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This system provides a reasonable value but the trade-off is the incorporation of relatively custom components in the form of an OEM motherboard and power supply.
This power supply is a 12 Volt Only style model. That style distinction is significant since although OEMs have started implementing their own versions of ATX 12VO for cost-savings as well as to meet certain efficiency requirements, what is being sold in OEM systems isn't really standardized in the retail space. So if the power supply needs replacement (outside of warranty) or upgrading, this challenge alone will create some issues well beyond a simple drive to Micro Center.
On top of that, there's actually a custom 7-pin PWRCMD connector on the motherboard that comes from the power supply. The motherboard also integrates the front panel connections such as the USB sockets directly onto the motherboard. Though typical for many OEM systems such as those from HP, this also complicates replacement of the motherboard and/or case.
As such, this recommends at least three possible approaches:
Operate this system as a sealed box with limited to power-neutral upgrades for its lifetime (so only swapping in CPUs or GPUs which are supported within the existing power budget). This works for a large group of users and represents the target audience of this kind of pre-built.
Be the kind of DIY-er who cuts into power supply wires, uses custom power supply wire harnesses, or runs dual power supplies in a PC as part of their GPU upgrade (nothing unimaginable, but definitely a niche group).
Ignore this kind of highly custom OEM system in favor of a PC which utilizes standardized motherboards and power supplies.
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The integrated graphics in the 5700G is remarkably capable.
Otherwise, for those considering possible GPU upgrades, potentially compatible models which come in variants without accessory power connector(s) includes:
Decent CPU with pretty good integrated graphics. I benchmarked the graphics before I put it in my server cluster which won't use the graphics, but is surely using the huge cache.
Checkout this other thread, where people are posting that you can upgrade the power supply with compatible 500w models off eBay and you'd have a gaming machine ready to accept most mid tier graphics cards.
I bought the Costco variant of this twice for my parents.
This is an excellent word processing, browsing, esport gaming machine. The ram was chit so you are leaving performance on the table, but for the parent that needs to upgrade their windows 7 machine it is perfect.
The PSU is suspect so don't think you can just drop in a second hand 1080 and think you will be fine. However, a 1660 Super SHOULD be okay.
For those who just need a second computer or parent computer, I highly recommend HP elitedesk series because they are for enterprise and have the quality that this consumer level computer lacks. I recently bought an HP EliteDesk G5 mini desktop with i5 9500T, so a little more than 5ye old CPU generation, and the whole thing was 4.5yr old based on bios. 16GB DDR4, no drives, two nvme slots, one USB-C and numerous USB 3 ports. $90+ on eBay. Unless you must have a desktop volume you are better off with this tiny machine. Windows 10 pro was paired with the machine so installation was no problem. Upgraded to Windows 11 pro.
I bought the Costco variant of this twice for my parents.
This is an excellent word processing, browsing, esport gaming machine. The ram was chit so you are leaving performance on the table, but for the parent that needs to upgrade their windows 7 machine it is perfect.
The PSU is suspect so don't think you can just drop in a second hand 1080 and think you will be fine. However, a 1660 Super SHOULD be okay.
Are there two or four RAM slots? I am guessing two, based on how similar these are to pavilion gaming PC and I have an old pavilion gaming PC.
This system provides a reasonable value but the trade-off is the incorporation of relatively custom components in the form of an OEM motherboard and power supply.
This power supply is a 12 Volt Only style model. That style distinction is significant since although OEMs have started implementing their own versions of ATX 12VO for cost-savings as well as to meet certain efficiency requirements, what is being sold in OEM systems isn't really standardized in the retail space. So if the power supply needs replacement (outside of warranty) or upgrading, this challenge alone will create some issues well beyond a simple drive to Micro Center.
On top of that, there's actually a custom 7-pin PWRCMD connector on the motherboard that comes from the power supply. The motherboard also integrates the front panel connections such as the USB sockets directly onto the motherboard. Though typical for many OEM systems such as those from HP, this also complicates replacement of the motherboard and/or case.
As such, this recommends at least three possible approaches:
Operate this system as a sealed box with limited to power-neutral upgrades for its lifetime (so only swapping in CPUs or GPUs which are supported within the existing power budget). This works for a large group of users and represents the target audience of this kind of pre-built.
Be the kind of DIY-er who cuts into power supply wires, uses custom power supply wire harnesses, or runs dual power supplies in a PC as part of their GPU upgrade (nothing unimaginable, but definitely a niche group).
Ignore this kind of highly custom OEM system in favor of a PC which utilizes standardized motherboards and power supplies.
Good luck!
Jon
I wish I could upvote this post more than once. There's nothing wrong with buying a prebuilt and there a plenty of valid reasons for doing so, but you should understand the limitations imposed by larger OEMs like HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc.
In this case, I'd populate the other slot with an additional stick of RAM, preferably similar in spec to the one that's there. It would be better had they even stocked it with 2x8gb rather than 1x16gb, but OEMs still do that for some reason. Other than that I'd leave it as is - as others have said, the 5700G's integrated graphics are capable of light gaming and older titles.
Does anyone know how big the power supply is? It's not listed in the specs and the HP boards are contradictory. I'm seeing some sources saying it's 400w, and others saying as low as 180w. If it's the former and you really wanted to make this a gaming PC, the Nvidia 4060 (non-TI) is an option. Zotac makes a single fan version that would easily fit into this case, and there are shorter dual fan versions that would likely work as well.
Do you know if this can be added with more RAM?
