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If you want to see how a bunch of the new receivers only put out ~30 watts when they go into a secret 'limp mode' with no indication that you are not getting the 135wpc you paid for......
The 30wpc that you are currently getting from the receiver seems loud, but you are missing out on the dynamic peaks that can be 100w, even on moderate volume movie watching.
I did not realize the Onkyo rz30 had this limp mode flaw, when I purchased it last year. Should I get this amplifier? I'm driving klipsch rp 504c, pair of 8000f, and mirage nanosats for height and surround, with a monolith m12v2 subwoofer.
I vote no, those speakers aren't that difficult to drive to their potential.
I've setup several of these PAC units & no one has ever pointed out, oh no limp mode issue kicked in!
One recent was the RZ30(& compared to RZ70), a 9 channel SVS Prime/Ultras & 1 sub in a medium size environment.
We pushed it way over normal/average levels.
If limp mode kicked in, none of us noticed.
At normal/ average levels, it was a very capable unit.
As a matter of fact, other than those extremely high levels, it held up pretty well vs the RZ70.
Especially when you consider the price difference!
Imo I would invest the $325 in DLBC, it improves the sound better than power.
I have an Onkyo RZ50 powering a pair of Polk LSIM 703, 704c, 702 and 2 in-ceiling atmos/height speakers. I have a subwoofer. Would this external amp benefit my situation or should I look into getting a better rated 3 channel amp to power just my fronts?
Absolutely. It's really not about loudness. It is about dynamics. It's about dynamic impulse response. With your speakers, you will notice a difference.
I have the LSIM in my two setups. I know your speakers. I have the five channel in my family room powering my 704, 703, and two xt90 n my rear. Is it as good at the monolith x, No. But it will be way better than what you have and that is probably enough. I have the 11x in my HT, but that is driving the 705, 706, 702, 80fx, reserve 900, r900.
Obviously, the amplifier prevents clipping, but much of that depends on how loud you listen to it.
I'm surprised at the comments that modern speakers are more likely to stress amps with variably low impedance. The only speakers I've had with that issue were 30 or more years old (and were very high end at the time). They sounded great with heavy duty class AB amps but fully killed more than one receiver.
I tried to pair them with a of the top-of-the-line (well, maybe a step or two down, but still very expensive) Yamaha Aventage amp, and they sounded OK in stereo mode, but trying to run full surround sound with make the amp involuntarily cut output or even shut off entirely. For context, I don't listen to music at very high volumes—even reference volume (85db) feels very loud to me. So it truly is a quirk of speaker design that made these old speakers kill amps. As I understand it, it's principally a result of crossover architecture.
Anyway, if in the exceedingly unlikely event you happen to have speakers like that and are tired of killing amps and receivers, this Monolith should solve your problem (assuming it has an adequate power supply).
(FWIW, I completely got out of passive speakers when I learned how good active designs have gotten. My main setup now is Kali studio monitors with room correction. They're way smaller, not power hogs, and sound better than anything I've tried before. And they're pretty cheap.)
Not sure anyone said 'kill'.
The performance is degraded to some degree due to the amp not being able to provide the power(current) needed for high SPL dynamic peaks.
The heat generated could shorten the lifespan but I would not think of it as killing the amps.
If you drive to very high levels the amps can and will go into protect and shut down.
Absolutely. It's really not about loudness. It is about dynamics. It's about dynamic impulse response. With your speakers, you will notice a difference.
I have the LSIM in my two setups. I know your speakers. I have the five channel in my family room powering my 704, 703, and two xt90 n my rear. Is it as good at the monolith x, No. But it will be way better than what you have and that is probably enough. I have the 11x in my HT, but that is driving the 705, 706, 702, 80fx, reserve 900, r900.
Obviously, the amplifier prevents clipping, but much of that depends on how loud you listen to it.
Amps don't automatically 'prevent' clipping.
Some do have limiters for clipping typically just 'pro' amps, most just go into protect by shutting down or greatly reducing the output level when the current draw is to high or the temperature is to high but by then you may already be in hard clipping.
There will be little improvement in dynamics. The amp does not produce more power except when the current draw is high. Then in those areas at maximum volume you get a couple db of extra output. Likely not meaningful in most cases & in the ones who do benefit just get an actual high power amp, not 90-135watts.
If you want and value 'dynamics' (especially when in larger spaces) include subwoofers, possibly larger speakers and amps with real high power output in the 250-600+watt channel range. Then you will likely never run into clipping and you maximize the 'dynamic' capability of almost any speaker since that more output that most can handle.
Thanks! Just pulled the trigger. Hopefully it gives the speakers a little more headroom on the 4300, and will help prevent the 30 wpc crippling when I get the 3800.I don't think either Denon has XLR outputs, so I'll have to buy RCA cables. Any recommendations on retailers/specifications for the RCA cables? These would be a very short run cables. I'm thinking Monoprice must sell something that's decent.
Actually the 4300 doesn't have this 30wpc issue.
TBH XLRs are even way less of a benefit than power.
That's if it's even a true balanced signal, not all are.
