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Specs (21QR001SUS):
- AMD Ryzen AI 7 PRO 350 Processor (2.00 GHz up to 5.00 GHz)
- 16" 3840x2400 400 nits OLED 60Hz Touchscreen Display w/ Dolby Vision
- 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5-5600MT/s Memory
- 1TB M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 Performance TLC Opal SSD
- Integrated AMD Radeon 860M Graphics
- MediaTek Wi-Fi 7 MT7925 2x2 BE & Bluetooth 5.4
- Backlit Keyboard + Fingerprint Reader
- 4 Cell Li-Polymer 86 Wh Battery
- Windows 11 Pro
- Ports:
- 2x USB-C (Thunderbolt 4, USB 40Gbps) with power delivery 3.0 & DisplayPort 1.4
- 2x USB-A (USB 5Gbps, 1 always on)
- 1x HDMI 2.1
- 1x Ethernet (RJ45)
Specs (21QR001EUS):
- AMD Ryzen AI 7 PRO 350 Processor (2.00 GHz up to 5.00 GHz)
- 16" 3840x2400 400 nits OLED 60Hz Touchscreen Display w/ Dolby Vision
- 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5-5600MT/s Memory
- 1TB M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 Performance TLC Opal SSD
- Integrated AMD Radeon 860M Graphics
- MediaTek Wi-Fi 7 MT7925 2x2 BE & Bluetooth 5.4
- Backlit Keyboard + Fingerprint Reader
- 4 Cell Li-Polymer 86 Wh Battery
- Windows 11 Pro
- Ports:
- 2x USB-C (Thunderbolt 4, USB 40Gbps) with power delivery 3.0 & DisplayPort 1.4
- 2x USB-A (USB 5Gbps, 1 always on)
- 1x HDMI 2.1
- 1x Ethernet (RJ45)
- Headphone / mic combo
Community Reviews
This ThinkPad P16s Gen 4 stands out as a well built Windows workstation with strong CPU and memory specs, a great keyboard, and a vivid 16 inch OLED screen that suits productivity and light creative work. The ThinkPad service experience also gets praise, including fast mail in or onsite repairs. Battery life is only moderate, around 3 to 4 hours under load, and the 300 nit brightness on some configurations is weak for daylight use. The speakers are poor for media, the palmrest can creak, and the Wi Fi card is soldered. A solid pick if you value workstation hardware and support over ultraportable polish.
buyers planning to run local LLM experiments and agent proof-of-concepts (like 13B-16B models with RAG), because a commenter said they were able to run basic LLMs locally on a similar ThinkPad P16s and another described planning an agent training/IFT proof of concept using 13B-16B models and RAG.
people doing personal project-work or school-work who want strong performance more than top-tier portability/battery life, because one commenter compared the P16s variants and said the HX370 option is the one to consider when you care about performance (even if battery/portability isn't the top priority).
traveling professionals who value durability and fast repairs, because a ThinkPad owner said they "reach for every time when travelling" and that Lenovo mail-in screen service was quick (about 3 days) with pre-paid overnight shipping after a screen break.
people who need reliable daylight viewing, because a commenter warned that a 300-nit screen is far from ideal for daylight use.
serious media users who rely on built-in speakers, because one commenter said the speakers sound like an internal PC beeper and questioned how anyone can use a ThinkPad for media.
buyers expecting smooth display responsiveness in everyday Chrome multitasking, because a ThinkPad owner reported refresh/lag issues when tabbing applications (mostly Chrome) on this exact laptop.
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Like any laptop, they are not flawless, but IMO Thinkpads are almost an entirely different sub-brand operating with some of the IBM legacy. Many of the engineers are still there. The difference in build quality, serviceability, depth of engineering... to me there's just no comparision. I own, for instance, a 2023 Legion gaming laptop (pretty well built) and a Thinkpad P16. The thinkpad is what I reach for every time when travelling, even for media consumption. It just feels indestructible, and their service department is just incredible (I broke my screen once). Mail-in service within 3 days. I didn't even have accidental damage protection, they just replaced it no questions asked with pre-paid overnight shipping both ways.
I'm sure other enterprise brands from competitiors are also pretty good, but I've not used one recently. I used to own an Elitebook 8570p about 10 years ago. That was also a tank, and had an easy service hatch (tool-less), and build quality was easily on par with any thinkpad of the time. Not sure if they do that still.
