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ACEMAGICIAN [Dual LAN Mini Gaming PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U Mini PC 16GB DDR4 512GB SSD Mini Computers (8C/16T, up to 4.4Ghz), 4K Triple Display Mini Desktop Bluetooth/WiFi 6/Office

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Model: [Dual LAN Mini Gaming PC] AMD Ryzen 7 5800U Mini PC (8C/16T, up to 4.4Ghz) 16GB DDR4 512GB NVMe SSD Mini Computers Windows 11 Pro, 4K Triple Display Mini Desktop WiFi6/Bluetooth/Dual Channel

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Oct 30, 2024
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Byteslinger
Oct 30, 2024
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I use this for torrenting and absolutely love this machine. Unbelievable performance per $, handles transcoding 4K brilliantly.
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desynergy
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Quote from superchannel1 :
Short answer, No. 😕 The malware is not loaded to HD, but to firmware. Read one star reviews first, always. 🧐 IT guy there does in depth. Many have wasted considerable time and some money. It is China's mandate to do this type of nonsense to gain access and information. A cheap product is inexpensive and cheaply made for a reason. 😮 💨
That review is comical. But nowhere does it say it's in "firmware", it's in the recovery partition, on the SSD. When you wipe the drive, delete all the partitions.
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Fant
Oct 30, 2024
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Can't you also update the firmware with official from acemagician site? Or is acemagician itself a china based company?
Oct 30, 2024
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16dots
Oct 30, 2024
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The only problem that I have with these is that it's listed as a "Frequently returned item", that part scares me
Oct 30, 2024
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bingbangboom
Oct 30, 2024
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It looks very shady, especially from the reviews. Doesn't seem worth all the hassle even if you know exactly what to do.

Are there any other machines like this that would be good for gaming?
Oct 30, 2024
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FantasticMoon621
Oct 30, 2024
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It may be easy to deal with Amzon but very hard to deal with Ace to get returns/refunds/repairs. I am still fighting with them to get refund on my return in 2023. Amex is stying their best to resolve the issue.
Oct 30, 2024
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bacchus78
Oct 30, 2024
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would this be good for batocera? would loding that resolve the problem, not that im worried about what they would look at if its just an emulator box.

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Quote from sorta_guy :
Beware! The comments on Amazon site by users says this machine has a trojan virus that's bit hard to remove.
Clean install of Windows on any pc is ALWAYS recommended to get rid of bloat... and trojans, and viruses.

PS: Some of these chinesium mini pcs have the trojan/virus baked into the recovery partition... So clean install.
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Review: ... This dude trojans...

The first box I was shipped hand unexpected gifts.
I spent a good three months fighting the trojans on this rig. State Actor formulated versions of bladabind and red line malware. You can go to Joe's sandbox and read a full executive report on the trojans. They manipulated ntframework, attempted exfiltration, and opened listeners through xml on 912 as well as rdp ports. As someone who examines malware for a living I could not place how it arrived on my rig in an isolated vlan behind a firewall. It turns out it was installed before the computer arrived.

This malware maintains persistence on the recovery partition. Unfortunately it takes full advantage of ssd technology and establishes itself in the recovery partition. A hidden area on devices provides over-provisioning, optimizing performance for flash-based storage systems that use NAND.

The claims Acemagic made was that the over provisioning made the hard drive faster. The reality is by exploiting overprovisioning, the state actor malware became invisible to the user, applications, and anti-virus on the device. The malware can rest in no man's land for months before arriving on your system.

Even if the malware isn't caught on devices they claim are clean, by staging malware in no man's land, it's just a time bomb waiting to explode. How many people actually sit around monitoring their rig with sys internals all day? By the time it hits, it will establish itself and start the process all over again.

I initially reviewed my first machine. After getting runaround by support, Ace Magic agreed to send me another rig as long as I deleted my first review. I accepted the bribe, much to my dismay. I was sent a device with a third of the capabilities as the first box I was sent, and it had the same infections.

Both machines are now on an isolated vlan with activity being ingested into a siem, so I can supply a full executive report to others so they are not affected by the malicious activity. Your average person trying to save a buck does not need to fall victim to these bad actors attempting to exfiltrate your data.

I understand the machine is not trusted foundry, but the fact of the matter is there is zero accountability towards these actors. The company has many monikers selling their malware loaded merch online, and they will just rebrand even if acemagic/acemagician/etc gets shut down.

They even closed their myshopify front facing website this past week, after having an apology post admitting to loading these machines with the malware posted.

The malware was good, constantly editing HKCU and HKLM registry keys, disable anti-virus, disabling sys internals, preventing offline scans, using spool services to communicate, and attempting to use ipv6.

Needless to say, I am well versed in malware and had difficulty assessing the totality of the damage until I had to rebuild my soho environment.

So here I am, out money spent on the rigs, and time spent fighting the monsters. For those that this review helps, I will be happy. Fortunately, I do fight actors like this for a living and can use the lessons learned to formulate an executive summary to help plenty of others.

Unless you actually know how to battle state actor malware, do yourself a favor and purchase a machine from a reputable company. Saving a buck is not worth losing your information.
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Fant
Oct 30, 2024
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Thanks for that comprehensive feedback. If you replace the nvme does that bypass everything? Or does the firmware auto load the recovery partition if it does not exist?
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ScarletSnow543
Oct 30, 2024
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Quote from Fant :
Thanks for that comprehensive feedback. If you replace the nvme does that bypass everything? Or does the firmware auto load the recovery partition if it does not exist?
That's what I thought. It's such a simple thing to do, unless someone is too inexperienced to do so, or intentionally exaggerates the issue as non-fixable. If anyone is so afraid of this, why not just steer away and get a used mini desktop from HP for $100 on ebay? Get those 9-th gen machines that have 16GB DDR4 and no SSD or NVME so you can start fresh with your own drives. I just grabbed one for $90+, SH included. Just need to clean up one NVME drive to install windows when the unit arrives this weekend. I got a used desktop 5 years ago and it's still going with occasional use. Getting a used machine will also help reduce e-waste.
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bombertodd
Oct 30, 2024
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Quote from D'Artagnan :
Couldn't you just do a SSD complete wipe and install windows from scratch? Just a question that's all.

Yes. It stinks that it comes with a trojan but re-installing windows takes about 10 minutes these days.
Oct 31, 2024
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Luigis3rdcousin
Oct 31, 2024
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I always do a fresh system reinstall with my own usb bootable from Microsoft even from legit companies like HP and dell
Oct 31, 2024
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Deibid
Oct 31, 2024
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Quote from jaytalent :
Based on the reviews it looks like its on the recovery partition, and who knows if the firmware is infected as well. If all this is true then whoever buys this is basically paying to be part of some botnet attack or worse. I would stay away and go with a more reputable brand, even if it costs more.
Can't you just completely wipe the recovery partition?

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Oct 31, 2024
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Quote from desynergy :
Some of these sellers are fishy. Their Amazon StoreFront doesnt go to the official AceMagician storefront, and only selling a handful of AceMagician items.

As always:
Do a wipe/fresh OS install when you get it.
Only download drivers/software from acemagic.com and not a acemagic cloned site that the sellers link you to.
I agree, but something else to be aware of is malware like moonbounce malware that can survive a wipe reinstall. And you know of malware can survive wipe/os install so can Trojans.

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