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Genuine question : now that amp modelers have gotten so good, is this sort of pricing justified?
Purely from a sound perspective, a model of this amp through a FRFR speaker versus this amp, would there be a difference?
This amp is a modeler. It's a digital recreation of a tube-driven Deluxe Reverb. Yes, it's a single-amp modeler. Who is this for? Someone who really liked a Deluxe Reverb and doesn't want to deal with the (minimal) maintenance that real tube-amp occasionally needs.
My tube amps don't sound better than my modelers. They "feel" different. More touch-sensitive. I use both, depending on what my ear feels like hearing. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. Anyone who tries to tell you one is "better" isn't being intellectually honest.
What if I had to pick? I'd pick a modeler, just because of the variety at hand with one.
That said, unless you really know why you would want this particular amp, don't buy it. It's a single-purpose modeler, which in my mind is the worst combination of "real" amp and modeler. A person might have a very specific reason for buying it and find it very satisfying for that particular reason.
This amp is a modeler. It's a digital recreation of a tube-driven Deluxe Reverb. Yes, it's a single-amp modeler. Who is this for? Someone who really liked a Deluxe Reverb and doesn't want to deal with the (minimal) maintenance that real tube-amp occasionally needs.
My tube amps don't sound better than my modelers. They "feel" different. More touch-sensitive. I use both, depending on what my ear feels like hearing. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. Anyone who tries to tell you one is "better" isn't being intellectually honest.
What if I had to pick? I'd pick a modeler, just because of the variety at hand with one.
That said, unless you really know why you would want this particular amp, don't buy it. It's a single-purpose modeler, which in my mind is the worst combination of "real" amp and modeler. A person might have a very specific reason for buying it and find it very satisfying for that particular reason.
Modeler/Capture and tube amp user seconding this reply.
As the tech progresses it's interesting to see the shift in the mindset of "this sounds like crap" to "wait, I couldn't tell?"
This amp is a modeler. It's a digital recreation of a tube-driven Deluxe Reverb. Yes, it's a single-amp modeler. Who is this for? Someone who really liked a Deluxe Reverb and doesn't want to deal with the (minimal) maintenance that real tube-amp occasionally needs.My tube amps don't sound better than my modelers. They "feel" different. More touch-sensitive. I use both, depending on what my ear feels like hearing. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. Anyone who tries to tell you one is "better" isn't being intellectually honest.What if I had to pick? I'd pick a modeler, just because of the variety at hand with one.That said, unless you really know why you would want this particular amp, don't buy it. It's a single-purpose modeler, which in my mind is the worst combination of "real" amp and modeler. A person might have a very specific reason for buying it and find it very satisfying for that particular reason.
Thank you so much, that was a very well written take. Super helpful.
I picked up a Hotone Ampero Stage II for $450 off reverb and pair it with a Monoprice stage right tube amp bought for $229 (used $100 coupon available at the time). So for less than $700, I have a setup that has IR captures of the original amp this amp attempts to recreate AND access to a billion other amp, cab, room, and pedal IRs. I don't know why anyone would pay this price for such a limited application.
This amp is a modeler. It's a digital recreation of a tube-driven Deluxe Reverb. Yes, it's a single-amp modeler. Who is this for? Someone who really liked a Deluxe Reverb and doesn't want to deal with the (minimal) maintenance that real tube-amp occasionally needs.
My tube amps don't sound better than my modelers. They "feel" different. More touch-sensitive. I use both, depending on what my ear feels like hearing. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. Anyone who tries to tell you one is "better" isn't being intellectually honest.
What if I had to pick? I'd pick a modeler, just because of the variety at hand with one.
That said, unless you really know why you would want this particular amp, don't buy it. It's a single-purpose modeler, which in my mind is the worst combination of "real" amp and modeler. A person might have a very specific reason for buying it and find it very satisfying for that particular reason.
In recordings the differences aren't very noticeable but while being in the same room as the amp/modeler I can definitely tell the difference. Still no comparison and there are real technical reasons for that.
