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backup cameras mandatory in all new vehicles

28,148 544 March 31, 2014 at 12:13 PM in Autos (4)
Automakers will be required to install backup cameras in most new vehicles by May 2018, a federal agency announced Monday. [cnn.com]

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration finalized a long-awaited rule requiring all new cars, SUVs, and minivans, as well as some new small trucks and buses to carry rear visibility technology.

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05-05-2014 at 10:04 AM.
05-05-2014 at 10:04 AM.
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Oh don't worry. If something is mandatory on a vehicle it won't be long before they require it to be functioning forever as well. At the owner's expense.

I'm glad we don't have required vehicle inspections here yet.
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05-05-2014 at 02:02 PM.
05-05-2014 at 02:02 PM.
Well, I'm glad we have inspection here. Seen a lot of creepy cars in places where they don't have inspection.

But, yea, there is a limit. The CEL on my 12 year old 200,000 mile + heap always throws something and I have to game it to get by -- every time.
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05-11-2014 at 08:38 PM.
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Quote from Iaaaiws :
Oh don't worry. If something is mandatory on a vehicle it won't be long before they require it to be functioning forever as well. At the owner's expense.

I'm glad we don't have required vehicle inspections here yet.
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05-12-2014 at 06:06 AM.
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Lucky you!!! Where are you??? I'm soo mad feels like the year passes by soooo fast..RantingRantingRantingRantingRantingRantingRanting
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05-13-2014 at 08:18 PM.
05-13-2014 at 08:18 PM.
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It amazes me that anyone can have that mentality.

"I think the government should have complete control over almost every aspect of my life but most people won't go for that so I just want them to keep taking little nibbles of our freedom at a pace slow enough that nobody really pays attention until it is too late."

Government is not capable of taking care of all people from cradle to grave. And government is not the answer to every stinking little problem in society. Get the government out of the way, get people away from that mentality that they need to depend on the government, and get back to people being responsible for their actions and choices.
So, first of all, this isn't taking away a freedom. You have no right to drive, you have a privilege to drive.

Second, to answer your other objections about the cameras themselves, the cameras are not meant to allow you to back up by staring at the dashboard. The cameras are designed to give you another information source so you can determine if it is safe to back up. Used properly, the cameras are safe and are guaranteed to improve the safety of driving. The reason being, no matter how you adjust your mirrors, every car has a blind spot behind the trunk/hatch that you cannot see into. The camera fills that hole and does so in a way sensors can't. Sensors are more likely to have false alarms and go off for things that wouldn't pose an issue for you backing up. Since they don't reveal why they are tripped, a driver is more likely to ignore an alarm that could be real. Additionally, cameras are designed to be fisheyed, so you get a view of what's coming into your path. This is another area where mirrors can't help. I have a sedan and if I get stuck parked between two SUVs or trucks, I can't see anything coming into my path. It doesn't matter how cautious I am, I could run over someone or something.
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05-13-2014 at 08:35 PM.
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05-13-2014 at 08:45 PM.
05-13-2014 at 08:45 PM.
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So, first of all, this isn't taking away a freedom. You have no right to drive, you have a privilege to drive.

Second, to answer your other objections about the cameras themselves, the cameras are not meant to allow you to back up by staring at the dashboard. The cameras are designed to give you another information source so you can determine if it is safe to back up. Used properly, the cameras are safe and are guaranteed to improve the safety of driving. The reason being, no matter how you adjust your mirrors, every car has a blind spot behind the trunk/hatch that you cannot see into. The camera fills that hole and does so in a way sensors can't. Sensors are more likely to have false alarms and go off for things that wouldn't pose an issue for you backing up. Since they don't reveal why they are tripped, a driver is more likely to ignore an alarm that could be real. Additionally, cameras are designed to be fisheyed, so you get a view of what's coming into your path. This is another area where mirrors can't help. I have a sedan and if I get stuck parked between two SUVs or trucks, I can't see anything coming into my path. It doesn't matter how cautious I am, I could run over someone or something.
Just curious--how many years have you driven without a backup camera and how many times have you run things over or backed into something that a camera would have prevented? For me, in thirty-some years of driving I can recall backing into a car one time, and the way it happened I wouldn't have been looking at a backup camera either. On the other hand a backup sensor would have likely alerted me in time to stop.
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05-13-2014 at 09:18 PM.
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Just curious--how many years have you driven without a backup camera and how many times have you run things over or backed into something that a camera would have prevented? For me, in thirty-some years of driving I can recall backing into a car one time, and the way it happened I wouldn't have been looking at a backup camera either. On the other hand a backup sensor would have likely alerted me in time to stop.
It's not an issue of whether or not I've backed over anything or you've backed over anything. It's an aggregate issue, one that injures or kills 50 children every week. As I mentioned earlier, the camera is the better option, since it prevents drivers from ignoring it due to too many "boy who cried wolf" incidences. All you have to do is glance at the camera just before backing up and momentarily from time to time as you back up. If you already back up using your mirrors this will not detract from your safety at all.
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05-13-2014 at 11:13 PM.
05-13-2014 at 11:13 PM.
Hopefully this will lessen the number of road accidents.
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05-14-2014 at 06:55 AM.
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It's not an issue of whether or not I've backed over anything or you've backed over anything. It's an aggregate issue, one that injures or kills 50 children every week. As I mentioned earlier, the camera is the better option, since it prevents drivers from ignoring it due to too many "boy who cried wolf" incidences. All you have to do is glance at the camera just before backing up and momentarily from time to time as you back up. If you already back up using your mirrors this will not detract from your safety at all.
Injures or kills 50 children every week?
Maybe people should be taking better care of their children.
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Hopefully this will lessen the number of road accidents.
I don't think that's the intent. Plus, most road accidents tend to occur on the road... after you've already backed out.
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05-14-2014 at 10:04 AM.
05-14-2014 at 10:04 AM.
Quote from 32paul52 :
Hopefully this will lessen the number of road accidents.
Iagree
Driving in reverse at high speed is far easier on my neck just looking down at the screen.
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05-14-2014 at 10:27 AM.
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Injures or kills 50 children every week?
Maybe people should be taking better care of their children.
You can give that answer for just about everything. So why do we have air bags and seat belts and antilock brakes and so on.

If everyone just took more care driving, we wouldn't need all this safety crap right?

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I don't think that's the intent. Plus, most road accidents tend to occur on the road... after you've already backed out.
What do you think the intent is then? If not to prevent accidents, then... what?
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05-14-2014 at 10:43 AM.
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You can give that answer for just about everything. So why do we have air bags and seat belts and antilock brakes and so on.

If everyone just took more care driving, we wouldn't need all this safety crap right?
None of those are really related to "making sure your kids don't play in the driveway behind the car".
As a matter of fact, cars disable the airbag if you have a child sitting up front, and now you're not supposed to put them up front until they're more or less "small adult" size.
And you're correct, we wouldn't need all this safety crap, but since our driving test is more or less a joke in this country...
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What do you think the intent is then? If not to prevent accidents, then... what?
I don't think backing over kids qualifies as a "road accident"?
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05-14-2014 at 11:19 AM.
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I don't think backing over kids qualifies as a "road accident"?
You think it's on purpose? OMG
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05-14-2014 at 12:13 PM.
05-14-2014 at 12:13 PM.
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Injures or kills 50 children every week?
Maybe people should be taking better care of their children.

I don't think that's the intent. Plus, most road accidents tend to occur on the road... after you've already backed out.
Not you, frog! Not you!
How in the hell does a driver take responsibility for the raising of the children that he may or may not hit?
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