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The price for old apple products is just absurd. I'm seeing prices on older mbp and things and Im asking myself why I wouldnt just downgrade to air and get the newer m4 which is faster, or buy new at these prices?
I mean an M1 REFURB for this price?? I get it's a pro but come on man. The normal m4 will smoke this thing.
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Friendly warning: Woot's refurbs are somewhat... unpredictable.

I'd call them a "spit shine" refurbishment. Sometimes you'll get more spit than shine.

I've had refurbs of Amazon Echos and Amazon Kindle -- so-called "first party" refurbs. Where I bought 2x DOA Echos (out of 3x) and 2x Kindles with less than 30 minutes of battery life. I told them to keep the Kindles, didn't even bother with a replacement.

Now, that third Echo? No problems whatsoever. Same with the 2x Echo replacements. So it's really hit or miss. But for a ~$1000 (or more) device that's inherently complicated with multiple failure points, one that's getting on 4+ years old.... I'd be incredibly suspect if I'd get a good one. And the power supply you get might not be an original....it probably will be a counterfeit. Amazon just isn't a company you can trust.
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Quote from vgamedude :
The price for old apple products is just absurd. I'm seeing prices on older mbp and things and Im asking myself why I wouldnt just downgrade to air and get the newer m4 which is faster, or buy new at these prices? I mean an M1 REFURB for this price?? I get it's a pro but come on man. The normal m4 will smoke this thing.
Eh, it's more complicated than that.

M4 Air (base cpu) is faster single core, about equal multi-core, and weaker in the GPU. It's also passively cooled, so it will get heat-soaked REALLY fast (especially when it comes to multi-core and GPU workloads). So for short duration single core workloads, it's fairly faster. But...you won't be able to perceive that difference under normal use conditions (simply put, you can only open an application or load a webpage so fast before its "fast enough/instant").

The M1 Pro has far better speakers + microphone + screen. Like -significantly- better. And being actively cooled with a fan, it can maintain workloads for far longer than the M4 Air.

Now if you use headphones and have it docked with an external display, that's a moot point. Likewise if you don't plan on using the machine for heavy workloads, you'd probably be better suited with a minty fresh brand new M4 Air.

And that's not to say anything bad about the M4 Air. It has an excellent screen + keyboard + trackpad + stellar performance at a sub-$1k price point. It's an amazing value and one of the best ultrabooks you can get. You'd have to spend considerably more for the closest competitor from Dell or Lenovo. For "most people", the M4 Air could be more machine they might ever need.

But "smoke this thing"...nah, not as simple as that.
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The screen the speakers and the efficiency of apple silicon is on a whole new level! (Have an intel i9 mac) yes m4 is faster and snappy but m1 has made such strides already with the basics that anything beyond m1 is basically yes it's nice to have but if you want to save big penny go m1 refurb for 16" saying that im not sure how good woot has gotten with refurbs cuz my experience with amazon and woot refurb hasn't been the best but for the price can roll the dice and see if its good if not you can always return! I really hope they fall more in price but this is one of the best i have seen and can't say enough about the display and the speakers!
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Quote from LavenderPickle7682 :
Eh, it's more complicated than that. M4 Air (base cpu) is faster single core, about equal multi-core, and weaker in the GPU. It's also passively cooled, so it will get heat-soaked REALLY fast (especially when it comes to multi-core and GPU workloads). So for short duration single core workloads, it's fairly faster. But...you won't be able to perceive that difference under normal use conditions (simply put, you can only open an application or load a webpage so fast before its "fast enough/instant"). The M1 Pro has far better speakers + microphone + screen. Like -significantly- better. And being actively cooled with a fan, it can maintain workloads for far longer than the M4 Air. Now if you use headphones and have it docked with an external display, that's a moot point. Likewise if you don't plan on using the machine for heavy workloads, you'd probably be better suited with a minty fresh brand new M4 Air. But "smoke this thing"...nah, not as simple as that.
M1 Mac with 16GB RAM has a bug where the speakers start cracking under memory pressure when using Firefox. You need to use Auto Tab Suspender to reduce the RAM load and avoid this. Other than that, I enjoy the machine.
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Quote from LavenderPickle7682 :
Eh, it's more complicated than that. M4 Air (base cpu) is faster single core, about equal multi-core, and weaker in the GPU. It's also passively cooled, so it will get heat-soaked REALLY fast (especially when it comes to multi-core and GPU workloads). So for short duration single core workloads, it's fairly faster. But...you won't be able to perceive that difference under normal use conditions (simply put, you can only open an application or load a webpage so fast before its "fast enough/instant"). The M1 Pro has far better speakers + microphone + screen. Like -significantly- better. And being actively cooled with a fan, it can maintain workloads for far longer than the M4 Air. Now if you use headphones and have it docked with an external display, that's a moot point. Likewise if you don't plan on using the machine for heavy workloads, you'd probably be better suited with a minty fresh brand new M4 Air. And that's not to say anything bad about the M4 Air. It has an excellent screen + keyboard + trackpad + stellar performance at a sub-$1k price point. It's an amazing value and one of the best ultrabooks you can get. You'd have to spend considerably more for the closest competitor from Dell or Lenovo. For "most people", the M4 Air could be more machine they might ever need. But "smoke this thing"...nah, not as simple as that.
so for someone who works web dev, and does some video editing. Am I wrong in thinking a brand new air would be better than most of these used options? I was thinking about the macbook air with edu discount. it's 1300 for 24gb of ram and 512gb ssd.