The two prong power cord would probably be a bigger issue/concern.
You pointed to one reason, the run is usually very short.
Another is technically the XLR should extend from external amp to speakers, most don't.
They do this with subwoofers for a reason, it is also a "speaker" after all.
Personally I'd rather have those XLRs added on AVRs.
Just get some decent rated ones on Amazon like CableDirect, GEARit, monoprice is there also.
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I stop into ASR weekly for my dose of hard audio reality.I have not read all of Amir's reviews, but I got a used Pioneer 505 cheap when my favorite local audio store got it in trade because of the Limp Mode. Since I have a rack of quarter century old Parasound 3500 amps (500wpc into 4 ohms), the Pioneer was perfect for me, since I don't need to use the internal amps. Receivers are junk tech that quickly becomes outdated and replaced constantly. Quality amps are good for decades (well, at least until I have to re-cap them, lol)
lol "audio reality"!
Speak of reality, out of curiosity, at what point did you hear this limp mode kick in on the 505?
What were the parameters?
Im not sure I would call things like Atmos/DTS:X, Dirac, Auro 3d, virtual X, HDMI 2.1,etc "junk"!
I do agree on eternal amps though..... buy once, cry once.
Especially since good ones easily outperform internal power supplies!
Like you I'm using the 3800 as a pre pro, it offers all the tech current PAC units offer & then some!
Speak of reality, out of curiosity, at what point did you hear this limp mode kick in on the 505?
What were the parameters?
I've never hooked up any speakers directly to the Pioneer 505.
My buddy at the audio shop told me that a customer had traded the unit in because of the limp mode. He knew I had a bunch of high current amps in my system; so I would be immune to the problem.
It fixed the eARC problem of my old receiver
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Im not sure I would call things like Atmos/DTS:X, Dirac, Auro 3d, virtual X, HDMI 2.1,etc "junk"!
It's junk because all those features will be outdated in a few years. We soon will be using Atomic Atmos Flexi, DTS:XXX, HDMI 3, 8k switching, and all those old receivers will only power the speakers in our garage @ 30 watts.
You can still use a 30 year old amp to it's fullest capabilities, but you sure are not going to use a 30 year old surround receiver.
I've never hooked up any speakers directly to the Pioneer 505.My buddy at the audio shop told me that a customer had traded the unit in because of the limp mode. He knew I had a bunch of high current amps in my system; so I would be immune to the problem. It fixed the eARC problem of my old receiver It's junk because all those features will be outdated in a few years. We soon will be using Atomic Atmos Flexi, DTS:XXX, HDMI 3, 8k switching, and all those old receivers will only power the speakers in our garage @ 30 watts. You can still use a 30 year old amp to it's fullest capabilities, but you sure are not going to use a 30 year old surround receiver.
I would say if you want actual "audio reality".
You should try to hook it up and see if you can hear that limp mode issue.
I think you mean outdated rather than junk.
Keep in mind it's only junk/outdated if you don't use it or need it anymore.
The irony here is that we have the advancements of Atmos/X & 4k/HDR and many choose to stream & a soundbar!
Current commercial displays can't even take full advantage of 4k & we're talking 8K now!
I can tell you that "Atmos" is really only advantageous if done properly.
If it's not(most aren't) the legacy algorithms can be very comparable. Especially with streaming content!
Last edited by supermanrob July 3, 2026 at 03:29 PM.
As other wise fellow audio nerds here have said, a dedicated amp like this is always and forever the way to go. Bought the 100lb 200wpc version almost a decade ago when it came out and will never look back.
As tech and formats change in AVR's, clean power never becomes outdated.
Buy one of these once, and a nice AVR/pre ever 7-10 years, and you're set for life!
Thoughts on this amp to power the different zones/speakers throughout the house? One of the amps keeps turning off after a few minutes of being on, and sometimes refuses to turn on altogether.
I can't remember exactly, but there is something non-standard about the binding posts on the Pioneer 505.Either they don't accept Banana Jacks, or they are spaced incorrectly for plugging in the jack pair.
I think you're missing the point.
FYI those internal amps continue to draw power while using pre outs, they do not turn off(ie preamp mode).
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If you want to see how a bunch of the new receivers only put out ~30 watts when they go into a secret 'limp mode' with no indication that you are not getting the 135wpc you paid for......
Even if you forget and leave the internal amps on, the heatsink fans will never come on because they are not actually under load.
https://www.audioscienc
The 30wpc that you are currently getting from the receiver seems loud, but you are missing out on the dynamic peaks that can be 100w, even on moderate volume movie watching.
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I've setup several of these PAC units & no one has ever pointed out, oh no limp mode issue kicked in!
One recent was the RZ30(& compared to RZ70), a 9 channel SVS Prime/Ultras & 1 sub in a medium size environment.
We pushed it way over normal/average levels.
If limp mode kicked in, none of us noticed.
At normal/ average levels, it was a very capable unit.
As a matter of fact, other than those extremely high levels, it held up pretty well vs the RZ70.
Especially when you consider the price difference!
