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If you play at 1080 or upscale to 1440, 8 is all you need for 95% of the games out there. Yeah it seems crazy in this day and age but we're in a little bit of a gaming dark ages right now where there's little or no progress in game graphics.
If you only have $260 to spend, you have limited options. You aren't getting a current gen GPU with 16GB for anywhere near this price. You can get an Arc B580 with 12GB but that comes with a whole bunch of different compromises such as compatibility and lower performance. The used market is exploding right now for cards with more than 8GB of VRAM. So you can get a 6700 XT which is slower, 2 generations older, far worse RT performance and lacks the DLSS4 features.
It sucks but there is no good option at this price point. People love to say 8GB is awful and they aren't wrong but at this price point, there is really no great alternative. You are going to be making compromises and you need to decide which compromises you want to make.
The RTX 5060 8GB looks like a budget 1080p card that can also handle some 1440p play with upscaling and frame generation. It is praised for strong value around $260, with real-world reports of smooth performance in games like Horizon Zero Dawn and R6 Siege, plus useful extras like AV1 encode and decode, CUDA, and Lossless Scaling support. The main drawback is the 8GB memory limit and x8 bus, which can hurt newer games, VR, and higher settings. It fits best when expectations stay tied to its price tier.
Budget builders targeting a $260 GPU, because this tier forces compromises and the card is repeatedly described as strong value for that price.
1080p gamers who keep settings moderate, because 8GB is enough for most titles at that resolution and the card benchmarks well at medium to medium-high settings.
Yes for most 1080p play, especially at medium to medium-high settings, and it can also work well when upscaling to 1440p. The main caveat is that many modern and near-future games can fill 8GB, so demanding titles may require lower settings or more compromises.
If you can stretch the budget, 12GB or 16GB cards age better and handle newer games more comfortably. At around $260, though, the 5060 sits in a tight price band where higher-VRAM alternatives cost much more, so the choice is mostly about which compromises you want to accept.
Yes, it can be a strong value for a non-primary system, with one report of roughly a 50% performance increase for about $280. It is less appealing as a main card if you want to avoid 8GB limits in newer games.
It can run higher resolutions in some games, but VR is a weak spot because 8GB can run out and trigger memory errors. At 3440x1440, one report showed about 80-90 fps in R6 Siege and another showed 82 fps average in Horizon Zero Dawn at ultra, so it can perform well when the game is not too VRAM-hungry.
Everything is a compromise, including spending more than you may need to. Anyone who knows they 'absolutely care a lot about the difference between 90 and 135 fps' aren't seeking advice in the comment section of SD. They've already set their option in stone, so I agree completely "It is a pointless comparison.' We're shopping for Ford Explorers, not Land Rovers. The Land Rover guy drove right past the Ford, Toyota, Honda, etc dealership and didn't even slow down. He didn't look for someone standing in the Ford parking lot talking about compromises while discussing the features and benefits of the new Defender OCTA.
IMO, the 'my kid just wants to play Fortnite / Minecraft' would they'll likely be far better off saving $200-300 than feeling like they are shorting their kid enjoyment by being pushed to buy something they clearly don't, the ability to futureproof for 2028 AAA games (which clearly they aren't likely to be playing), at a resolution their monitor (likely) doesn't even natively support, at a setting the kid might not even know how to change, is likely a huge waste of money. Same goes for the 'I have $300 to spend' group. They have a budget, if there was a $330 option, maybe discuss that slightly overage. But nearly double? Naw, that is just silly to even mention let alone keep beat the dead horse over.
It isn't at all true that people seeking high frame rates always have higher budgets. Often times they are esports players seeking lower latency. Yes, that includes Fortnite. There are compromises to be made there. For example, such players will often lower resolutions and visual settings to maximize framerates.
Just a friendly reminder that I did not bring the 5070 into the conversation. Somebody made the statement that an upgrade to a 5070 wouldn't be noticeable or something similar. I think that sets an unreasonable expectation and I was simply responding to that.
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And yes, I know HZD is an older game, a really demanding older game, that is often used for benchmarking. RDR2 is a another game that people (included GPU mfg's) still use to tax GPU's to their core...it is an 8 year old game. Cyberpunk 2077, 6 year old game. GTAV...13 years old. I tried to pick a known hard to play game with a built in benchmark that I had easy access to. I never suggested it was the best benchmark, but at 3440x1440 and at @ ultra, clearly that bundle of compromises 8GB card was just stretching it's legs.
