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Product DescriptionMSI GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM LIQUID X - graphics card - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 - 24 GB
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Dpippin
04-13-2024 at 08:09 PM.
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I just got a 4080 Super and it really heats up the room quickly. Would water cooled put off less heat?
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04-13-2024 at 08:50 PM.
04-13-2024 at 08:50 PM.
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It's not so much about recommended hardware requirements as the ability to push the fidelity higher than you could otherwise.

All of the games you listed have recommendations for hardware relative to the time they came out, but none of those recommendations are for the highest possible graphics settings the game offers.

It's also important to note that ever since the consoles switched to x86 processors, the ability to port games as natively as possible has been a priority.

Advancements in graphical quality have somewhat been hindered by the fact that 4+ year old hardware is still the baseline for developers.
A Corvette can do 195 mph but on most roads it won't matter. Most games aren't even developed with 8 core cpus in mind. Hardware is ahead of software in most cases. Windows is still Windows, Steam is still Steam and Bethesda is still Bethesda. Games are released without even being refined and its takes another year to get them straight.
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duenor
04-13-2024 at 09:08 PM.
04-13-2024 at 09:08 PM.
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What happens when the AIO fail?

It leaks?



What are your other two expensive hobbies?

I can spend $2k on a GPU, but I choose not too. If I had to spend $2k, I'd donate it to a good cause personally. Therefore, I'm sitting on a 3070 I bought a while back and so far so good.
my most expensive hobby are aged 5 and 7. $2000 a month just for child care. these dudes who are like, oh man, dating is so expensive... lol you haven't seen nothing yet
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wherestheanykey
04-13-2024 at 09:13 PM.
04-13-2024 at 09:13 PM.
Quote from hardypotion :
A Corvette can do 195 mph but on most roads it won't matter. Most games aren't even developed with 8 core cpus in mind. Hardware is ahead of software in most cases. Windows is still Windows, Steam is still Steam and Bethesda is still Bethesda. Games are released without even being refined and its takes another year to get them straight.

What does graphical fidelity have to do with multithreading?

Single threaded games still need to be rendered.

Your analogy is also flawed in that you might not be able to do 195 on surface streets, but you can super scale nearly every game in existence to 8K without worrying about getting pulled over.
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wherestheanykey
04-13-2024 at 09:17 PM.
04-13-2024 at 09:17 PM.
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I just got a 4080 Super and it really heats up the room quickly. Would water cooled put off less heat?

No. Basic laws of thermodynamics make that impossible.

The heat just gets dissipated through the radiator instead of the heatsink on the card.

If you want a cooler room, you either need cold air coming in or a way to exhaust the heat coming from the system elsewhere.
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gamingdroid
04-13-2024 at 09:25 PM.
04-13-2024 at 09:25 PM.
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Motorcycles and shooting. I donate money to charity, but it seems extremely weird that you would say something like that. I'm not over here sitting on a pile of hoarded gold like Smaug or something.

3070 is fine for 1080p/1440p stuff, for the most part. I have a 4k120 monitor and want to play everything on max settings. If I didn't want to do this I'd still be on a console. I'm also in IT and work from home a lot so I'm in front of my PC a lot, so I want it to be as nice as possible.

And as the other guy said, it still barely squeaks into framerates that don't cause nausea in some VR games.

Also if the AIO fails you either haven't refilled it (AIOs still need refills), or the pump failed. You can replace it yourself with OEM or aftermarket stuff.
I got a Quest 3 and I use it with my 3070. I used to have the first Oculus Rift and used it on my 1070.

To answer your question about the donation, it's because people often flex as if they can afford to spend on an expensive GPU. Many people can to, but we don't. Which enables us to do so. Everybody wants better graphics and frame rate, but it's wasteful when you think of it in terms of how you can help others. I try to keep my hobbies within reason financially.

If I'm well enough to spend money on ridiculous things, I'd rather invest it or help people. You're on slickdeals, where we try to be frugal and get deals.
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gamingdroid
04-13-2024 at 09:27 PM.
04-13-2024 at 09:27 PM.
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my most expensive hobby are aged 5 and 7. $2000 a month just for child care. these dudes who are like, oh man, dating is so expensive... lol you haven't seen nothing yet
I'm very well aware. My brother has two little ones too, and childcare is very expensive, let alone all the other things. College is going to be "cheap", and when they graduate with debt, and can't afford anything, they'll be living with you too.