I really thought I could get good value on a used m2 or m3 mb pro but I have been extremely underwhelmed at the options and prices I have seen.
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Quote from George_P_Burdell :
M1 Mac with 16GB RAM has a bug where the speakers start cracking under memory pressure when using Firefox. You need to use Auto Tab Suspender to reduce the RAM load and avoid this. Other than that, I enjoy the machine.
This right here is why I say we should be using no less than 32gb in 2025.

No joke, on a business level, back in 2015, we prohibited general use machines having anything less than 32gb. Even then, 16gb wasn't really enough when looking forward to anticipated future use.

And you have Apple Apologists screaming "8gb is enough!"....until the new base is 16gb, then they're all "So courageous! 16gb is such a wise decision! Look at all the activities we can do!" Yeah, whodathunk?

All snark aside, I wouldn't personally recommend a machine that's intended for future use (3-5 year lifespan) unless it had 32gb/1tb in 2025. And that puts the M4 Air in the $1800-2000 range, depending on the screen size. Not such a great deal when 16" M1 Max/Pro refurbs can be found on ebay with 64gb/1-2tb for $1500 or less.
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Quote from LavenderPickle7682 :
This right here is why I say we should be using no less than 32gb in 2025. No joke, on a business level, back in 2015, we prohibited general use machines having anything less than 32gb. Even then, 16gb wasn't really enough when looking forward to anticipated future use. And you have Apple Apologists screaming "8gb is enough!"....until the new base is 16gb, then they're all "So courageous! 16gb is such a wise decision! Look at all the activities we can do!" Yeah, whodathunk? All snark aside, I wouldn't personally recommend a machine that's intended for future use (3-5 year lifespan) unless it had 32gb/1tb in 2025. And that puts the M4 Air in the $1800-2000 range, depending on the screen size. Not such a great deal when 16" M1 Max/Pro refurbs can be found on ebay with 64gb/1-2tb for $1500 or less.
It's only on my 16 inch. I also had an 8GB M1 Air. It never had that issue with Firefox.
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Quote from George_P_Burdell :
It's only on my 16 inch. I also had an 8GB M1 Air. It never had that issue with Firefox.
I never said anything about Firefox.
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Quote from vgamedude :
so for someone who works web dev, and does some video editing. Am I wrong in thinking a brand new air would be better than most of these used options? I was thinking about the macbook air with edu discount. it's 1300 for 24gb of ram and 512gb ssd. I really thought I could get good value on a used m2 or m3 mb pro but I have been extremely underwhelmed at the options and prices I have seen.
Broad brush strokes suggestion -- I'd get the most ram you can reasonably afford and the newest version.

RAM because you're ALWAYS going to need more RAM. And newest version so that you get AppleCare and the longest amount of updates possible. I'd expect in a few years, the M1 series will stop being "supported", which in itself isn't a death sentence...but within a few years of that, you'll start having incompatibilities from not installing the newest version of software. Unless you get a fire sale price on an older model (which this sale isn't), newer is sometimes better.

Screen size -- unless you're traveling or working on tiny desks, I'd go with as large of a screen as you can get. So in your case, I'd look at the 15" M4 Air w/ 32gb of ram. And no less than a 512gb ssd. With video work, I'd easily up that to a 1tb drive.
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Quote from LavenderPickle7682 :
Broad brush strokes suggestion -- I'd get the most ram you can reasonably afford and the newest version. RAM because you're ALWAYS going to need more RAM. And newest version so that you get AppleCare and the longest amount of updates possible. I'd expect in a few years, the M1 series will stop being "supported", which in itself isn't a death sentence...but within a few years of that, you'll start having incompatibilities from not installing the newest version of software. Unless you get a fire sale price on an older model (which this sale isn't), newer is sometimes better. Screen size -- unless you're traveling or working on tiny desks, I'd go with as large of a screen as you can get. So in your case, I'd look at the 15" M4 Air w/ 32gb of ram. And no less than a 512gb ssd. With video work, I'd easily up that to a 1tb drive.
I think Im leaning toward a 15 inch MBA with 24gb of RAM and a 512gb ssd since it's priced better right now (can get for 1375 usd.) I think If I end up with mac I will probably end up with that.
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Quote from vgamedude :
so for someone who works web dev, and does some video editing. Am I wrong in thinking a brand new air would be better than most of these used options? I was thinking about the macbook air with edu discount. it's 1300 for 24gb of ram and 512gb ssd.I really thought I could get good value on a used m2 or m3 mb pro but I have been extremely underwhelmed at the options and prices I have seen.
If you do video editing and web dev you're better served by a previous generation silicon with a huge SSD and lots of RAM. eBay has 16" M1 Max with 4TB SSD and 64GB RAM for like $1750. That's end game for any of your video editing / web development needs.
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Quote from ComputerSaiyan :
If you do video editing and web dev you're better served by a previous generation silicon with a huge SSD and lots of RAM. eBay has 16" M1 Max with 4TB SSD and 64GB RAM for like $1750. That's end game for any of your video editing / web development needs.
I hopped on the costco deal for the 1k macbook air m3 15 inch 24gb ram 512gb ssd. I do plan on (for video editing) to have a external ssd. I think for the video editing Ill be doing for a while (pretty basic, planning on sort of vloggy/travel content possibly if I can actually get away and remote work) it will hopefully be okay.
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I am upgrading from this to Costco m3 mba15 24g. 512gb for $1k+tax.

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