HZD is absolutely not a GPU demanding game in 2025. In fact, even with a lower end GPU, many people will end up CPU-bound for some sections of that benchmark. Try running Alan Wake 2, Indiana Jones, Cyberpunk on Ultra RT(This is no where near max, there are 2 settings levels above Ultra RT), etc, etc. Those are GPU taxing games.
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And at my example and at that FPS, I, nor it sounds like you, could tell the difference with that extra "50%" of power the 5070 Ti could throw at it. Therefore would be quite the compromise spending so much more $$$ for little to no noticeable gain.
This is where we disagree, the idea that there is little to no obvious gain. IMO, the gain is obvious. If it is worth it is another question entirely but it is obvious. Depending on how you spend your extra compute, it will be obvious either in feel or visually due to increased settings. Does it matter in every single game? No. Is it twice as good? No.
I am lucky enough that I have a variety of GPUs on hand and the difference in visuals you can get between cards in the sub $300 price range and cards in the sub $600 is substantial. BTW...the gap between those mid-range cards and the RTX 5090 is also substantial. Does it make sense to spend $3K on the best GPU currently available? Not for most people. Should we pretend that a $260 GPU is just as good as a substantially higher-end GPU? Also no.
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It's literally crazy how hard people are going on about 8gb. Of COURSE it would be awesome to have more than that, but the expectation that an entry level 5060 card should run ultra settings at high res is insane. Every benchmark I've seen with the 5060 at med / med-high graphics shows great performance at 1080p. That's the bracket this card is made for.
I mean Nvidia has on their website that they are comparing this to be used for and are definitely marketing it for 1080p at Ultra/Maximum settings. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/gefo...e-to-5060/
8 gb is not enough for the future and the direction that all games are heading. Yes right now it is playing games with upscaling and frame gen, and may continue to do so, but there is no defense of only putting 8 gb in a brand new card in 2025. The 5050 should be the one with 8gb, everything else should start at 12gb.
That being said, this is a good price and like you said plenty of card for most everyone as long as they're playing 1080p. At the end of the day you should only buy what you can afford and what will give you what you need, and this will do it for a lot of people.
I've never seen someone split so many hairs pretending to actually want to discuss something.
Then you ping pong back and forth between sides....honestly I think you are just here to debate everyone about everything. No real goal or point to be made.
LOL, my favorite part was pretending professional esports players are really trolling SD. Are they your target audience or was anyone even discussing that tiny market segment of people whose income depends on having the best possible PC? Of course they aren't penny pinching GPU's. Hardly a news flash. Professional race car drivers aren't buying Ford Fiestas either. And "just a friendly reminder that I did not bring up" esports players...so why are we discussing them if you needed to correct me on the 5070? Which you clearly were speaking about when I quoted you....regardless of brought up that particular GPU.
Have a great day and feel free to have the last word.
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I've never seen someone split so many hairs pretending to actually want to discuss something.
Then you ping pong back and forth between sides....honestly I think you are just here to debate everyone about everything. No real goal or point to be made.
LOL, my favorite part was pretending professional esports players are really trolling SD. Are they your target audience or was anyone even discussing that tiny market segment of people whose income depends on having the best possible PC? Of course they aren't penny pinching GPU's. Hardly a news flash. Professional race car drivers aren't buying Ford Fiestas either. And "just a friendly reminder that I did not bring up" esports players...so why are we discussing them if you needed to correct me on the 5070? Which you clearly were speaking about when I quoted you....regardless of brought up that particular GPU.
Have a great day and feel free to have the last word.
Umm...what? I wasn't talking about "professional esports players". I was talking about people who play esports games. People who play Fortnite, COD, BF, etc, etc, etc. This is a huge percentage of PC gamers.
Umm...what? I wasn't talking about "professional esports players". I was talking about people who play esports games. People who play Fortnite, COD, BF, etc, etc, etc. This is a huge percentage of PC gamers.
Wait...what? You are claiming the average player is also the top tier players demanding the top of the line equipment for ultimate low lag rigs based around a $260 GPU...and only they can be saved by your rants? Thank god you are here, without you their online session of GTA V would be ruined by more than just a person screaming racial epithets
Again, those aren't the people in this comment thread. Anyone who calls themselves an "esports player" ain't begging for your advice on SlickDeals.net nor is confusing a 5060 for a 5070. And FWIW I've been PC gaming since the 90's and I have never ever ever ever heard of someone playing a causal online game, in a causal setting, refer to themselves as an "esports player." When I play catch with my kid are we suddenly "athletes?" LOL..I feel like your goal posts are nearing the lunar surface you've pinged and ponged them that far.
