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Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-tip
February 1, 2013 at
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An Applebee's waitress who posted a receipt with a note from a pastor complaining about the automatic gratuity added to the bill on the Internet was fired on Wednesday after the pastor complained to her manager.
Chelsea Welch, the waitress, wrote in an email to Yahoo News that the pastor (who has since been identified as Alois Bell) told Welch's manager at the St. Louis-area Applebee's that the ensuing firestorm had "ruined" her reputation.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sides...20748.h
The female pastor has also has written a 28-page volume examines spiritual nourishment, complete with references to candy and junk food. The $10 paperback is titled "Watch the Hand that Feeds You." From her size, it appears she doesn't like to follows her own advice.
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Chelsea Welch, the waitress, wrote in an email to Yahoo News that the pastor (who has since been identified as Alois Bell) told Welch's manager at the St. Louis-area Applebee's that the ensuing firestorm had "ruined" her reputation.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sides...20748.h
The female pastor has also has written a 28-page volume examines spiritual nourishment, complete with references to candy and junk food. The $10 paperback is titled "Watch the Hand that Feeds You." From her size, it appears she doesn't like to follows her own advice.
....
http://www.thesmokingg
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Look at how friendly and attentive most waiters are.
Now go into a fast food joint, where the poor cashier is making a fixed minimum wage (maybe if she busts her ass, she'll get a 10 cent/hour raise next year).
I bet the fast food worker is less concerned about customer satisfaction.
And the other guy's point is valid too.. No way would cheapo corporations pay their employees nearly what they make in tips.
"She said, 'That's fine. If you don't want to pay the gratuity we have HPD outside,'" Marks said.
"I asked the police officer twice, maybe three times, is it against the law if we don't pay the gratuity and he never gave me a straight answer," she added.
The on-duty manager at the restaurant told Houston's local KPRC Local 2 that although they don't "have a problem with customers not giving a tip," they have called the police before.
The police showed up and eventually the family decided to pay the 17% tip, get out of the situation, and forget the whole thing.
There was a thread in the lounge a while back about someone who got a haircut at a place that was advertising like $15 haircuts or something like that, and the chick cutting his hair and his wife's hair added an automatic 25% gratuity and charged them like $40 for the two haircuts. When they refused to pay, the employee threatened to call mall security and the OP gave in and paid the outrageous mandatory tip to avoid confrontation. Anyone else remember that thread? I believe the OP later got in touch with the owner of the business and got the chick fired because the owner did not authorize that and the employee was basically skimming money off the top.
I remember it!
There was a thread in the lounge a while back about someone who got a haircut at a place that was advertising like $15 haircuts or something like that, and the chick cutting his hair and his wife's hair added an automatic 25% gratuity and charged them like $40 for the two haircuts. When they refused to pay, the employee threatened to call mall security and the OP gave in and paid the outrageous mandatory tip to avoid confrontation. Anyone else remember that thread? I believe the OP later got in touch with the owner of the business and got the chick fired because the owner did not authorize that and the employee was basically skimming money off the top.
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If I agree to pay someone to mow my lawn, to which he has to use up $5 in gas...when he is done he asks for $50 and that is a debt then? And I can't be arrested if I stiff him (make him sue me to get it).
However, if I go to a store, which sells gas directly, and take $5 worth of gas and refuse to pay, and give it to someone to mow my lawn with it...that is stealing.
So, in both situations I got use of $5 worth of gas and didn't pay for anything...but in only one situation did I steal it?
However, if I go to a store, which sells gas directly, and take $5 worth of gas and refuse to pay, and give it to someone to mow my lawn with it...that is stealing.
So, in both situations I got use of $5 worth of gas and didn't pay for anything...but in only one situation did I steal it?
Or to use your example, you verbally agree on a price of $8 to mow the lawn, and then he wants to charge you $50. You refuse to pay and he calls the police. What are they supposed to do about it? The answer is nothing, that's the job of the civil court system. Compared to the gas station, you had no contract, you had no authorization, you just straight up stole their property, which is a crime. Police get involved, the state presses charges, etc.
Also imagine if your cable/wireless company decides to add a bunch of bogus fees and stuff to your bill. You know the story, telecom companies do all kinds of scummy things in billing... Can they arrest you for failing to pay their bogus fees?
We did away with debtors prisons for a reason. They're immoral and illogical in the context of civil contracts.
I'm not a legal expert, but to me, there is a difference in the scenarios. Imagine if you could be arrested for debts. Suddenly all the deadbeat debt collectors that keep buying up bogus debt, invalid debt, paid debt, start getting people arrested.
Or to use your example, you verbally agree on a price of $8 to mow the lawn, and then he wants to charge you $50. You refuse to pay and he calls the police. What are they supposed to do about it? The answer is nothing, that's the job of the civil court system. Compared to the gas station, you had no contract, you had no authorization, you just straight up stole their property, which is a crime. Police get involved, the state presses charges, etc.
Also imagine if your cable/wireless company decides to add a bunch of bogus fees and stuff to your bill. You know the story, telecom companies do all kinds of scummy things in billing... Can they arrest you for failing to pay their bogus fees?
We did away with debtors prisons for a reason. They're immoral and illogical in the context of civil contracts.
If you don't pay your Mortgage...even though the price is CLEARLY marked and you signed a contract ahead of time for the EXACT amount you knew you were going to pay...you are not arrested when you go into foreclosure.
I do not see any difference at all between someone going into foreclosure and someone walking out on a bill at a restaurant.
Wait...Could you be arrested if you just walked out on a bill?
Lawnmower guy invests his time and his own property willfully into mowing your lawn and you not paying isn't theft. You're defaulting on the debt, so the police don't arrest you. You walk up and steal some gas from someone and that's theft, since they were not willing participants and have had their own property stolen from them.
Wait...Could you be arrested if you just walked out on a bill?
Of course, you can be arrested, the police have the guns after all, but boy I'd be on the phone so fast with the ACLU to hit them with a false imprisonment suit...
If they made defaulting on your loans illegal, people wouldn't get into the "dream house in which the monthly payment is 3x our monthly income" situation. I am sure the banks would still approve you for it, though
People would still default...it happens...but there would be a LOT more people trying to solve it on the front end (if your life is turned upside down, proactively contacting the bank) and a LOT more people buying houses they could comfortably afford.
The gas station willingly let you take the gas and put it into your car...maybe you messed up and put in too much. They willfully let you fill up your car...they even gave you instructions on the pump as to how to do it...you just didn't have any money on you.
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