteries that is getting subsidies plus subsidies for energy use rates while the residents of the state get increased rates and have to fund the power plant and grid.

All this may be the greatest transfer of wealth from the poor and working classes to the rich and government class ever. The dollars they had have been transferred and devalued where most people cannot afford shelter food or energy. It is you that is just going with what you hear do some of your own research.

https://www.instituteforenergyres...mporarily/

https://kansaspolicy.org/price-ta...ks-higher/

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DonV1962

Jul 28, 2024 6:00 PM

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Quote from OrangeRiver8494

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250+ mi is plenty far enough for most people. I like to get out & stretch & mosey around after 3hrs.

To the rest, CATL Shenxing PLUS will get north of 600mi of range & iirc 10min charge. Tech is rapidly accelerating.

Why do you assume that you get to tell people what they should do or need based on what you think they need. I feel a perfectly fine gas car is good enough for you, hop to it now and get one please.

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