Dirac Live Bass Control for Denon AVR-X3800H / AVC-X3800H (Digital License) Expired

Don't see. It on the site but any indication how long this runs for? Sounds like full bandwidth and multi sub bass control would be about $560 after the discount. Best of the best but dang still a bunch. Thinking it over. Anyone have any good videos on what exactly the bass control can offer besides the marketing material? Thanks

I'm in the same boat. I was going to pull the trigger because someone mentioned to me they have a 30 day return policy in case it doesn't perform according to it's desired effect (which makes sense), but I just checked their license agreement and it says to get a refund you "must not have used the Software," which makes no sense at all to me.

If you find evidence that they do give you a no hassle 30 day period to see if it improves your correction beyond what Audyssey MultiEQ X32 + the $20 Audyssey app can do, post the link here to let us know.

For me, if that company isn't willing to let you see if it's worth the money, it's a bad policy. It's not like they have to absorb return shipping costs or resell a discounted used product.

Dirac experts can chime in, but my limited research shows that if you only have 1 sub, especially a modest one that isn't doing a whole lot below 20Hz, regular full-bandwith Dirac is arguably enough. Yes I know even a regular 10 or 12" will technically play below 20 Hz. But you need some heavy subwoofers in a controlled room to be really pushing usable output at 10-15Hz.

Seems to me you could use bass control as a standalone if you only want it tuning your subs, or go with the live + the multi-sub license if you want it doing everything in a multi-sub system. I've always been happy with XT32 but want to give Dirac a try because there seems at least some agreement that is superior. I missed the BF deals on full-bandwith but though somewhere in the ~$250 - 300 range might be worth a shot.

But it seems I'm really looking at the $799 package to cover multi-sub systems. I'm not doing that. I'd rather wait until my next AVR upgrade to see how their market / built-in options pan out. Not saying it is not worth it for some users, but my .02 is that's a big spend that a very small % of users fit the niche for.

So Dirac offers a 14 day trial to try any of their packages out. However you cannot see those trial links via the link I sent you. If you use this link, you are able to see the 14-day trial link.

However, it lets you buy a trial for $0, but doesn't guarantee your 30% off for the paid subscription. You have to separately buy the bundle and use the discount code in a separate transaction (who knows how long this code will be active)

https://www.dirac.com/online-stor...ion-suite/

Dirac experts can chime in, but my limited research shows that if you only have 1 sub, especially a modest one that isn't doing a whole lot below 20Hz, regular full-bandwith Dirac is arguably enough. Yes I know even a regular 10 or 12" will technically play below 20 Hz. But you need some heavy subwoofers in a controlled room to be really pushing usable output at 10-15Hz.

Seems to me you could use bass control as a standalone if you only want it tuning your subs, or go with the live + the multi-sub license if you want it doing everything in a multi-sub system. I've always been happy with XT32 but want to give Dirac a try because there seems at least some agreement that is superior. I missed the BF deals on full-bandwith but though somewhere in the ~$250 - 300 range might be worth a shot. XT32 does handle 2 subs, but not to the complexity that the multi-sub Dirac bass control is described to.

I'm probably oversimplifying this but based on the descriptions, to me it seems:

For a no sub or 1 sub system - Dirac full bandwidth is arguably superior to XT32.

For a 2 sub system - XT32 is arguably superior to Dirac full bandwidth alone. Dirac FB + multi-sub bass control would be superior to XT32.

I'm really struggling with seeing the value of Dirac bass control for a single sub, except as a standalone product where you only want sub calibration. Maybe that's the point?

But for me, the $799 package to cover multi-sub systems... I'm not doing that. I'd rather wait until my next AVR upgrade to see how their market / built-in options pan out. Not saying it isn't worth it, but $800 is far too big of a gamble to me to try it. Maybe if the licenses were transferable at least once or twice maybe, but locked to one AVR? Nah.

It's my understanding from others on audiophile forums that Dirac full only performs correction on the full range outputs. It does nothing to the subwoofer outputs. That requires the DLBC add on.

Most people's room issues are in the low end range, so correcting your subwoofers is arguably the best thing you can do with respect to room correction. So there's the rub with Dirac. If you want "full" correction, you have to shell out a lot of dough to see how well it works for your ears.

You absolutely could be right. I'd be a lot more comfortable with it if someone with a Denon + live alone could chime in.

The stuff I read says regular live corrects what is running down to 20Hz, including a sub if it is in there. But multiple subs get treated as one. Which is the same thing lower tiers of Audessey do. I can't image the regular live license would ignore a sub completely. That's like 99.5% of people that buy these level of boxes.