P.S. Now you may have the last word but the above was just too absurd not to address.
Oops, sorry, gotta go, I am going to "eSpOrTs" my way through a 3DMark benchmark, uploading it online to get officially ranked....
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That ended up not being true. Nvidia and Asus made statements about it being an untrue rumor.
They haven't marked it as EoL. But there's zero reason to believe they''ll be manufactured 6 months from now. The limited supplies will go to the more expensive SKUs. So it's more of a technicality than anything.
You keep harping on the 50% performance thing but you are completely neglecting any future games. That 90-135 FPS in a decade old game downshifts really quickly when you load up GTA 6 or something next year and it becomes 40-75 FPS. Furthermore that 50% increase in power means a lot when it comes to things like VR gaming. Youre basically gambling here that 8gb ram will be enough for games released in 2027 or 2028 and hey maybe nvidia releases a brand new DLSS and 8gb vram is overkill all of a sudden but I doubt it.
With the RAM shortage they are optimizing for less RAM. I doubt games will require more RAM than they currently do in the next few years. By that time, the GPUs will be faster and anyone who cares about this will want to upgrade again anyway. In PC components future proofing rarely pays off, you should buy what you require for your current demands
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It isn't at all true that people seeking high frame rates always have higher budgets. Often times they are esports players seeking lower latency. Yes, that includes Fortnite. There are compromises to be made there. For example, such players will often lower resolutions and visual settings to maximize framerates.
Just a friendly reminder that I did not bring the 5070 into the conversation. Somebody made the statement that an upgrade to a 5070 wouldn't be noticeable or something similar. I think that sets an unreasonable expectation and I was simply responding to that.
HZD is absolutely not a GPU demanding game in 2025. In fact, even with a lower end GPU, many people will end up CPU-bound for some sections of that benchmark. Try running Alan Wake 2, Indiana Jones, Cyberpunk on Ultra RT(This is no where near max, there are 2 settings levels above Ultra RT), etc, etc. Those are GPU taxing games.
This is where we disagree, the idea that there is little to no obvious gain. IMO, the gain is obvious. If it is worth it is another question entirely but it is obvious. Depending on how you spend your extra compute, it will be obvious either in feel or visually due to increased settings. Does it matter in every single game? No. Is it twice as good? No.
I am lucky enough that I have a variety of GPUs on hand and the difference in visuals you can get between cards in the sub $300 price range and cards in the sub $600 is substantial. BTW...the gap between those mid-range cards and the RTX 5090 is also substantial. Does it make sense to spend $3K on the best GPU currently available? Not for most people. Should we pretend that a $260 GPU is just as good as a substantially higher-end GPU? Also no.
This debate started because someone said you now have to buy an XX70 card just to stay afloat. That's absurd. All I did was put into perspective that casual gamers will be well served by the 5060, and don't need to spend twice as much money. Anyone who cares about the minor visual difference between a 5060 and a 5070+ or requires the best latency already knows what they need
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Wait...what? You are claiming the average player is also the top tier players demanding the top of the line equipment for ultimate low lag rigs based around a $260 GPU...and only they can be saved by your rants? Thank god you are here, without you their online session of GTA V would be ruined by more than just a person screaming racial epithets
Again, those aren't the people in this comment thread. Anyone who calls themselves an "esports player" ain't begging for your advice on SlickDeals.net nor is confusing a 5060 for a 5070. And FWIW I've been PC gaming since the 90's and I have never ever ever ever heard of someone playing a causal online game, in a causal setting, refer to themselves as an "esports player." When I play catch with my kid are we suddenly "athletes?" LOL..I feel like your goal posts are nearing the lunar surface you've pinged and ponged them that far.
P.S. Now you may have the last word but the above was just too absurd not to address.
Oops, sorry, gotta go, I am going to "eSpOrTs" my way through a 3DMark benchmark, uploading it online to get officially ranked....
I have literally no idea what you are talking about at this point.
I have never one once claimed anyone should be demanding the top tier rigs.
The only thing I have been trying to point out is that the 5060 and 5070 provide a difference that is not hard to discern. That is 100% of my point.
