White House to halt deportation of young illegal immigrants

Quote from DJPlayer : did anyone catch the video of Obama being heckled during the announcement? I believe the first question was "What about the economy". Which was later followed by "What about the economy".. which was followed later by "why do you favor foreigners over American workers?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW...re=related How long did this decision and process take. since I was I told recently his main focus was on fixing the economy?? Which last I checked, continues to get worse month over month for the past 3 months.

And then Obama ran out of there like a scared school girl without answering any questions. Lulz.

Quote from 124nic8 : But the laissez faire market does not provide that and never will.

It certainly does. What makes you think it doesn't?

Quote : Without regulation, markets always devolve into crony/corrupted capitalism.

I never said I was against regulation. As long as regulations prevent cronyism/corruption that free market forces are otherwise unable to prevent on their own, then they are useful.

Quote : Not laissez faire capitalism. And only in the very long term.

It certain lifts all boats and does so in short term in some cases and medium term in most cases.

Without laissez faire capitalism, the Asian economies wouldn't be where they are today.

Quote : Sure we've benefitted from children being whipped in the capitalists' factories in the 1800s, but they didn't benefit very much.

I would like to make a modest proposal. Let's put all the starving dirty and smelly people in developing countries toiling in fields for less than $2 per day into dirty and smelly factories that earns them $6 per day with some whipping involved. Will you be outraged at this proposal?

Quote : No, it harms many hard working productive people for the benefit of the few wealthy owners.

I'm not sure how earning more money and improving their standard of living is "harmful" to the hard working and productive people. Care to explain?

Quote from kharvel : It certainly does. What makes you think it doesn't?

Because absent government intervention, the sons and daughters of the wealthy will always have enormous advantages, including inherited wealth.

Quote : I never said I was against regulation. As long as regulations prevent cronyism/corruption that free market forces are otherwise unable to prevent on their own, then they are useful.

OK

Quote : It certain lifts all boats and does so in short term in some cases and medium term in most cases.

It may "lift all boats" but the wealthy are in a lock going to the next level while the middle class worker is rowing uphill.

Quote : Without laissez faire capitalism, the Asian economies wouldn't be where they are today.

Yes, slave labor is advantageous to the owner.

Quote : I would like to make a modest proposal. Let's put all the starving dirty and smelly people in developing countries toiling in fields for less than $2 per day into dirty and smelly factories that earns them $6 per day with some whipping involved. Will you be outraged at this proposal?

I will because the result is those with few skills here will have to compete directly with them without the option of moving back to/only supporting a family in a low cost of living area.

Quote : I'm not sure how earning more money and improving their standard of living is "harmful" to the hard working and productive people. Care to explain?

There is a high cost to working long hours in a dangerous work environment.

If you think US workers have "earned more money" over the last 10 years, you need to wake up. [wikipedia.org]

Quote : median earnings of male wage earners have remained stagnant since the late 1970s

Quote from 124nic8 : It may "lift all boats" but the wealthy are in a lock going to the next level while the middle class worker is rowing uphill.

And? Perhaps it is because the wealthy put the effort in beforehand and are now reaping the benefits of their hard work and the middle class guy needs to put the work in (what you called rowing uphill).

Quote from andyfico : And? Perhaps it is because the wealthy put the effort in beforehand and are now reaping the benefits of their hard work and the middle class guy needs to put the work in (what you called rowing uphill).

For the cases in which that is true, I applaud the self-made man.

However, that is seldom the case. Do you know how Bill Gates became a multi-billionaire?

A major reason was that he knew people who knew people who gave him opportunities.

A key person he knew was his mother. I'll bet your mother did not know the CEO of IBM.

Quote from DJPlayer : did anyone catch the video of Obama being heckled during the announcement? I believe the first question was "What about the economy". Which was later followed by "What about the economy".. which was followed later by "why do you favor foreigners over American workers?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW...re=related How long did this decision and process take. since I was I told recently his main focus was on fixing the economy?? Which last I checked, continues to get worse month over month for the past 3 months.

I love how one of the PMSNBC contributors spouted off about how this heckling was due to racism and how it it were a white president, this NEVER would have happened. I swear if a black guy with no arms walked onto the New England Patriots' field and tried out for Quarterback and was turned down, some liberals would swear it was because he was black! That's all some liberals see is race. Isn't that a sign of racism when you only see things in terms of race?

Quote from 124nic8 : For the cases in which that is true, I applaud the self-made man. However, that is seldom the case. Do you know how Bill Gates became a multi-billionaire? A major reason was that he knew people who knew people who gave him opportunities. A key person he knew was his mother. I'll bet your mother did not know the CEO of IBM.

and what of Bill Gates' other 2 siblings? If these ties to the rich and famous are so strong they must own multi billion dollar companies also.. right?

