Why would anyone buy this? For the price, you can get a Macbook Pro M3 with a nice docking station.
M3 Max/Ultra Mac Studios are expected in couple of months. M3 Max version from laptop almost beats M2 Ultra already so M2 Max should be a bargain very soon.
You can get 14" M3 Pro with 18GB of RAM for $1700. Also for power users.
I was responding to a post that said you could get an M3 MBP with a nice docking station for $1,800.
But that's beside the point. M2 Max 32GB UMA RAM is still way more computer than an M3 Pro with 18GB UMA RAM. Not everybody needs that. Apple Silicon is remarkable for many real world tasks and I can do fine with a Pro level chip and just 16GB of UMA RAM.
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Why would anyone buy this? For the price, you can get a Macbook Pro M3 with a nice docking station.
There's a lot more that goes into actual performance than just the CPU. RAM, Memory Bandwidth, Cooling all impact the real-time performance of a computer. The M2 Max has 2.5x more memory bandwidth (400 GB/s) than the M3 Pro (150 GB/s). The cooling on the Mac Studio is much better than any laptop. In other words, you can drive it harder without a performance fall-off. Because of the way that the Mac Studio cooling is designed, the fans rarely need to be driven hard because of all the heat dissipation. It has a lot of ports. It has more RAM for the price.
The M2 Max has more graphics/performance cores than the M3 Pro. On a desktop, you're not really concerned with efficiency as much as on a laptop. So, you end up with about the same in multi-threaded performance. The M3 pro is better by about 15% in single-threaded benchmarks.
If you don't understand what limits the real-time performance for your specific tasks, then you probably don't need top-of-the line single/multi-threaded benchmark CPU performance.
However, I wouldn't buy any of these computers at these prices. The base M2 Mac Studio should be discounted further when the M3 Mac Studio is announced.
The M1 Max Mac Studio currently goes for around $1100-$1200 Open Box. It's about 10% slower than the M2 Max Studio, with everything else being basically the same. When the M3 Studios are announced, you can probably get the base M1 Studio for $1000. The M1 Max Mac Studio is the best value for the price and has more than enough performance for the vast majority of its users.
There's a lot that goes into actual performance than the CPU. RAM, Memory Bandwidth, Cooling all impact the real-time performance of a computer. The M2 Max has 2.5x more memory bandwidth (400 GB/s) than the M3 Pro (150 GB/s). The cooling on the Mac Studio is much better than any laptop. In other words, you can drive it harder without a performance fall-off. Because of the way that the Mac Studio cooling is designed, the fans rarely need to be driven hard because of all the heat dissipation. It has a lot of ports. It has more RAM for the price.
The M2 Max has more graphics/performance cores than the M3 Pro. On a desktop, you're not really concerned with efficiency as much as on a laptop. So, you end up with about the same in multi-threaded performance. The M3 pro is better by about 15% in single-threaded benchmarks.
If you don't understand what limits the real-time performance for your specific tasks, then you probably don't need top-of-the line single/multi-threaded benchmark CPU performance.
However, I wouldn't buy any of these computers at these prices. The base M2 Mac Studio should will be discounted further when the M3 Mac Studio is announced.
The M1 Max Mac Studio currently goes for around $1100-$1200 Open Box. It's about 10% slower than the M2 Max Studio, with everything else being basically the same. When the M3 Studios are announced, you can probably get the base M1 Studio for $1000. The M1 Max Mac Studio is the best value for the price and has more than enough performance for the vast majority of its users.
Very good feedback. Where are you finding open box M1 studios for $1100?
Very good feedback. Where are you finding open box M1 studios for $1100?
Just a quick google search for current stuff: Best Buy is selling open box in 'good' condition for $1190 and fair condition at $1024. When Micro Center and B&H were trying to get rid of their current inventory of the base M1 Mac Studios (in preparation for the M2 studios), they discounted the new ones to around $1500. At that time, I had seen many that were either used-'like new' or "open box new" (basically a customer return) discounted to around $1200. Reebelo has some in excellent condition for $1180.
You can generally find "refurbished" base M1 Mac Studios for about $1100 on eBay from reputable eBay vendors. It's a little more risky than a brand-name retailer. From my understanding, the reputable eBay vendors typically buy products in bulk obtained from customer returns from other retailers that do not sell open-box or used computers to customers (i.e. Costco). They inspect them. If they're in very good/excellent condition, they'll do some minimal work like cleaning and say that they're "refurbished". Can save a few hundred bucks this way as opposed to buying the "certified apple refurbished". But, you'll most likely miss out on being able to purchase AppleCare if you go the non-apple certified route.