This debate started because someone said you now have to buy an XX70 card just to stay afloat. That's absurd. All I did was put into perspective that casual gamers will be well served by the 5060, and don't need to spend twice as much money. Anyone who cares about the minor visual difference between a a 5060 and a 5070+ or requires the best latency already knows what they need
I love how dude cannot maintain a consistent train of thought then acts confused at all random things he pulls out of the air, words shoved in others' mouths, etc. We can't keep up either with him functionally arguing with himself
Not to mention, who the heck claimed a "$260 GPU is JuSt aS GoOd as a substantially higher-end GPU?" Absolutely no one yet he thinks it needed debunking for all those esports players in the comment section...LOL.
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This debate started because someone said you now have to buy an XX70 card just to stay afloat. That's absurd. All I did was put into perspective that casual gamers will be well served by the 5060, and don't need to spend twice as much money. Anyone who cares about the minor visual difference between a a 5060 and a 5070+ or requires the best latency already knows what they need
I agree with nearly that whole statement. The only part I don't agree with is this one: "the minor visual difference between a a 5060 and a 5070+". I don't see the differences as minor. I have cards in a variety of price tiers and the differences seem pretty obvious to me when you jump up a couple levels. I am not talking about what people say or what youtube videos show, I am talking about what I have seen with my own eyes. That being said, to be fair, what one person sees as minor, another person may see as minor.
As for the rest of it, yes, you don't need to get a 5070 over a 5060. Almost nobody does, really. The idea that you can't be perfectly happy using a 5060 is silly. I have never meant to imply otherwise.
I love how dude cannot maintain a consistent train of thought then acts confused at all random things he pulls out of the air, words shoved in others' mouths, etc. We can't keep up either with him functionally arguing with himself
Not to mention, who the heck claimed a "$260 GPU is JuSt aS GoOd as a substantially higher-end GPU?" Absolutely no one yet he thinks it needed debunking for all those esports players in the comment section...LOL.
For the record, the statement that was made that started my involvement in this debate was this: "Put the 5060 and 5070 side by side on most games without the numbers on screen, and you won't be able to tell which is which".
For the record, the statement that was made that started my involvement in this debate was this: "Put the 5060 and 5070 side by side on most games without the numbers on screen, and you won't be able to tell which is which".
That was the verbatim statement I disagreed with.
For the record that isn't the same statement...not even close to a "$260 GPU is JuSt aS GoOd as a substantially higher-end GPU" which you claimed to have been debating with.
For "most games" (from the verbatim statement) a competent PC and either one of those GPU's will provide a consistently even gameplay experience that "most users," playing most games, could not differentiate between the two GPU's during a normal use case.
That is not claiming the GPU's are "just as good" nor did anyone but you make that huge leap. Using my example of HZD (which you decided didn't suit your narrative), my lowly 8GB card was able to get 90 FPS at 3440x1440, you sit down a user (without a FPS display on the screen) at the same gameplay settings but with a 5070 in the same machine, are you claiming the image at the same settings will be noticeably different / better / less shuddery? Again, we're at MAX SETTINGS and well above what most people consider a target FPS (unless they are trying to case their display's refresh rate but that is an entirely different conversation). The only thing that is being improved upon is the FPS, from 90 to maybe 120. I'd argue (and you have admitted to as well being a part of this group), most users cannot see the FPS difference between those to frame rates. To those users (your average user), the output will appear a identical. Even screenshotting the output between them would be impossible to tell, measured pixel to pixel. That is all that was suggested before you decided to move to the goalposts yet again.
*and no, I am not saying you cannot push either GPU beyond this. There are not games that are harder to run, there are not use cases for a better card, etc. Said I have to put disclaimers but I know you are going to move the goalpost yet again or shovel yet another paragraph in my mouth to debate with. Currently your goalpost (of the hour) is on our moon but pretty soon I feel it will be next to Phobos the way this convo is going.
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For the record that isn't the same statement...not even close to a "$260 GPU is JuSt aS GoOd as a substantially higher-end GPU" which you claimed to have been debating with.
For "most games" (from the verbatim statement) a competent PC and either one of those GPU's will provide a consistently even gameplay experience that "most users," playing most games, could not differentiate between the two GPU's during a normal use case.
