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>30 people have lost UDP since the 15th after doing the BBM!!!!

DO NOT COMPLETE ANY OF THE BEST BUY METHODS ON YOUR UDP LINES UNLESS YOU DO A PHONE NUMBER CHANGE ON YOUR UDP LINE (SEE BELOW)!!!!!!!!!

DO NOT COMPLETE 4EVER, SWITZMA OR SNKYDVL EITHER UNLESS YOU DO A PHONE NUMBER CHANGE ON YOUR UDP LINE!!!!!

Or you can sell the subsidized phones that you purchase with your UDP line's upgrade after destroying the toxic SIM card. You can sell them unactivated and w/o a SIM card - do not sell an unactivated iPhone purchased from Apple online b/c it won't activate w/o your SSN last 4 and billing zip code (and do not activate them through iTunes). You can also trade the subsidized phones, here is a link to a trading spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadshe...li=1#gid=0

No trading can be done on this thread - you can put your contact info in the spreadsheet but all trading activity must be done off of SD and the SD staff will not help you if a trade goes wrong. No PMs about trades on SD!!!!


It looks like Verizon is associating the IMEI of the subsidized device with the switch order.



Current Options To Keep UDP Lines On Contract

The current options that we have enough data on to know are safe in the short term are these:

1) Best Buy Method and Sell the Phone, 4ever Method and Sell the Phone, Snkydvl and Sell the Phone or Switzma and Sell the Phone;
2) 4ever Method and Leave the Phone on the TDP Line;
3) Aohus through Best Buy;
4) FrenzyTom; and
5) Best Buy Method with Phone Number Change (also BBM for Mismatched SIM Card Sizes with Phone Number Change or 3G Phones with Phone Number Change).


Not sure if Aohus through Verizon is an option anymore b/c idk what would happen when you pick a new data plan through Verizon now. I think FAM and 1/2 FAM are definitely out.

I am also not sure if you can do Aohus through apple.com.


Please post a current line chart if you need follow up help after upgrading



Best Buy Method and Sell the Phone

1) Through Best Buy online,* order a new smartphone using your UDP line's upgrade and have it shipped to home not shipped to store;
2) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
3) Sell the new smartphone unactivated and without a SIM card.

* if you get an email or phone call after you order from Best Buy saying they could not process your order and they need for you to call them, do not call them - it is best to cancel the order. They will likely try to involve Verizon and the Verizon rep will manually kick you off of your UDP. If you get such an email or phone call, after you cancel the order check to make sure your Verizon balance is paid off in full, that your shipping and billing address of your credit card match and that you used the proper account passcode. If all of those things are true, you may have been randomly selected for them to manually process your order. If so, you will be kicked off of UDP if you call them and give them your Verizon info. You can try re-placing the order and seeing what happens, but if you repeatedly get the email/call, then I believe you have been selected for a manual order. Idk if this is a BB quality assurance thing or a Verizon thing, but I suspect it is a BB QA thing because it only happens with BB not any of the other 3rd party retailers.

If it repeatedly happens to you at BB, your option is to choose another 3rd party retailer to order from. However, the only third party retailer you can order subsidized phones from online is apple.com and if you order from them, in order to activate the phone, you must input the last 4 of your SSN and billing zip code. This presents a problem if you are going to sell the phone. The phone needs to be activated on another line other than your UDP line to clear that before you sell it. Do not activate a subsidized iPhone through iTunes!!!!


DO NOT ORDER FROM COSTCO OR MOTOROLA IF YOU ARE DOING ANY OF THE BEST BUY OR UDVZWIP4 METHODS AS 3 PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR UDP BEFORE THE PHONE EVEN SHIPPED!!!! COSTCO IS RANDOMLY CHECKING THESE ORDERS AND MANUALLY SWITCHING PEOPLE OFF OF UDP!!!! MOTOROLA IS DOING THIS TOO!!!!

If you order through BB online or apple.com, you will be left with a line error. To check to see if you have a line error on your UDP line, go to activate or switch a device on your UDP line. If you see this message:

"Your request cannot be completed. We cannot process your request at this time, please try again later."

that is a line error. This error results in you not being able to activate or switch a device on your line yourself and having to involve Verizon. However, people are reporting that it falls off of your line eventually.



4ever Method and Sell the Phone

1) Log onto Verizon or Best Buy and transfer your UDP line's upgrade to a TDP line that is not currently eligible for its own upgrade;
2) Order the new smartphone you want on the TDP line selecting the TDP line's same data plan if required to select a data plan;
3) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
4) Sell the new smartphone unactivated and without a SIM card.