I liked userbench since I as a user get to bench my system and compare it against %ile scores from similar systems and tweak\tune\RMA
Like any laptop, they are not flawless, but IMO Thinkpads are almost an entirely different sub-brand operating with some of the IBM legacy. Many of the engineers are still there. The difference in build quality, serviceability, depth of engineering... to me there's just no comparision. I own, for instance, a 2023 Legion gaming laptop (pretty well built) and a Thinkpad P16. The thinkpad is what I reach for every time when travelling, even for media consumption. It just feels indestructible, and their service department is just incredible (I broke my screen once). Mail-in service within 3 days. I didn't even have accidental damage protection, they just replaced it no questions asked with pre-paid overnight shipping both ways.
I'm sure other enterprise brands from competitiors are also pretty good, but I've not used one recently. I used to own an Elitebook 8570p about 10 years ago. That was also a tank, and had an easy service hatch (tool-less), and build quality was easily on par with any thinkpad of the time. Not sure if they do that still.
Like any laptop, they are not flawless, but IMO Thinkpads are almost an entirely different sub-brand operating with some of the IBM legacy. Many of the engineers are still there. The difference in build quality, serviceability, depth of engineering... to me there's just no comparision. I own, for instance, a 2023 Legion gaming laptop (pretty well built) and a Thinkpad P16. The thinkpad is what I reach for every time when travelling, even for media consumption. It just feels indestructible, and their service department is just incredible (I broke my screen once). Mail-in service within 3 days. I didn't even have accidental damage protection, they just replaced it no questions asked with pre-paid overnight shipping both ways.
I'm sure other enterprise brands from competitiors are also pretty good, but I've not used one recently. I used to own an Elitebook 8570p about 10 years ago. That was also a tank, and had an easy service hatch (tool-less), and build quality was easily on par with any thinkpad of the time. Not sure if they do that still.
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https://www.lenovo.com/us/vipmemb...21rx000mus [lenovo.com]
The P16S AMD variant only uses 1 pipe for cooling. Rest everything looks decent.
Which one would you all recommend for personal project-work\school-work, portability\battery life (important, but not the top priority if performance is strong), and to tune/train AI models:
Apple MBP M5 32GB + 1TB or ThinkPad P16S AMD HX370 (890M) 96GB RAM + 2TB ?
I liked the Macbook M5s (32G was out of my budget though), but the Apple ecosystem felt like too much of a lock-in, especially with AppleCare+ costs and flat fees in case I brake something. Experimenting with CUDA would have also required a separate discrete GPU.
I'm planning on doing a proof of concept to train/IFT an agent and expand on it, using models with 13B-16B parameters (like fine-tuned versions of Mistral, Llama 3, or Qwen), probably use RAG to search a vector database.
1. It has refresh issues. The screen lags when I"m tabbing applications. Mostly chrome. This never happened before on previous thinkpads.
2. The palmrest creaks like there's no tomorrow.
The one saving grace is lenovo has amazing onsite service. I'lll get the creaky palmrest fixed when it bothers me enough.
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I need decent CPU/Mem/Video/Drive, but since I use it a lot, usability was the top priority. In order of importance: screen, keyboard, build quality, touchpad, battery life.
The screen and colors are great. A matte covering is better than a glossy one if you are outside or have lights behind you. Brightness is fine. It's not great midday outside, but usable. I tried each laptop in every store around, and this keyboard has the best touch feeling among PCs. A full-size keyboard is also a plus. Due to the keypad, the main area and the touchpad are off-center towards the left. An awkward nuance that will cause you to hit the wrong keys on other keyboards. The touchpad is manageable. It's a mile behind Macs, but it's better than most PC laptops. I don't use a mouse with it. The build quality is fine. Not the rock-solid aluminum, and there are minor squickings when lifted at the corner, but nothing major. No sharp ages to cut your wrists either. The battery life is nothing to phone home about. I get about 3-4h under a moderate load, but I have a charger at every desk, bed, and sofa in my house, so it's not a problem. Switching to the black theme in Windows helps save power, as the screen is an energy hog. The laptop tends to shut down or deep-hibernate, taking time to wake up. It's a bit annoying.
GPU: I was able to play simple games, like Hades and Dave the Diver, just fine. Haven't tried anything more intense. I was also able to run basic LLMs locally via Ollama, dedicating extra memory to the integrated GPU. It's faster than on a CPU, but still a bit slow for regular usage.
I think it's the best you can buy in the $2k range if you need a daily driver Windows workstation.
Upd: The SSD encryption (came pre-enabled) killed transfer speeds to HDD levels. I had to disable it. It was a Windows issue unrelated to this laptop model, and may or may not have been fixed. Give it a test.
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