That is not claiming the GPU's are "just as good" nor did anyone but you make that huge leap. Using my example of HZD (which you decided didn't suit your narrative), my lowly 8GB card was able to get 90 FPS at 3440x1440, you sit down a user (without a FPS display on the screen) at the same gameplay settings but with a 5070 in the same machine, are you claiming the image at the same settings will be noticeably different / better / less shuddery? Again, we're at MAX SETTINGS and well above what most people consider a target FPS (unless they are trying to case their display's refresh rate but that is an entirely different conversation). The only thing that is being improved upon is the FPS, from 90 to maybe 120. I'd argue (and you have admitted to as well being a part of this group), most users cannot see the FPS difference between those to frame rates. To those users (your average user), the output will appear a identical. Even screenshotting the output between them would be impossible to tell, measured pixel to pixel. That is all that was suggested before you decided to move to the goalposts yet again.
*and no, I am not saying you cannot push either GPU beyond this. There are not games that are harder to run, there are not use cases for a better card, etc. Said I have to put disclaimers but I know you are going to move the goalpost yet again or shovel yet another paragraph in my mouth to debate with. Currently your goalpost (of the hour) is on our moon but pretty soon I feel it will be next to Phobos the way this convo is going.
Are we seriously talking about using screenshots to tell the difference between framerates? Because it doesn't work that way and I certainly never meant to suggest otherwise.
Look, I don't think our actual opinions are all that different here. Of course, in games that don't tax the GPU heavily that you can play at max settings on both cards, there won't be a visual difference in a single frame. Those games will feel different due to lower latency and they will look difference in terms of visual smoothness in motion(assuming your monitor supports the higher framerates). Neither of those things will show up in a screenshot though.
On the other hand, in a GPU taxing game you will need to turn down the settings more on the slower card and that would show up visually.
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That being said I would still pinch a few more pennies for a 12gb 5070 or 16gb 5060 ti. Those cards will age much much better.
It sucks but there is no good option at this price point. People love to say 8GB is awful and they aren't wrong but at this price point, there is really no great alternative. You are going to be making compromises and you need to decide which compromises you want to make.
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The RTX 5060 8GB looks like a budget 1080p card that can also handle some 1440p play with upscaling and frame generation. It is praised for strong value around $260, with real-world reports of smooth performance in games like Horizon Zero Dawn and R6 Siege, plus useful extras like AV1 encode and decode, CUDA, and Lossless Scaling support. The main drawback is the 8GB memory limit and x8 bus, which can hurt newer games, VR, and higher settings. It fits best when expectations stay tied to its price tier.
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Yes for most 1080p play, especially at medium to medium-high settings, and it can also work well when upscaling to 1440p. The main caveat is that many modern and near-future games can fill 8GB, so demanding titles may require lower settings or more compromises.
If you can stretch the budget, 12GB or 16GB cards age better and handle newer games more comfortably. At around $260, though, the 5060 sits in a tight price band where higher-VRAM alternatives cost much more, so the choice is mostly about which compromises you want to accept.
Yes, it can be a strong value for a non-primary system, with one report of roughly a 50% performance increase for about $280. It is less appealing as a main card if you want to avoid 8GB limits in newer games.
It can run higher resolutions in some games, but VR is a weak spot because 8GB can run out and trigger memory errors. At 3440x1440, one report showed about 80-90 fps in R6 Siege and another showed 82 fps average in Horizon Zero Dawn at ultra, so it can perform well when the game is not too VRAM-hungry.
Yes. It decodes and encodes AV1, and it also includes CUDA and neural processing features that make it useful for HTPC and home-lab setups.
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IMO, the 'my kid just wants to play Fortnite / Minecraft' would they'll likely be far better off saving $200-300 than feeling like they are shorting their kid enjoyment by being pushed to buy something they clearly don't, the ability to futureproof for 2028 AAA games (which clearly they aren't likely to be playing), at a resolution their monitor (likely) doesn't even natively support, at a setting the kid might not even know how to change, is likely a huge waste of money. Same goes for the 'I have $300 to spend' group. They have a budget, if there was a $330 option, maybe discuss that slightly overage. But nearly double? Naw, that is just silly to even mention let alone keep beat the dead horse over.
Just a friendly reminder that I did not bring the 5070 into the conversation. Somebody made the statement that an upgrade to a 5070 wouldn't be noticeable or something similar. I think that sets an unreasonable expectation and I was simply responding to that.
I am lucky enough that I have a variety of GPUs on hand and the difference in visuals you can get between cards in the sub $300 price range and cards in the sub $600 is substantial. BTW...the gap between those mid-range cards and the RTX 5090 is also substantial. Does it make sense to spend $3K on the best GPU currently available? Not for most people. Should we pretend that a $260 GPU is just as good as a substantially higher-end GPU? Also no.