In recordings the differences aren't very noticeable but while being in the same room as the amp/modeler I can definitely tell the difference. Still no comparison and there are real technical reasons for that.
I wouldn't have much, if any, faith in my ability to tell them apart by listening. By playing? Sure, but I know what I'm playing through. Most of the big touring acts have been using modelers/captures for a long time now. I wouldn't be able to notice.
There are people who swear they can hear the difference in different MP3 bit rates. Well, good for them, if they actually can. Same for things like modelers. I think that becomes particularly true the more complicated a signal chain is.
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I wouldn't have much, if any, faith in my ability to tell them apart by listening. By playing? Sure, but I know what I'm playing through. Most of the big touring acts have been using modelers/captures for a long time now. I wouldn't be able to notice.
There are people who swear they can hear the difference in different MP3 bit rates. Well, good for them, if they actually can. Same for things like modelers. I think that becomes particularly true the more complicated a signal chain is.
I'm one of those people who avoids MP3s altogether. Lossless all the way.
I have this amp, so here's the thing
It does sound a little better than my line 6 helix run through and FRFR on Deluxe Reverb setting but really not a whole heck of a lot. As one person said above it does one thing so unless you're using it as a pedal platform it has very little versatility. You can get 90% of this for 350 for a line 6 pod go and 300 for and FRFR and have literally a million other options.
This amp is a modeler. It's a digital recreation of a tube-driven Deluxe Reverb. Yes, it's a single-amp modeler. Who is this for? Someone who really liked a Deluxe Reverb and doesn't want to deal with the (minimal) maintenance that real tube-amp occasionally needs.
My tube amps don't sound better than my modelers. They "feel" different. More touch-sensitive. I use both, depending on what my ear feels like hearing. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. Anyone who tries to tell you one is "better" isn't being intellectually honest.
What if I had to pick? I'd pick a modeler, just because of the variety at hand with one.
That said, unless you really know why you would want this particular amp, don't buy it. It's a single-purpose modeler, which in my mind is the worst combination of "real" amp and modeler. A person might have a very specific reason for buying it and find it very satisfying for that particular reason.
The 'just plug in and play' aspect is exactly why I purchased the Tone Master Bassman.
That, and the ability to play at bedroom levels without needing an attenuator, with just a flip of a knob....
I picked up a Hotone Ampero Stage II for $450 off reverb and pair it with a Monoprice stage right tube amp bought for $229 (used $100 coupon available at the time). So for less than $700, I have a setup that has IR captures of the original amp this amp attempts to recreate AND access to a billion other amp, cab, room, and pedal IRs. I don't know why anyone would pay this price for such a limited application.
Well the Monoprice amp (15w) I presume, and your Hotone may be all well and good. However the Fender Name still atracts a lot of buyers. Same goes for its resale. These amps have sold a surprising amount (well before this past year when everything guitar went for a dump as far as sales) , reason being is simple. These weigh a fraction of the OG's , have much less maintenance and have the same volume and tone (to over 99% of the folks who were surveyed). So for a good number of players who gig often , need to power and volume and carry their own gear, while wanting a reliable product with a reputation at a cheaper price and third the weight. Ya it sold ! Way before anyone ever saw a sale price. Plus , once again, guitars and their equipment will level off and prices will rise again used and new for the name brands. Never in a million years did I think this amp could live up to the OG. Until I was at NAMM a few years back when they were introduced. Not kidding when I say players who tried em , side by side with the OG were blown away and wanted one. To say they're not worth it? Why not? Some know the times they want and that's it. Add to that if they ever sell it , it'll bring a good amount of cash. Just my opinion, from what I've witnessed at their introduction, folks I know who have one and over 50 years of playing. Cheers
This amp is a modeler. It's a digital recreation of a tube-driven Deluxe Reverb. Yes, it's a single-amp modeler. Who is this for? Someone who really liked a Deluxe Reverb and doesn't want to deal with the (minimal) maintenance that real tube-amp occasionally needs.
