White House to halt deportation of young illegal immigrants

Quote from OhNoItsDEVO : You didn't answer my question with that block of text. The bolded pets certainly doesn't answer it. Your silly slogans don't answer it. Take another stab at it?

Not sure why the bolded parts didn't answer your question. You asked how open immigration would provide economic benefits to our country. The block of text answered that question.

Did I misunderstand your question?

Quote from kharvel : Not sure why the bolded parts didn't answer your question. You asked how open immigration would provide economic benefits to our country. The block of text answered that question. Did I misunderstand your question?

Ok then...how would the bolded part benifit our country?

Surely you don't actually believe that arrangement to be beneficial?

Quote from OhNoItsDEVO : Ok then...how would the bolded part benifit our country? Surely you don't actually believe that arrangement to be beneficial?

I read the bolded parts and I was always under the impression it worked in the exact opposite fashion. Illegal immigrants typically work. They typically work low paying, such as farm jobs where others will not work for the wages offered. By giving them the legal ability to work they now compete for say... union jobs.

Does he really think by giving them the legal ability to work they will finally be able to fulfill their life long dream of serving fast food or greeting people at WalMart?

Obama's internal polling data must not be looking good.

Quote from OhNoItsDEVO : How. Explain to me how this will provide economic benifits to the country. Your slogans are annoying. What good will this do for our country?

I am not necessarly that excited about this. But why be surprised that Obama will play politics when the day after he got elected the leaders of the opposing party declared they will do anything (read: they will do nothing else) to make sure he is a one term preident. Meanwhile they say they will take obama's word (wink, wink) that he is American and Christian.

I see this Hispanic thing as a rope for the GOP. Obama will give them as much as they need. And the more Obama kicks them in the ass the louder they will bark and Hispanics will become even more alienated from and pissed off with the GOP. This will bite hem in the ass for years to come.

Too bad when they are in a ditch, they do not have the sense to stop digging. Hey maybe they will eventually reach get the other side of the world and get out of the ditch.

Dig baby dig !

Quote from DJPlayer : I read the bolded parts and I was always under the impression it worked in the exact opposite fashion. Illegal immigrants typically work. They typically work low paying, such as farm jobs where others will not work for the wages offered. By giving them the legal ability to work they now compete for say... union jobs.

What an amazing statement! It is now established: Haters want illegals here as long as they do what others are not willing to do for lower pay. But God forbid if someone suggest we should treat our fellow human beings with dignity and fairness.

What a courageous display of honesty. Much appreciated.

Kharvel, the only problems with those theories, is that businesses will still need people with good jobs and money in order to buy their products!

Illegal immigration drives down wages and forces the current workers out of work *right now*. The prices, we can expect, will drop, but that is faaarrrrr down the road.

Between illegal immigration, and outsourcing and moving production overseas, US workers are f*cked! But, hey, at least we have cheap crap in the stores, but now we cant even afford that!!

Quote from TRNT : What an amazing statement! It is now established: Haters want illegals here as long as they do what others are not willing to do for lower pay. But God forbid if someone suggest we should treat our fellow human beings with dignity and fairness. What a courageous display of honesty. Much appreciated.

actually I was citing how the economy works and general opinion. It's no secret that farmers have argued for illegal aliens because they need cheap labor. Now if you want MY opinion. I think illegal aliens should be imprisoned hauled and thrown back to their country of origin at their own cost. Why? b/c what they are doing is illegal, bottom line. We once said "illegal alien" but that wasn't PC, because it offended people by naming a group as "illegal" so not it's undocumented. You break the law you pay the price..

As per companies organizations that employ illegal aliens.. we've come down hard of them and this was cheered for I believe on both sides.. I would think the laws should just as harsh on both sides, company and individual.

I would think twice about this work visa because I can see this whole "executive order" unraveling and being nullified. Then we have documentation on where some illegals reside and the original law would require them to be deported.

What if Romney wins the presidency and gives an executive order that contradicts Obama's? I mean basically we're essentially changing laws here because it's the right thing to do.. What if Romney runs on a campaign to put out an executive order there will be universal healthcare? Or change the abortion timeline, hell even make it illegal. Apparently we now live in country run by monarchy, so why not?

Quote from DJPlayer : actually I was citing how the economy works and general opinion. It's no secret that farmers have argued for illegal aliens because they need cheap labor. Now if you want MY opinion. I think illegal aliens should be imprisoned hauled and thrown back to their country of origin at their own cost. Why? b/c what they are doing is illegal, bottom line. We once said "illegal alien" but that wasn't PC, because it offended people by naming a group as "illegal" so not it's undocumented. You break the law you pay the price.. As per companies organizations that employ illegal aliens.. we've come down hard of them and this was cheered for I believe on both sides.. I would think the laws should just as harsh on both sides, company and individual. I would think twice about this work visa because I can see this whole "executive order" unraveling and being nullified. Then we have documentation on where some illegals reside and the original law would require them to be deported. What if Romney wins the presidency and gives an executive order that contradicts Obama's? I mean basically we're essentially changing laws here because it's the right thing to do.. What if Romney runs on a campaign to put out an executive order there will be universal healthcare? Or change the abortion timeline, hell even make it illegal. Apparently we now live in country run by monarchy, so why not?