I'm not sure if how good is the processor...but it has a 512GB SSD which is great for the price for the whole system.
No idea why the reference page for the Erica6 motherboard from HP is no longer available(?). Fortunately, you can still find the picture from HP[hp.com]. Memory could easily be expanded to 32GB (2x16GB) and should support 64GB (2x32GB).
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Do you know if this can be added with more RAM?
The other system uses the Erica8 motherboard, but should be generally identical to the Erica6 (two DIMM slots supporting up to 64GB of total RAM).
Although the inclusion of 16GB is functional for the purposes of Windows and plenty of use cases, the cost-saving installation of 16GB as a single DIMM does limit performance out of the box. This is especially true in a system designed around integrated graphics. The value of adding a second 16GB DDR4-3200 DIMM is probably[gamersnexus.net] a good day one consideration for this particular PC (though the linked article also confirms why HP was probably justified for the cost-cutting decision).
Does anyone know how big the power supply is? It's not listed in the specs and the HP boards are contradictory. I'm seeing some sources saying it's 400w, and others saying as low as 180w. If it's the former and you really wanted to make this a gaming PC, the Nvidia 4060 (non-TI) is an option. Zotac makes a single fan version that would easily fit into this case, and there are shorter dual fan versions that would likely work as well.
The only systems which would have been equipped with the 400W PSU were those with an RTX 3060 graphics card. See the three systems listed by HP under the same model number here[hp.com].
All other integrated graphics configurations had a 180W PSU.
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This power supply is a 12 Volt Only style model. That style distinction is significant since although OEMs have started implementing their own versions of ATX 12VO for cost-savings as well as to meet certain efficiency requirements, what is being sold in OEM systems isn't really standardized in the retail space. So if the power supply needs replacement (outside of warranty) or upgrading, this challenge alone will create some issues well beyond a simple drive to Micro Center.
On top of that, there's actually a custom 7-pin PWRCMD connector on the motherboard that comes from the power supply. The motherboard also integrates the front panel connections such as the USB sockets directly onto the motherboard. Though typical for many OEM systems such as those from HP, this also complicates replacement of the motherboard and/or case.
As such, this recommends at least three possible approaches:
Good luck!
Jon
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Otherwise, for those considering possible GPU upgrades, potentially compatible models which come in variants without accessory power connector(s) includes:
- RX 6400
- GTX 1650 (select implementations)
- RTX 3050 (2024 models)
Good luck!Jon
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prices were higher back then.
Pros:
despite its a prebuilt, you can find parts for it on ebay, but they're overprices
Cos:
> few options for upgrade, you have one slot for a hard drive,
> power supply is weak, I wanted to add a basic GPU.
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This is an excellent word processing, browsing, esport gaming machine. The ram was chit so you are leaving performance on the table, but for the parent that needs to upgrade their windows 7 machine it is perfect.
The PSU is suspect so don't think you can just drop in a second hand 1080 and think you will be fine. However, a 1660 Super SHOULD be okay.
This is an excellent word processing, browsing, esport gaming machine. The ram was chit so you are leaving performance on the table, but for the parent that needs to upgrade their windows 7 machine it is perfect.
The PSU is suspect so don't think you can just drop in a second hand 1080 and think you will be fine. However, a 1660 Super SHOULD be okay.
This power supply is a 12 Volt Only style model. That style distinction is significant since although OEMs have started implementing their own versions of ATX 12VO for cost-savings as well as to meet certain efficiency requirements, what is being sold in OEM systems isn't really standardized in the retail space. So if the power supply needs replacement (outside of warranty) or upgrading, this challenge alone will create some issues well beyond a simple drive to Micro Center.
On top of that, there's actually a custom 7-pin PWRCMD connector on the motherboard that comes from the power supply. The motherboard also integrates the front panel connections such as the USB sockets directly onto the motherboard. Though typical for many OEM systems such as those from HP, this also complicates replacement of the motherboard and/or case.
As such, this recommends at least three possible approaches:
Good luck!
Jon
In this case, I'd populate the other slot with an additional stick of RAM, preferably similar in spec to the one that's there. It would be better had they even stocked it with 2x8gb rather than 1x16gb, but OEMs still do that for some reason. Other than that I'd leave it as is - as others have said, the 5700G's integrated graphics are capable of light gaming and older titles.
Does anyone know how big the power supply is? It's not listed in the specs and the HP boards are contradictory. I'm seeing some sources saying it's 400w, and others saying as low as 180w. If it's the former and you really wanted to make this a gaming PC, the Nvidia 4060 (non-TI) is an option. Zotac makes a single fan version that would easily fit into this case, and there are shorter dual fan versions that would likely work as well.
I'm not sure if how good is the processor...but it has a 512GB SSD which is great for the price for the whole system.
No idea why the reference page for the Erica6 motherboard from HP is no longer available(?). Fortunately, you can still find the picture from HP [hp.com]. Memory could easily be expanded to 32GB (2x16GB) and should support 64GB (2x32GB).
Although the inclusion of 16GB is functional for the purposes of Windows and plenty of use cases, the cost-saving installation of 16GB as a single DIMM does limit performance out of the box. This is especially true in a system designed around integrated graphics. The value of adding a second 16GB DDR4-3200 DIMM is probably [gamersnexus.net] a good day one consideration for this particular PC (though the linked article also confirms why HP was probably justified for the cost-cutting decision).
Good luck!
Jon
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All other integrated graphics configurations had a 180W PSU.
Good luck!
Jon