Kids are expensive, but frankly speaking that's the way it should be. Having kids shouldn't be others burden (not saying yours are, just in general). I therefore choose not to have kids.
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gamingdroid
04-13-2024 at 09:31 PM.
04-13-2024 at 09:31 PM.
Quote from wherestheanykey :
It's not so much about recommended hardware requirements as the ability to push the fidelity higher than you could otherwise.

All of the games you listed have recommendations for hardware relative to the time they came out, but none of those recommendations are for the highest possible graphics settings the game offers.

It's also important to note that ever since the consoles switched to x86 processors, the ability to port games as natively as possible has been a priority.

Advancements in graphical quality have somewhat been hindered by the fact that 4+ year old hardware is still the baseline for developers.
Frankly, I don't think it would have mattered if the baseline for hardware was the latest and greatest. It's not like it significantly opens up new game mechanics or anything. Most games today, doesn't even seem to really take advantage of the latest consoles.

In other words, more processing power just really means slightly better fidelity or higher frame rates i.e. diminishing returns. The only exception here is really VR, but Quest is the only viable platform. It also uses a mobile chip, and PCVR market is practically dead.
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duenor
04-13-2024 at 09:45 PM.
04-13-2024 at 09:45 PM.
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I'm very well aware. My brother has two little ones too, and childcare is very expensive, let alone all the other things. College is going to be "cheap", and when they graduate with debt, and can't afford anything, they'll be living with you too.

Kids are expensive, but frankly speaking that's the way it should be. Having kids shouldn't be others burden (not saying yours are, just in general). I therefore choose not to have kids.
I love the kids I have, but I would not feel terrible and empty if I never had them. The world has far too many of us, and we would never have more than two since the replacement rate is 2.1 .

Before kids, my most expensive hobby was firearms. I still have a very extensive collection but now they are all safe queens with the exception of one or two. my father in law basically helps himself to my ammo and guns, and I'm fine with it. the old man is delighted, the MIL is happy he's not blowing their limited income on dumb things, and I'm fine with dialing down my own fun experiences.

Compared to both, the 4090 at $1700 is really a bargain, especially since it will probably be the bee's knees for at least 2 more years. consider that the gtx 1080 is STILL quite a capable gaming card, nearly 8 years later - it's probably equivalent to about a RX6600. AIO means that you can run the entire system on intake to outake, no need to mix hot and cold air in the case. suck in from top and front, blow out hard in the back.

If this was available when I got my 4080S I would have definitely bought this instead.
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04-13-2024 at 10:23 PM.
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04-13-2024 at 11:05 PM.
04-13-2024 at 11:05 PM.
Quote from gamingdroid :
I got a Quest 3 and I use it with my 3070. I used to have the first Oculus Rift and used it on my 1070.

To answer your question about the donation, it's because people often flex as if they can afford to spend on an expensive GPU. Many people can to, but we don't. Which enables us to do so. Everybody wants better graphics and frame rate, but it's wasteful when you think of it in terms of how you can help others. I try to keep my hobbies within reason financially.

If I'm well enough to spend money on ridiculous things, I'd rather invest it or help people. You're on slickdeals, where we try to be frugal and get deals.
Quest 3 with a 3070 is an extremely mediocre VR experience. My yearly budget for hobbies is between 10 and 15k. I'm middle aged and have no kids, and a decent job. I own a home and all my vehicles. This weird fixation on acting better than people who spend more on hobbies is extremely weird. My PC gaming hobby is a very reasonable part of my budget. Working a full time job and spending less than 10% of your income on enjoying the things you like to do in life seems extremely depressing.
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04-14-2024 at 05:29 AM.
04-14-2024 at 05:29 AM.
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uhhhhhhhhhh. It's um, it's $1709. That's seventeen hundred and nine dollars. One thousand, seven hundred and nine.

That's like taking a hundred bucks, lighting it on fire 17 times, then rolling a fatty with the 9 bucks leftover.

"Great price" said nobody serious ever about a $1709 graphics card. Best of all, those same folks will proceed to plug it into a 1080p monitor.
No not at all. After your fatty run of 17 I still have my 4090 in my 14900k system connected to my LG 38" ultragear monitor.