I did not make my "hater" reference thinking of you. Oh well.

You can "round up" all undocumented workers, and imprison and deport them at their own expenses. I guess that would be "legal." Many atrocities has happened under the color of law. When blacks were slaves, it was the law that counted them 3/5. I bet many things that hitler did to Jews were "legal" too. Just because something it legal, it is not necessarily moral.

Deporting people who have been here almost their entire lives and now have lives and families established here is immoral. Yanking little kids out of schools and sending them to detention while waiting for deportation is immoral.

Etc etc etc.

Carry on.

Quote from kharvel : Think of this "amnesty" as applying the "my grandparents came to the U.S. the legal way" standard to these folks. So it will just help our country and the economy in the long run.

Right, legalizing tens of millions of people who have no skills, an average IQ of 90 or so, and have a 50% illegitimacy rate will help this country in the long run for sure.

Quote from MISHNAH : Kharvel, the only problems with those theories, is that businesses will still need people with good jobs and money in order to buy their products! Illegal immigration drives down wages and forces the current workers out of work *right now*. The prices, we can expect, will drop, but that is faaarrrrr down the road. Between illegal immigration, and outsourcing and moving production overseas, US workers are f*cked! But, hey, at least we have cheap crap in the stores, but now we cant even afford that!!

If you'll remember previous threads, kharv's motives seem to have less to do with economic issues, and more to do with increasing the population of his preferred color of people.

Quote from TRNT : I did not make my "hater" reference thinking of you. Oh well. You can "round up" all undocumented workers, and imprison and deport them at their own expenses. I guess that would be "legal." Many atrocities has happened under the color of law. When blacks were slaves, it was the law that counted them 3/5. I bet many things that hitler did to Jews were "legal" too. Just because something it legal, it is not necessarily moral. Deporting people who have been here almost their entire lives and now have lives and families established here is immoral. Yanking little kids out of schools and sending them to detention while waiting for deportation is immoral. Etc etc etc. Carry on.

fine fine.. I'll see your point which does make sense. But at the same point let's say someone kills someone at 18. He goes on with his life never hears a word about it, has a kid, family, buys a house, has a decent job etc.. Should we not prosecute him because we don't want to uproot him from his wife and children? Putting him in prison won't rectify what has already happened.. so why prosecute him?

Quote from TRNT : I am not necessarly that excited about this. But why be surprised that Obama will play politics when the day after he got elected the leaders of the opposing party declared they will do anything (read: they will do nothing else) to make sure he is a one term preident. Meanwhile they say they will take obama's word (wink, wink) that he is American and Christian. I see this Hispanic thing as a rope for the GOP. Obama will give them as much as they need. And the more Obama kicks them in the ass the louder they will bark and Hispanics will become even more alienated from and pissed off with the GOP. This will bite hem in the ass for years to come. Too bad when they are in a ditch, they do not have the sense to stop digging. Hey maybe they will eventually reach get the other side of the world and get out of the ditch. Dig baby dig !

Of course it's not surprising he would pander. He's a politician.

Quote from TRNT : I did not make my "hater" reference thinking of you. Oh well. You can "round up" all undocumented workers, and imprison and deport them at their own expenses. I guess that would be "legal." Many atrocities has happened under the color of law. When blacks were slaves, it was the law that counted them 3/5. I bet many things that hitler did to Jews were "legal" too. Just because something it legal, it is not necessarily moral. Deporting people who have been here almost their entire lives and now have lives and families established here is immoral. Yanking little kids out of schools and sending them to detention while waiting for deportation is immoral. Etc etc etc. Carry on.

See its when people On the left say shit like this....
The whole discussion of what to do with these law breakers goes out the window.

Comparing illegals to victims of slavery and the holocaust, does nothing for your argument.
You should know better....

Here's a better comparison;
Let's say you have a house on the market for sell, and a couple of squatters take up residence. Let's say it's a family of squatters.
Do you just allow them to stay? Just tell them, I know you broke the law by taking over this house I own and am trying to sell, but here you go, take the keys.
Youve been living here a few months now, so you deserve the house. Its yours now.
Sure it will put me out a couple hundred thousand dollars, but that's cool.

Or perhaps the goverment comes to you and says, you know that house you have for sell, well we are giving it to this family who has been living in it illegally. You can't expect them to leave now! They've already made it their home...

How would you feel about your home, your property in that situation?