8 gb is not enough for the future and the direction that all games are heading. Yes right now it is playing games with upscaling and frame gen, and may continue to do so, but there is no defense of only putting 8 gb in a brand new card in 2025. The 5050 should be the one with 8gb, everything else should start at 12gb.
That being said, this is a good price and like you said plenty of card for most everyone as long as they're playing 1080p. At the end of the day you should only buy what you can afford and what will give you what you need, and this will do it for a lot of people.
Then you ping pong back and forth between sides....honestly I think you are just here to debate everyone about everything. No real goal or point to be made.
LOL, my favorite part was pretending professional esports players are really trolling SD. Are they your target audience or was anyone even discussing that tiny market segment of people whose income depends on having the best possible PC? Of course they aren't penny pinching GPU's. Hardly a news flash. Professional race car drivers aren't buying Ford Fiestas either. And "just a friendly reminder that I did not bring up" esports players...so why are we discussing them if you needed to correct me on the 5070? Which you clearly were speaking about when I quoted you....regardless of brought up that particular GPU.
Have a great day and feel free to have the last word.
Then you ping pong back and forth between sides....honestly I think you are just here to debate everyone about everything. No real goal or point to be made.
LOL, my favorite part was pretending professional esports players are really trolling SD. Are they your target audience or was anyone even discussing that tiny market segment of people whose income depends on having the best possible PC? Of course they aren't penny pinching GPU's. Hardly a news flash. Professional race car drivers aren't buying Ford Fiestas either. And "just a friendly reminder that I did not bring up" esports players...so why are we discussing them if you needed to correct me on the 5070? Which you clearly were speaking about when I quoted you....regardless of brought up that particular GPU.
Have a great day and feel free to have the last word.
Again, those aren't the people in this comment thread. Anyone who calls themselves an "esports player" ain't begging for your advice on SlickDeals.net nor is confusing a 5060 for a 5070. And FWIW I've been PC gaming since the 90's and I have never ever ever ever heard of someone playing a causal online game, in a causal setting, refer to themselves as an "esports player." When I play catch with my kid are we suddenly "athletes?" LOL..I feel like your goal posts are nearing the lunar surface you've pinged and ponged them that far.
P.S. Now you may have the last word but the above was just too absurd not to address.
Oops, sorry, gotta go, I am going to "eSpOrTs" my way through a 3DMark benchmark, uploading it online to get officially ranked....
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It isn't at all true that people seeking high frame rates always have higher budgets. Often times they are esports players seeking lower latency. Yes, that includes Fortnite. There are compromises to be made there. For example, such players will often lower resolutions and visual settings to maximize framerates.
Just a friendly reminder that I did not bring the 5070 into the conversation. Somebody made the statement that an upgrade to a 5070 wouldn't be noticeable or something similar. I think that sets an unreasonable expectation and I was simply responding to that.
HZD is absolutely not a GPU demanding game in 2025. In fact, even with a lower end GPU, many people will end up CPU-bound for some sections of that benchmark. Try running Alan Wake 2, Indiana Jones, Cyberpunk on Ultra RT(This is no where near max, there are 2 settings levels above Ultra RT), etc, etc. Those are GPU taxing games.
This is where we disagree, the idea that there is little to no obvious gain. IMO, the gain is obvious. If it is worth it is another question entirely but it is obvious. Depending on how you spend your extra compute, it will be obvious either in feel or visually due to increased settings. Does it matter in every single game? No. Is it twice as good? No.
I am lucky enough that I have a variety of GPUs on hand and the difference in visuals you can get between cards in the sub $300 price range and cards in the sub $600 is substantial. BTW...the gap between those mid-range cards and the RTX 5090 is also substantial. Does it make sense to spend $3K on the best GPU currently available? Not for most people. Should we pretend that a $260 GPU is just as good as a substantially higher-end GPU? Also no.
Again, those aren't the people in this comment thread. Anyone who calls themselves an "esports player" ain't begging for your advice on SlickDeals.net nor is confusing a 5060 for a 5070. And FWIW I've been PC gaming since the 90's and I have never ever ever ever heard of someone playing a causal online game, in a causal setting, refer to themselves as an "esports player." When I play catch with my kid are we suddenly "athletes?" LOL..I feel like your goal posts are nearing the lunar surface you've pinged and ponged them that far.