Imo I would invest the $325 in DLBC, it improves the sound better than power.
I have the LSIM in my two setups. I know your speakers. I have the five channel in my family room powering my 704, 703, and two xt90 n my rear. Is it as good at the monolith x, No. But it will be way better than what you have and that is probably enough. I have the 11x in my HT, but that is driving the 705, 706, 702, 80fx, reserve 900, r900.
Obviously, the amplifier prevents clipping, but much of that depends on how loud you listen to it.
I tried to pair them with a of the top-of-the-line (well, maybe a step or two down, but still very expensive) Yamaha Aventage amp, and they sounded OK in stereo mode, but trying to run full surround sound with make the amp involuntarily cut output or even shut off entirely. For context, I don't listen to music at very high volumes—even reference volume (85db) feels very loud to me. So it truly is a quirk of speaker design that made these old speakers kill amps. As I understand it, it's principally a result of crossover architecture.
Anyway, if in the exceedingly unlikely event you happen to have speakers like that and are tired of killing amps and receivers, this Monolith should solve your problem (assuming it has an adequate power supply).
(FWIW, I completely got out of passive speakers when I learned how good active designs have gotten. My main setup now is Kali studio monitors with room correction. They're way smaller, not power hogs, and sound better than anything I've tried before. And they're pretty cheap.)
The performance is degraded to some degree due to the amp not being able to provide the power(current) needed for high SPL dynamic peaks.
The heat generated could shorten the lifespan but I would not think of it as killing the amps.
If you drive to very high levels the amps can and will go into protect and shut down.
I have the LSIM in my two setups. I know your speakers. I have the five channel in my family room powering my 704, 703, and two xt90 n my rear. Is it as good at the monolith x, No. But it will be way better than what you have and that is probably enough. I have the 11x in my HT, but that is driving the 705, 706, 702, 80fx, reserve 900, r900.
Obviously, the amplifier prevents clipping, but much of that depends on how loud you listen to it.
Some do have limiters for clipping typically just 'pro' amps, most just go into protect by shutting down or greatly reducing the output level when the current draw is to high or the temperature is to high but by then you may already be in hard clipping.
There will be little improvement in dynamics. The amp does not produce more power except when the current draw is high. Then in those areas at maximum volume you get a couple db of extra output. Likely not meaningful in most cases & in the ones who do benefit just get an actual high power amp, not 90-135watts.
If you want and value 'dynamics' (especially when in larger spaces) include subwoofers, possibly larger speakers and amps with real high power output in the 250-600+watt channel range. Then you will likely never run into clipping and you maximize the 'dynamic' capability of almost any speaker since that more output that most can handle.
TBH XLRs are even way less of a benefit than power.
That's if it's even a true balanced signal, not all are.
The two prong power cord would probably be a bigger issue/concern.
You pointed to one reason, the run is usually very short.
Another is technically the XLR should extend from external amp to speakers, most don't.
They do this with subwoofers for a reason, it is also a "speaker" after all.
Personally I'd rather have those XLRs added on AVRs.
Just get some decent rated ones on Amazon like CableDirect, GEARit, monoprice is there also.
If you only need 2 channels, this is the unit you need and is $199 after the SHOP50 code:
https://www.monoprice.c
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Speak of reality, out of curiosity, at what point did you hear this limp mode kick in on the 505?
What were the parameters?
Im not sure I would call things like Atmos/DTS:X, Dirac, Auro 3d, virtual X, HDMI 2.1,etc "junk"!
I do agree on eternal amps though..... buy once, cry once.
Especially since good ones easily outperform internal power supplies!
Like you I'm using the 3800 as a pre pro, it offers all the tech current PAC units offer & then some!
Speak of reality, out of curiosity, at what point did you hear this limp mode kick in on the 505?
What were the parameters?
My buddy at the audio shop told me that a customer had traded the unit in because of the limp mode. He knew I had a bunch of high current amps in my system; so I would be immune to the problem.
It fixed the eARC problem of my old receiver
You can still use a 30 year old amp to it's fullest capabilities, but you sure are not going to use a 30 year old surround receiver.
You should try to hook it up and see if you can hear that limp mode issue.
I think you mean outdated rather than junk.
Keep in mind it's only junk/outdated if you don't use it or need it anymore.
The irony here is that we have the advancements of Atmos/X & 4k/HDR and many choose to stream & a soundbar!
Current commercial displays can't even take full advantage of 4k & we're talking 8K now!
I can tell you that "Atmos" is really only advantageous if done properly.
If it's not(most aren't) the legacy algorithms can be very comparable. Especially with streaming content!
As tech and formats change in AVR's, clean power never becomes outdated.
Buy one of these once, and a nice AVR/pre ever 7-10 years, and you're set for life!
I would say if you want actual "audio reality".
You should try to hook it up and see if you can hear that limp mode issue.
Either they don't accept Banana Jacks, or they are spaced incorrectly for plugging in the jack pair.
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FYI those internal amps continue to draw power while using pre outs, they do not turn off(ie preamp mode).
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