Transferring Upgrades: Only 2 sites allow you to transfer upgrades between lines online - Verizon and Best Buy. When you transfer an upgrade from one line to another online, you must complete the purchase right then or the upgrade reverts back to the line on which it originated. UPDATE: If you are trying to transfer an upgrade through bestbuy.com, you can put the phone you want in your cart and type in the phone number of the line you want to transfer the upgrade TO (which of course cannot be eligible for its own upgrade) and see if it gives you the option of transferring an upgrade to it. If you only get the option of Edge or full price and no transfer option, then Verizon has put an early Edge offer on the line. You are not able to transfer an upgrade thru bestbuy.com to a line that has an early Edge offer on it. You can do it through Verizon online.

You cannot transfer an upgrade to a line with a data-only device on it, like a MiFi or a tablet - you need to put a phone on the line first.


4ever Method and Leave the Phone on the TDP Line

When you do the 4ever Method, it is the UDP line's upgrade that is used and it is the UDP line's contract that is extended, not the TDP line's. The TDP line's contract end date and upgrade date do not change when you do the 4ever Method.

1) Log onto Verizon, Comcast or Best Buy and transfer your UDP line's upgrade to a TDP line that is not currently eligible for its own upgrade;
2) Order the new smartphone you want on the TDP line selecting the TDP line's same data plan if required to select a data plan; and
3) When the new smartphone arrives, activate it on the TDP line according to the directions that came with the phone using the SIM card that ships with the phone.


If you do 4ever Method and Leave the Phone on the TDP Line, I would never put the new subsidized smartphone on the UDP line whose upgrade was used to purchase the new subsidized smartphone.



Aohus Through Best Buy

1) Have a 4G LTE phone active on at least one line other than your UDP line before you order;
2) Through bestbuy.com, order a new subsidized smartphone using your UDP line's upgrade and have it shipped to home not shipped to store;
3) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
4) Place a 4G LTE SIM card that is currently active on any line* (other than the UDP line whose upgrade was used in Step 2) into the new smartphone and turn it on.

* the other line can be on your account or on another account

The result is that your UDP line's contract will be extended by 2 years. You can NEVER use the subsidized phone purchased in Step 2 on the UDP line it was ordered on. NEVER.



Pending Upgrades (PUs)

If you use a UDP line's upgrade to get a subsidized phone through a 3rd party retailer, your UDP line will likely be left with a Pending Upgrade (PU). A Pending Upgrade looks like this:

http://static.slickdealscdn.com/a...281.attach

This happens even if you transfer your UDP line's upgrade to another line and order on the other line (i.e., Snkydvl, Switzma, FrenzyTom or 4ever). We do not know how long a PU will stay on your UDP line nor do we know what the consequences of having a PU on a UDP line are other than it appears quite certain if you complete it, you will lose UDP.

To check to see if you have a PU on your line, log into your Verizon account through a computer (not your phone) using Chrome and go to My Devices and click on Activate or Switch Device. You should see it there.

If you instead see your devices and can select them, select your UDP line to check to see if you have a line error on your UDP line. If you have a line error on your line, it can mask the PU and you will not see it until the line error resolves.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79554563&postcount=16314

Line errors are explained below.

A couple of posters have reported that the PUs have fallen off of their lines and they are left with no PAs, no PEOs and no line errors:

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79680147&postcount=17710

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79696037&postcount=17828



Options if you are still within the Return Period

If you have a PU on your UDP line and are still within the return period, you have to decide if you want to return, get your upgrade restored and pay $20/mo more for UDP or wait it out and hope that PUs are like PEOs and they fall off of your line eventually without any consequences. Perhaps before your return period is up we will know more.

Only you can decide how much risk you are comfortable taking. Please don't ask me what you should do - you need to decide for yourself how much risk you are comfortable taking. I can't make that determination for you.



Options if you lose UDP and are still within the Return Period

No one at Verizon or anywhere else can restore UDP except the 1 department that handles inactive pricing requests (IPRs). And they won't do it unless you return the phone and get your upgrade restored first.

So if you lose UDP and are still w/in the return period, you have to return the phone, get your upgrade restored and THEN call Verizon to file an IPR to get UDP back. Best Buy cannot file an IPR for you - you must call Verizon yourself to get that done.

SIM cards should never be returned with a device - they have your account information on them. If some dumbass BB rep says they need the SIM card back, tell them no you are not returing a SIM card that has your account info on it. Ask for a Mobile rep and demand to speak to a manager if you need to. They simply trash the SIM cards as they cannot reuse them.

IPRs generally take about 2 business days despite that the Verizon reps will say 7-10 days. If you do not get your UDP restored within 2 business days, you need to call and check on the IPR to make sure it indeed was filed.