P.S. Now you may have the last word but the above was just too absurd not to address.
Oops, sorry, gotta go, I am going to "eSpOrTs" my way through a 3DMark benchmark, uploading it online to get officially ranked....
I have never one once claimed anyone should be demanding the top tier rigs.
The only thing I have been trying to point out is that the 5060 and 5070 provide a difference that is not hard to discern. That is 100% of my point.
Not to mention, who the heck claimed a "$260 GPU is JuSt aS GoOd as a substantially higher-end GPU?" Absolutely no one yet he thinks it needed debunking for all those esports players in the comment section...LOL.
As for the rest of it, yes, you don't need to get a 5070 over a 5060. Almost nobody does, really. The idea that you can't be perfectly happy using a 5060 is silly. I have never meant to imply otherwise.
Not to mention, who the heck claimed a "$260 GPU is JuSt aS GoOd as a substantially higher-end GPU?" Absolutely no one yet he thinks it needed debunking for all those esports players in the comment section...LOL.
That was the verbatim statement I disagreed with.
That was the verbatim statement I disagreed with.
For "most games" (from the verbatim statement) a competent PC and either one of those GPU's will provide a consistently even gameplay experience that "most users," playing most games, could not differentiate between the two GPU's during a normal use case.
That is not claiming the GPU's are "just as good" nor did anyone but you make that huge leap. Using my example of HZD (which you decided didn't suit your narrative), my lowly 8GB card was able to get 90 FPS at 3440x1440, you sit down a user (without a FPS display on the screen) at the same gameplay settings but with a 5070 in the same machine, are you claiming the image at the same settings will be noticeably different / better / less shuddery? Again, we're at MAX SETTINGS and well above what most people consider a target FPS (unless they are trying to case their display's refresh rate but that is an entirely different conversation). The only thing that is being improved upon is the FPS, from 90 to maybe 120. I'd argue (and you have admitted to as well being a part of this group), most users cannot see the FPS difference between those to frame rates. To those users (your average user), the output will appear a identical. Even screenshotting the output between them would be impossible to tell, measured pixel to pixel. That is all that was suggested before you decided to move to the goalposts yet again.
*and no, I am not saying you cannot push either GPU beyond this. There are not games that are harder to run, there are not use cases for a better card, etc. Said I have to put disclaimers but I know you are going to move the goalpost yet again or shovel yet another paragraph in my mouth to debate with. Currently your goalpost (of the hour) is on our moon but pretty soon I feel it will be next to Phobos the way this convo is going.
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For "most games" (from the verbatim statement) a competent PC and either one of those GPU's will provide a consistently even gameplay experience that "most users," playing most games, could not differentiate between the two GPU's during a normal use case.
That is not claiming the GPU's are "just as good" nor did anyone but you make that huge leap. Using my example of HZD (which you decided didn't suit your narrative), my lowly 8GB card was able to get 90 FPS at 3440x1440, you sit down a user (without a FPS display on the screen) at the same gameplay settings but with a 5070 in the same machine, are you claiming the image at the same settings will be noticeably different / better / less shuddery? Again, we're at MAX SETTINGS and well above what most people consider a target FPS (unless they are trying to case their display's refresh rate but that is an entirely different conversation). The only thing that is being improved upon is the FPS, from 90 to maybe 120. I'd argue (and you have admitted to as well being a part of this group), most users cannot see the FPS difference between those to frame rates. To those users (your average user), the output will appear a identical. Even screenshotting the output between them would be impossible to tell, measured pixel to pixel. That is all that was suggested before you decided to move to the goalposts yet again.
*and no, I am not saying you cannot push either GPU beyond this. There are not games that are harder to run, there are not use cases for a better card, etc. Said I have to put disclaimers but I know you are going to move the goalpost yet again or shovel yet another paragraph in my mouth to debate with. Currently your goalpost (of the hour) is on our moon but pretty soon I feel it will be next to Phobos the way this convo is going.
Look, I don't think our actual opinions are all that different here. Of course, in games that don't tax the GPU heavily that you can play at max settings on both cards, there won't be a visual difference in a single frame. Those games will feel different due to lower latency and they will look difference in terms of visual smoothness in motion(assuming your monitor supports the higher framerates). Neither of those things will show up in a screenshot though.
On the other hand, in a GPU taxing game you will need to turn down the settings more on the slower card and that would show up visually.
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