There's a lot more that goes into actual performance than just the CPU. RAM, Memory Bandwidth, Cooling all impact the real-time performance of a computer. The M2 Max has 2.5x more memory bandwidth (400 GB/s) than the M3 Pro (150 GB/s). The cooling on the Mac Studio is much better than any laptop. In other words, you can drive it harder without a performance fall-off. Because of the way that the Mac Studio cooling is designed, the fans rarely need to be driven hard because of all the heat dissipation. It has a lot of ports. It has more RAM for the price.
The M2 Max has more graphics/performance cores than the M3 Pro. On a desktop, you're not really concerned with efficiency as much as on a laptop. So, you end up with about the same in multi-threaded performance. The M3 pro is better by about 15% in single-threaded benchmarks.
If you don't understand what limits the real-time performance for your specific tasks, then you probably don't need top-of-the line single/multi-threaded benchmark CPU performance.
However, I wouldn't buy any of these computers at these prices. The base M2 Mac Studio should be discounted further when the M3 Mac Studio is announced.
The M1 Max Mac Studio currently goes for around $1100-$1200 Open Box. It's about 10% slower than the M2 Max Studio, with everything else being basically the same. When the M3 Studios are announced, you can probably get the base M1 Studio for $1000. The M1 Max Mac Studio is the best value for the price and has more than enough performance for the vast majority of its users.
Thanks for this detailed response. What's the latest info on a possible M3 studio announcement? I know the annual Apple event is coming up soon but I haven't seen much on this specific expectation.
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But that's beside the point. M2 Max 32GB UMA RAM is still way more computer than an M3 Pro with 18GB UMA RAM. Not everybody needs that. Apple Silicon is remarkable for many real world tasks and I can do fine with a Pro level chip and just 16GB of UMA RAM.
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The M2 Max has more graphics/performance cores than the M3 Pro. On a desktop, you're not really concerned with efficiency as much as on a laptop. So, you end up with about the same in multi-threaded performance. The M3 pro is better by about 15% in single-threaded benchmarks.
If you don't understand what limits the real-time performance for your specific tasks, then you probably don't need top-of-the line single/multi-threaded benchmark CPU performance.
However, I wouldn't buy any of these computers at these prices. The base M2 Mac Studio should be discounted further when the M3 Mac Studio is announced.
The M1 Max Mac Studio currently goes for around $1100-$1200 Open Box. It's about 10% slower than the M2 Max Studio, with everything else being basically the same. When the M3 Studios are announced, you can probably get the base M1 Studio for $1000. The M1 Max Mac Studio is the best value for the price and has more than enough performance for the vast majority of its users.
How can apple afford this?
The M2 Max has more graphics/performance cores than the M3 Pro. On a desktop, you're not really concerned with efficiency as much as on a laptop. So, you end up with about the same in multi-threaded performance. The M3 pro is better by about 15% in single-threaded benchmarks.
If you don't understand what limits the real-time performance for your specific tasks, then you probably don't need top-of-the line single/multi-threaded benchmark CPU performance.
However, I wouldn't buy any of these computers at these prices. The base M2 Mac Studio should will be discounted further when the M3 Mac Studio is announced.
The M1 Max Mac Studio currently goes for around $1100-$1200 Open Box. It's about 10% slower than the M2 Max Studio, with everything else being basically the same. When the M3 Studios are announced, you can probably get the base M1 Studio for $1000. The M1 Max Mac Studio is the best value for the price and has more than enough performance for the vast majority of its users.
You can generally find "refurbished" base M1 Mac Studios for about $1100 on eBay from reputable eBay vendors. It's a little more risky than a brand-name retailer. From my understanding, the reputable eBay vendors typically buy products in bulk obtained from customer returns from other retailers that do not sell open-box or used computers to customers (i.e. Costco). They inspect them. If they're in very good/excellent condition, they'll do some minimal work like cleaning and say that they're "refurbished". Can save a few hundred bucks this way as opposed to buying the "certified apple refurbished". But, you'll most likely miss out on being able to purchase AppleCare if you go the non-apple certified route.
The M2 Max has more graphics/performance cores than the M3 Pro. On a desktop, you're not really concerned with efficiency as much as on a laptop. So, you end up with about the same in multi-threaded performance. The M3 pro is better by about 15% in single-threaded benchmarks.
If you don't understand what limits the real-time performance for your specific tasks, then you probably don't need top-of-the line single/multi-threaded benchmark CPU performance.
However, I wouldn't buy any of these computers at these prices. The base M2 Mac Studio should be discounted further when the M3 Mac Studio is announced.
The M1 Max Mac Studio currently goes for around $1100-$1200 Open Box. It's about 10% slower than the M2 Max Studio, with everything else being basically the same. When the M3 Studios are announced, you can probably get the base M1 Studio for $1000. The M1 Max Mac Studio is the best value for the price and has more than enough performance for the vast majority of its users.
Thanks for this detailed response. What's the latest info on a possible M3 studio announcement? I know the annual Apple event is coming up soon but I haven't seen much on this specific expectation.