My tube amps don't sound better than my modelers. They "feel" different. More touch-sensitive. I use both, depending on what my ear feels like hearing. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. Anyone who tries to tell you one is "better" isn't being intellectually honest.
What if I had to pick? I'd pick a modeler, just because of the variety at hand with one.
That said, unless you really know why you would want this particular amp, don't buy it. It's a single-purpose modeler, which in my mind is the worst combination of "real" amp and modeler. A person might have a very specific reason for buying it and find it very satisfying for that particular reason.
Perhaps a different viewpoint: I think a lot of it depends on playing style. the poster who mentioned touch sensitivity hit on the biggest difference for me. I own both tube and modelers, and while I agree that modelers sound a million times better than they used to, they don't sound the same with my playing style. I am very light handed, mostly playing with my fingers instead of a pick. The dynamic differences are just so different still, especially when using a Class A tube amp. Most of my friends are much more heavy handed and use thick picks. I'm sure with that playing style, many of the differences disappear. Not at all saying I'm better, because I'm really not. It's just a style difference, but for me dynamics are the part of music that bring me the most joy. If I could only have one amp, I wouldn't have to think for a second, it would definitely be tube.
I have this amp, so here's the thing
It does sound a little better than my line 6 helix run through and FRFR on Deluxe Reverb setting but really not a whole heck of a lot. As one person said above it does one thing so unless you're using it as a pedal platform it has very little versatility. You can get 90% of this for 350 for a line 6 pod go and 300 for and FRFR and have literally a million other options.
I agree and the millon other options comes in handy when you have a large guitar collection with different pickups. I originally thought I didn't like certain amps, but when paired with the right guitar, I ate my words.
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This amp is a modeler. It's a digital recreation of a tube-driven Deluxe Reverb. Yes, it's a single-amp modeler. Who is this for? Someone who really liked a Deluxe Reverb and doesn't want to deal with the (minimal) maintenance that real tube-amp occasionally needs.
My tube amps don't sound better than my modelers. They "feel" different. More touch-sensitive. I use both, depending on what my ear feels like hearing. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. Anyone who tries to tell you one is "better" isn't being intellectually honest.
What if I had to pick? I'd pick a modeler, just because of the variety at hand with one.
That said, unless you really know why you would want this particular amp, don't buy it. It's a single-purpose modeler, which in my mind is the worst combination of "real" amp and modeler. A person might have a very specific reason for buying it and find it very satisfying for that particular reason.
I cannot have said it better. Didn't these go down to like $200 used, then back up a bit when noted they sound good? Like he said, special, limited case for this. Now a days it's choose your modeler parts carefully. Which can combine with tubes.
Oh and tubes are a bit more touch sensitive; but some (non-tube units) are caught up (close enough) with touch also. The circuit(s) is the tone(and cover variations).
And tubes can be repaired. I recommend a mix. Even for lower total cost. AKA best value. ...Million ways to do it though. None wrong.
Weight?
And different version updates of this.
Does Fender have a track record of supporting their amps as years go by, standing behind their product? Nope.
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Purely from a sound perspective, a model of this amp through a FRFR speaker versus this amp, would there be a difference?
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Purely from a sound perspective, a model of this amp through a FRFR speaker versus this amp, would there be a difference?
My tube amps don't sound better than my modelers. They "feel" different. More touch-sensitive. I use both, depending on what my ear feels like hearing. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. Anyone who tries to tell you one is "better" isn't being intellectually honest.
What if I had to pick? I'd pick a modeler, just because of the variety at hand with one.
That said, unless you really know why you would want this particular amp, don't buy it. It's a single-purpose modeler, which in my mind is the worst combination of "real" amp and modeler. A person might have a very specific reason for buying it and find it very satisfying for that particular reason.
My tube amps don't sound better than my modelers. They "feel" different. More touch-sensitive. I use both, depending on what my ear feels like hearing. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. Anyone who tries to tell you one is "better" isn't being intellectually honest.
What if I had to pick? I'd pick a modeler, just because of the variety at hand with one.