Quote : Gates graduated from Lakeside School in 1973. He scored 1590 out of 1600 on the SAT[26] and enrolled at Harvard College in the autumn of 1973.[27] In his sophomore year, Gates devised an algorithm for pancake sorting as a solution to one of a series of unsolved problems[28] presented in a combinatorics class by Harry Lewis, one of his professors. Gates's solution held the record as the fastest version for over thirty years;[28][29] its successor is faster by only one percent.[28] His solution was later formalized in a published paper in collaboration with Harvard computer scientist Christos Papadimitriou.[30]

or maybe he was just a freaking computer genius.. hmm.... did IBM help him out w/ his SAT's? Or maybe create one of the fastest algorithm for one of CS unsolved problems?

So funny how the "Obama is a Socialist" knuckle-draggers now have a problem with Obama's CAPITALIST driven order.

Quote from 403forbidden : So funny how the "Obama is a Socialist" knuckle-draggers now have a problem with Obama's CAPITALIST driven order.

Yeah, letting hordes of borderline retarded "immigrants" stay is a capitalist order. Yes indeed.

for every illegal HS valedictorian, there are 100 low IQ, low skill illegals who will always rely on the taxpayer for support.

Quote from 124nic8 : Because absent government intervention, the sons and daughters of the wealthy will always have enormous advantages, including inherited wealth.

Again, I have no problem with government intervention to help underprivileged kids compete on a more level playing field with their rich counterparts. For example, I would like the government to impose a 10% national sales tax on all private school and private college tuition and use the proceeds from that tax to subsidize the college education of underprivileged kids.

Quote : It may "lift all boats" but the wealthy are in a lock going to the next level while the middle class worker is rowing uphill.

Irrelevant. If all boats are being lifted, it doesn't matter who is being lifted more and who is being lifted less. Everyone is being lifted. Everyone is getting a higher standard of living.

But I do see your point. You want more of the benefits of capitalism to be enjoyed by the less privileged. For that, the playing field has to be more level. Government intervention to make the playing field more level is warranted. But that should be the extent of government intervention.

Quote : Yes, slave labor is advantageous to the owner.

Why the focus on the owner? Why are you ignoring the poor who have benefited from the "slave labor"? Do you hate the poor? Do you wish the poor to continue to live hand-to-mouth on $2 per day in fields instead of having them work in slave labor jobs paying much more?

Quote : I will because the result is those with few skills here will have to compete directly with them without the option of moving back to/only supporting a family in a low cost of living area.

So in other words, you HATE the poor and you WANT the poor to continue to live hand-to-mouth existence on $2 per day so that the less poor may continue to enjoy the benefits of their less poor existence.

Quote : There is a high cost to working long hours in a dangerous work environment.

If there is such a high cost, why are the destitute in India, China, and other developing countries DEMANDING and RIOTING to have the right to work in those dangerous work environments?

Quote : If you think US workers have "earned more money" over the last 10 years, you need to wake up. [wikipedia.org]

You mean the uneducated and unskilled workers? They are free to obtain a higher education or move to countries where uneducated and unskilled workers are in demand.

Quote from The2AMBearArms : Yeah, letting hordes of borderline retarded "immigrants" stay is a capitalist order. Yes indeed. for every illegal HS valedictorian, there are 100 low IQ, low skill illegals who will always rely on the taxpayer for support.

Nothing you said diminishes the CAPITALIST underpinnings of OBAMA's order.

First, an increase in workforce supply drives down wages, which in-turn increases profit. Second, that "tax payer" support you so easily dismiss actually helps businesses such as WALMART, COSTCO, and every other business that accepts food stamps.

Quote from 403forbidden : Nothing you said diminishes the CAPITALIST underpinnings of OBAMA's order. First, an increase in workforce supply drives down wages, which in-turn increases profit. Second, that "tax payer" support you so easily dismiss actually helps businesses such as WALMART, COSTCO, and every other business that accepts food stamps.

ROTFL. Yeah, okay.

Quote from The2AMBearArms : ROTFL. Yeah, okay.

He's right. I just doubt most Americans really have any interest in boosting profit margins for megabusinesses like WalMart, especially since, presumably, this idea results in increased profit margins by diminishing the expense for products for the retail business, not for the consumer. Trouble comes when changes like this do result in better prices for consumers. Being able to buy a 24" computer monitor for $50 is great and all until you're booted from your job at Samsung because someone else will do it for $6 an hour. All the sudden you and your $50 monitor can't afford cat food or mortgage payments.

I'd still like an answer to this basic question.. what if Romney won the presidency and put out an administrative order to not fine people for ObamaCare essentially ending the entire universal healthcare? or modified the abortion time line etc..? Would that be OK? I don't have to explain why this administrative order isn't right, because Obama already summed it up perfectly 1 year and 3 months ago.