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You'll want to upgrade to 32gb ram, but the 16gb included is garbage so you won't be using it.
And 512 is WAY too small for a gaming SSD, so you'll be upgrading that, too
The price isn't a total ripoff, but I want people to be aware
You'll want to upgrade to 32gb ram, but the 16gb included is garbage so you won't be using it.
And 512 is WAY too small for a gaming SSD, so you'll be upgrading that, too
The price isn't a total ripoff, but I want people to be aware
Proprietary MB - yes, all name brand prebuilt use proprietary mobos.
Locked to 65W? No way, that would mean turbo boost can never kick in. The main complaint about some of these brand name mobos is the bios kicks in thermal throttling sooner (85 or 90 degrees) than the processor can theoretically handle, but that's not a bad thing, you don't want to be running it at its limit.
Proprietary PS - yes, just like other major brands, if you think the 460W high efficiency won't be enough (will be for most), you can upgrade to 750 or 1000 right on the customize page, $50 and $100 respectively.
16GB is plenty for many people, though should be considered a minimum. The included ram is not garbage, 4800MT is not a big step down from 5600 in the newer ones, and they use good stable brands. Is it the lowest latency or highly overclockable? No, but this is not a custom gaming PC or even an Alienware.
If you need more than 512G SSD, again, just select that on the customizations, or add in another one of your own (has a free slot).
This is not a PC for extreme overclocking (even if you pay extra for the K processor, OC options in BIOS are pretty limited, same for the graphics card), so most of your points are moot. If that's what people are looking for, don't be looking at any of the major brands.
Personally I think this price is high considering they've been trying to offload these for quite a while now, and the 14th gen are out, but it isn't a garbage PC either.
It was Covid time and parts were hard to come by
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Stock cooler works but you need to mod the case to install water cooler
Stock ssd is slow… in today standard
Sk Hynix 711
The case is small and it only came with one 80mm case fan
Upgraded fan to 92mm
Adding front case fan needed 3d printed part.
Not a bad out of the box deal….
But if you want to tinker later… or increase airflow.. it can be challenging
It was Covid time and parts were hard to come by
Slick deals Costco deal.
Stock cooler works but you need to mod the case to install water cooler
Stock ssd is slow… in today standard
Sk Hynix 711
The case is small and it only came with one 80mm case fan
Upgraded fan to 92mm
Adding front case fan needed 3d printed part.
Not a bad out of the box deal….
But if you want to tinker later… or increase airflow.. it can be challenging
I guess people need to realize if you want a highly customizable PC for intense gaming, a prebuilt major brand probaby isn't going to be it (some are close, like the Alienware line or the Lenovo Legion) but there will always be some limitations. Some of the smaller brands like MSI have much more flexibility, but those also aren't typically as stable or reliable. Obviously if you want the best of the best you either build it yourself or go to one of the specialty builders for thousands of dollars.
Even moderate users, probably makes sense to bump up to the liquid cooler. I mean they're dropping 20+ cores, many of which can sustain over 5ghz, on a single tiny chip, it needs more than just a big heatsink and fan if you plan to actually use it to its potential.
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I guess people need to realize if you want a highly customizable PC for intense gaming, a prebuilt major brand probaby isn't going to be it (some are close, like the Alienware line or the Lenovo Legion) but there will always be some limitations. Some of the smaller brands like MSI have much more flexibility, but those also aren't typically as stable or reliable. Obviously if you want the best of the best you either build it yourself or go to one of the specialty builders for thousands of dollars.
Even moderate users, probably makes sense to bump up to the liquid cooler. I mean they're dropping 20+ cores, many of which can sustain over 5ghz, on a single tiny chip, it needs more than just a big heatsink and fan if you plan to actually use it to its potential.
At least mine...
The rear fan hole is defualt fan of 80mm
And slot for 92mm fan slot. 120mm fan and radiator will not fit.