It is a good deal considering the people paying way over MSRP for the 30 series. The 3090ti was a joke at $2000 and the 4090 stomps it.

Spend your money how you like.
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jshowg1217
04-14-2024 at 08:30 AM.
04-14-2024 at 08:30 AM.
Quote from gamingdroid :
What happens when the AIO fail?

It leaks?



What are your other two expensive hobbies?

I can spend $2k on a GPU, but I choose not too. If I had to spend $2k, I'd donate it to a good cause personally. Therefore, I'm sitting on a 3070 I bought a while back and so far so good.

What a smug comment. On top of that, I doubt you've ever donated $2k to any charity ever. Typical internet hypocrite.

People are allowed to spend the money they worked hard for on anything they want. Simple as that. There's plenty of forums on Reddit for your self righteous nonsense. This isn't the place.
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hardypotion
04-14-2024 at 10:58 AM.
04-14-2024 at 10:58 AM.
Quote from wherestheanykey :
What does graphical fidelity have to do with multithreading?

Single threaded games still need to be rendered.

Your analogy is also flawed in that you might not be able to do 195 on surface streets, but you can super scale nearly every game in existence to 8K without worrying about getting pulled over.
Steam stats show the VAST majority of gamers do not have "elite" hardware and that's the crowd games are developed for.
Savvy people understand that stuff like 4K gaming, HairWorks, Ray Tracing etc are overrated gimmicks so far - maybe in 2028
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gamingdroid
04-14-2024 at 11:28 AM.
04-14-2024 at 11:28 AM.
Quote from xaronax :
Quest 3 with a 3070 is an extremely mediocre VR experience. My yearly budget for hobbies is between 10 and 15k. I'm middle aged and have no kids, and a decent job. I own a home and all my vehicles. This weird fixation on acting better than people who spend more on hobbies is extremely weird. My PC gaming hobby is a very reasonable part of my budget. Working a full time job and spending less than 10% of your income on enjoying the things you like to do in life seems extremely depressing.
It's only mediocre compared to a 4080/4090. It's not like PCVR games has really advanced much. The latest and greatest still is Half Life: Alyx, an almost 4-year old game.

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I love the kids I have, but I would not feel terrible and empty if I never had them. The world has far too many of us, and we would never have more than two since the replacement rate is 2.1 .

Before kids, my most expensive hobby was firearms. I still have a very extensive collection but now they are all safe queens with the exception of one or two. my father in law basically helps himself to my ammo and guns, and I'm fine with it. the old man is delighted, the MIL is happy he's not blowing their limited income on dumb things, and I'm fine with dialing down my own fun experiences.

Compared to both, the 4090 at $1700 is really a bargain, especially since it will probably be the bee's knees for at least 2 more years. consider that the gtx 1080 is STILL quite a capable gaming card, nearly 8 years later - it's probably equivalent to about a RX6600. AIO means that you can run the entire system on intake to outake, no need to mix hot and cold air in the case. suck in from top and front, blow out hard in the back.

If this was available when I got my 4080S I would have definitely bought this instead.
TBF Nvidia has managed to convince you it's a bargain, because they've consistently raised prices. So when you do a relative comparison in the same "class" it's going to look like a bargain in your mind. It's a good deal, because something else was terribly priced. Be careful of mental accounting.

Anyhow, I'm glad the old man is happy and the MIL as well.

In terms of kids, I don't have any so I can't say if I would miss them. I do know that, when my brother had kids, we lived together and I enjoyed limited contact with them. I do miss some time with them. That said, like you said, I could always adopt. The kids doesn't need to be "my genetic material". It's more about how you raise them, spend time with them and provide them the tools for success in life.

On the flip side, I have a dog. He cost me quite a bit of money. He's 4-years old and I've had him since puppy. He's a lot of trouble, but I can't seem my life without him anymore.

Happy Gaming!

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What a smug comment. On top of that, I doubt you've ever donated $2k to any charity ever. Typical internet hypocrite.

People are allowed to spend the money they worked hard for on anything they want. Simple as that. There's plenty of forums on Reddit for your self righteous nonsense. This isn't the place.
Sorry, not sorry, you're so upset at my comment. It's my opinion, just like yours. You too are free to do as you please and go to reddit and complain.
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