That said, unless you really know why you would want this particular amp, don't buy it. It's a single-purpose modeler, which in my mind is the worst combination of "real" amp and modeler. A person might have a very specific reason for buying it and find it very satisfying for that particular reason.
As the tech progresses it's interesting to see the shift in the mindset of "this sounds like crap" to "wait, I couldn't tell?"
My tube amps don't sound better than my modelers. They "feel" different. More touch-sensitive. I use both, depending on what my ear feels like hearing. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. Anyone who tries to tell you one is "better" isn't being intellectually honest.
What if I had to pick? I'd pick a modeler, just because of the variety at hand with one.
That said, unless you really know why you would want this particular amp, don't buy it. It's a single-purpose modeler, which in my mind is the worst combination of "real" amp and modeler. A person might have a very specific reason for buying it and find it very satisfying for that particular reason.
There are people who swear they can hear the difference in different MP3 bit rates. Well, good for them, if they actually can. Same for things like modelers. I think that becomes particularly true the more complicated a signal chain is.
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There are people who swear they can hear the difference in different MP3 bit rates. Well, good for them, if they actually can. Same for things like modelers. I think that becomes particularly true the more complicated a signal chain is.
It does sound a little better than my line 6 helix run through and FRFR on Deluxe Reverb setting but really not a whole heck of a lot. As one person said above it does one thing so unless you're using it as a pedal platform it has very little versatility. You can get 90% of this for 350 for a line 6 pod go and 300 for and FRFR and have literally a million other options.
My tube amps don't sound better than my modelers. They "feel" different. More touch-sensitive. I use both, depending on what my ear feels like hearing. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. Anyone who tries to tell you one is "better" isn't being intellectually honest.
What if I had to pick? I'd pick a modeler, just because of the variety at hand with one.
That said, unless you really know why you would want this particular amp, don't buy it. It's a single-purpose modeler, which in my mind is the worst combination of "real" amp and modeler. A person might have a very specific reason for buying it and find it very satisfying for that particular reason.
That, and the ability to play at bedroom levels without needing an attenuator, with just a flip of a knob....
My tube amps don't sound better than my modelers. They "feel" different. More touch-sensitive. I use both, depending on what my ear feels like hearing. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. Anyone who tries to tell you one is "better" isn't being intellectually honest.
What if I had to pick? I'd pick a modeler, just because of the variety at hand with one.
That said, unless you really know why you would want this particular amp, don't buy it. It's a single-purpose modeler, which in my mind is the worst combination of "real" amp and modeler. A person might have a very specific reason for buying it and find it very satisfying for that particular reason.
It does sound a little better than my line 6 helix run through and FRFR on Deluxe Reverb setting but really not a whole heck of a lot. As one person said above it does one thing so unless you're using it as a pedal platform it has very little versatility. You can get 90% of this for 350 for a line 6 pod go and 300 for and FRFR and have literally a million other options.
I agree and the millon other options comes in handy when you have a large guitar collection with different pickups. I originally thought I didn't like certain amps, but when paired with the right guitar, I ate my words.
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My tube amps don't sound better than my modelers. They "feel" different. More touch-sensitive. I use both, depending on what my ear feels like hearing. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. Anyone who tries to tell you one is "better" isn't being intellectually honest.
What if I had to pick? I'd pick a modeler, just because of the variety at hand with one.
That said, unless you really know why you would want this particular amp, don't buy it. It's a single-purpose modeler, which in my mind is the worst combination of "real" amp and modeler. A person might have a very specific reason for buying it and find it very satisfying for that particular reason.
Oh and tubes are a bit more touch sensitive; but some (non-tube units) are caught up (close enough) with touch also. The circuit(s) is the tone(and cover variations).
And tubes can be repaired. I recommend a mix. Even for lower total cost. AKA best value. ...Million ways to do it though. None wrong.
Weight?
And different version updates of this.
Does Fender have a track record of supporting their amps as years go by, standing behind their product? Nope.
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