Also... The CPU cooler mount is fixed and solder from the rear case. You would need to completly take the MB off the case.... Dremel the knobs off, if you ( m6 female) want to user after market coolwe mount and ( which requires their own mounting system)
I had older Dell XPS.. From 10 yeara ago.. That one.. Was standard matx. I ended up gutting it out and put it in a NZXT case with Nvidia 1070TI, 600W PSU.... And Hyper 212 and it was fine....
But this new XPS.....
1. MB unique shape
2. No water cooler ( 92mm AIO is hard to come by)
3. Not many place to add fan...
4. Thst stubby CPU Fan mount limit aftermarket fan.
( There are some you can just replaced it.. I just orded mine.
5. Also dell is cheap and does not give you vram heatsink cooler. I got mine on ebay.
Just ran ssd speed test on my m.2 ssd 512gb it came with... Very slow even compare to gen3 nvme speed on my i5 7th gen.
The rear fan hole is defualt fan of 80mm
And slot for 92mm fan slot. 120mm fan and radiator will not fit.
Also... The CPU cooler mount is fixed and solder from the rear case. You would need to completly take the MB off the case.... Dremel the knobs off, if you ( m6 female) want to user after market coolwe mount and ( which requires their own mounting system)
I had older Dell XPS.. From 10 yeara ago.. That one.. Was standard matx. I ended up gutting it out and put it in a NZXT case with Nvidia 1070TI, 600W PSU.... And Hyper 212 and it was fine....
But this new XPS.....
1. MB unique shape
2. No water cooler ( 92mm AIO is hard to come by)
3. Not many place to add fan...
4. Thst stubby CPU Fan mount limit aftermarket fan.
( There are some you can just replaced it.. I just orded mine.
5. Also dell is cheap and does not give you vram heatsink cooler. I got mine on ebay.
Just ran ssd speed test on my m.2 ssd 512gb it came with... Very slow even compare to gen3 nvme speed on my i5 7th gen.
You're comparing performance of your several year old PC to modern standards, obviously the SSD is going to be slower, NVMe was still pretty new at that point and while faster than standard SATA drives, nowhere near what even the chepaer OEM ones can do now. No, the SKs were nothing great even then, but dell is looking for reliable and cost effective parts, not bleeding edge.
Unfortunately they've all gone very proprietary. First it was the motherboards, then the power supplies and optical drives, etc. Again for those looking to do a lot of customization and tweaking, these major brand prebuilt PCs aren't likely to be a good fit.
Dumb since processor allows 5600
You're comparing performance of your several year old PC to modern standards, obviously the SSD is going to be slower, NVMe was still pretty new at that point and while faster than standard SATA drives, nowhere near what even the chepaer OEM ones can do now. No, the SKs were nothing great even then, but dell is looking for reliable and cost effective parts, not bleeding edge.
Unfortunately they've all gone very proprietary. First it was the motherboards, then the power supplies and optical drives, etc. Again for those looking to do a lot of customization and tweaking, these major brand prebuilt PCs aren't likely to be a good fit.
If you gonna buy this get the AIO from dell
Dumb since processor allows 5600
If you get 5600 ram there are reports it will run at full speed with the latest bios in the 13th gen ones (like this one), but it seems to vary with brand/specs of the RAM, XMP support, the number and size of modules (harder to get 4 to run at full speed than 2). The only surefire way to get 5600 is to order the 14th gen one and use the RAM that comes with it. Seems people have good luck with Crucial running at 5600 in many of the 13th gen machines that originally came with 4800/4400/4200 so that's another option.
I should be more clear.
If you going to get this Dell XPS 8960, Please spend extra $50 and get the water cooler ( Also Known as AIO water cooler)
I have Dell XPS 8940... which is not taht far away...
This dell PC has M3 screw hole from the chase taking the spot of the CPU cooler. to install other coolers... you either have to
1. get the cooler that fit that hole as it is....
2. you need to completely disassemble it and mod the case...
I know because I just went through with this bullcrap with my 8940
Here are people talking about 8960
the stock cooler is so small.
Dell C253W - buy this Dell's taller cooler from ebay and stick it on...
https://www.dell.com/community/en...542541c562
or Vetroo V5 cooler
Fixed M3 female thread.... is the problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e...sTe