What We Know

1. We know for sure if you did the Best Buy Method that you will lose UDP if you put the subsidized phone that you purchased with your UDP line's upgrade on the UDP line it was ordered on. This is true even if you activated it prior to 11/15/15 and then replaced it with another phone - you cannot safely put it back on your UDP line as long as there is a PU on your UDP line. This is true even if you activated the subsidized phone on another line first prior to putting it on your UDP line.

YOU CAN NO LONGER PUT A SUBSIDIZED PHONE ON THE UDP LINE IT WAS ORDERED ON WITHOUT LOSING UDP.

For now it is best to assume that you never will be able to do that even if the PU falls off of your UDP line.


2. One person has reported back doing the BBM and activating his device on his girlfriend's line, which was part of a data share plan on another Verizon account - he kept UDP and has a PU on his line. What this may indicate is that you may be able to do the BBM, never activate the phone on your account, remove the toxic SIM card and sell the phone or give it to someone else to use on another Verizon account. But of course, we don't know what will happen if the PU does not fall off of the UDP line.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79542319&postcount=16104

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79542517&postcount=16109

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79542791&postcount=16115

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79545345&postcount=16164

EDITED - there are additional reports of people keeping UDP when they did the BBM and the subsidized device was not activated on the UDP line but was instead activated on another Verizon account.


3. One person has reported back that porting a number into their UDP line from Google Voice got rid of the PU on their UDP line. This person was able to switch back and forth b/t his/her old phone and the subsidized device on his UDP line after 11/15/15 without losing UDP.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79561921&postcount=16460


4. One person has reported back that he successfully completed the BBM prior to 11/15/15 but then on the 15th he took a software (system) upgrade (aka OTA) and lost UDP.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79484627&postcount=15061

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79491865&postcount=15199

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79492047&postcount=15205


5. One person reported successfully doing Aohus through bestbuy.com - meaning they activated the subsidized phone on a UDP line on their account other than the UDP line on which it was ordered.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79590509&postcount=16785



What We Don't Know

1. We don't know for sure what will happen if you put a subsidized phone purchased with a UDP line's upgrade on the UDP line if you did one of the upgrade transfer methods (i.e., Switzma, Snkydvl, 4ever or FrenzyTom) and have a PU on the UDP line. One poster reported that they successfully completed the 4ever Method on or after 11/15/15 but it is not clear if they had a PU on the UDP line at the time.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79504279&postcount=15475

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79482183&postcount=15038

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=79480679&postcount=15027


2. We also don't know what will happen if you do Aohus, FAM or 1/2 FAM on or after 11/15/15 because no one has reported back what will happen.



How to Change Your UDP Line's Phone Number

If you don't care about the phone number on your UDP line, for instance because you already use Google Voice as your main number, you can simply log onto your Verizon account and change the phone number on your UDP line. This will not affect your UDP.

If you do care about the phone number on your UDP line, you have 2 options - the Google Voice trick or if your number is not eligible for port to GV, then a phone number switch to another line (either new or existing).


Google Voice Trick

1) Port your UDP line's number to GV for $20 - Not all numbers are eligible - check for eligibility here:

https://www.google.com/voice/porting? ;

2) After you receive the confirmation email from GV, log onto Verizon and change the phone number on your UDP line - some people wait hours to do this, others have done it fairly soon after receiving the confirmation email from GV. You MUST do this before 24 hours from the time of the initial port request or your UDP line will terminate. If you get this message when you try to change your phone number:

http://static.slickdealscdn.com/a...231.attach

it is because you haven't had the same phone on the line for at least 30 days. You will have to use the automated system to change your phone number or pay $15 to have a rep do it. To use the automated system, you dial 611 and then choose option "4" Other Options. Then say Number Change (don't say phone number change). If you have a rep do it, you can ask to have the $15 charge waived since you tried to do it online but were not allowed to. I would not mention the GV port out to the rep.

Also, if you have been logging into Verizon using your phone number, you need to set a user name because after you change your phone number, you will not be able to use it to log into your Verizon account online;

3) The port out to GV will complete at 24 hours from the port request; and

4) Log onto your GV account and forward the calls/texts to the new number on your Verizon line.


If you wish to port your GV number back into your Verizon line, you call this number:

1-866-881-7165


I would wait a full billing cycle before porting back in. The port back into Verizon from GV is treated as a landline port and can take several business days. Your incoming texts may be disrupted during this time.

NOTE - once you port your number to GV, it is now a landline number so other Verizon customers calling it will be calling a landline number when they call you. Moreover, when you receive calls forwarded from your GV number, those are counted as landline calls to you.





Phone Number Switch to an Existing or New Line

This is riskier but if your phone number is not eligible for port out to GV, it is an option.

1) Log onto Verizon online and change the phone number on your UDP line;

2) Call Verizon and ask a rep to contact the CORe department to reserve your UDP line's old number - this is not 100% guaranteed to be able to be done. It is more likely to be successful if your UDP line's old number was originally a Verizon number to begin with rather than one you ported in from another carrier;

3) Have the rep put your UDP line's old number on another one of your existing lines. If you do not have an existing line to use for this, as long as you only have 4 or less lines on your Nationwide Family Share and have a spare basic phone, you can add a no contract basic line for this purpose ($40 activation fee applies). You will be able to forward your calls from the basic line to your UDP line but not texts and forwarding charges apply depending on the voice plan you have. Or you can just carry around 2 phones for awhile; and

4) On the last day of your billing cycle, you can port the UDP line's old phone number that is now on the basic line out of Verizon to a prepaid carrier and then port it back into your UDP line at the beginning of your next billing cycle by calling:

1-866-881-7165

You will need a phone that works on the prepaid carrier to do this.


The process above is similar to a line reduction but a bit different b/c you don't get rid of any lines and may have to add a new line.



Please post your questions in the forum and DON'T PM me - that way everyone can read your post and benefit from the information we are all sharing with each other. I will just delete your PM and won't respond so it is a waste of your time to PM me about these methods.


PLEASE do NOT quote reddit on here. Lots of misinformation and BS gets posted on reddit and I have spent enough time trying to correct it and I am done doing it. If you want to take advice from reddit, do it, but don't post it here. I will put you on ignore if you quote reddit.


UPDATE: If your UDP line is not eligible for a subsidized upgrade, you cannot extend its contract by yourself. The only possible way to extend a UDP line's contract if it is not eligible for a subsidized upgrade is to get a Verizon rep to add a promo to the line that will extend the contract. Examples of these promos are 100min/txts or 50% off voice but not all accounts qualify for these promos and your UDP line needs to have 11 months or less on contract for these promos to apply - it is very YMMV. Please post your questions about the promos in this thread:

http://slickdeals.net/f/8184224-verizon-unlimited-data-udp-100-minutes-100-texts-promo-to-extend-contract-to-avoid-price-hike


It is NEVER safe to have a Verizon corporate employee - in-store, phone or chat - activate a SIM card on a UDP line even if you have never done any of the methods in this post. NEVER. They can manually remove UDP. So if you cannot activate a SIM card yourself online, you should only go to a VAR for a SIM card activation. And you should NEVER use the automated system to activate a SIM card on a UDP line. NEVER.


UPDATE:Several people who did Snkydvl through Verizon and the BBM through apple.com and bestbuy.com have not had their UDP line's contracts extended but their upgrades have been used at least to the point they can't use them at BB or apple.com.

This is a real problem b/c it forces them to either take the risk that they will get hit with the price hikes, return the phone and try again (which is risky due to the looming price hikes) or try to use the upgrade by doing the BBM through Verizon.

There does not appear to be a way to prevent this or predict who it will happen to as it is happening randomly.


Chart Form: It is very important for people to put their line situation in chart form including the phones and the phones you want to get. This not only makes it easier to spot issues, it helps to prevent me from getting confused. This is an example of chart form:

Nationwide Talk & Text 1400 minutes
L1: UDP iP5s Yes -> iP6s
L2: TDP S6 No
L3: Basic Yes
L4: UDP G2 No
L5: TDP M8 Yes -> M9

Yes = yes a subsidized upgrade is available
No = no a subsidized upgrade is not available

It also is helpful not to put special formatting or extraneous information in the chart, for instance, I don't need to know the contract end dates, just whether or not a subsidized upgrade is available.



UPDATE: Comcast link and the iconic portal are not processing the orders properly - they are being processed as pre-orders and not shipping. If you ordered through Comcast and your order is not shipping and the phone is in-stock, you need to cancel and reorder through Verizon or BB. You can see if you can cancel your order here:

Code:
https://preorder.verizonwireless.com/order/common/searchOrder.jsp
If you can't cancel through that link, then the order will likely ship.

UPDATE: Both bestbuy.com and apple.com appear not to be processing some orders properly - some people are not seeing their contract end dates extend and worse yet, aren't able to reuse their upgrades to get back on contract.


2 posters have lost UDP doing the Best Buy Method through Verizon. It is NOT safe to do the Best Buy Method Through Verizon! Another poster reported back that they did the BBM through Verizon and did not activate the phone. They destroyed the SIM card that shipped with the phone and put it away. They kept UDP for a month. Then they put their already active SIM card in the phone they got using the BBM through Verizon a month later and lost UDP!!! So it seems like somehow the IMEI of the phone is tied to the UDP line it is ordered on. If this is true, if you do Aohus or FAM, you should NEVER activate the phone on the line it was ordered on!!!!


Do NOT upgrade even a TDP line through Target!! People who have upgraded TDP lines at Target have had their UDP lines (which weren't even being upgraded) switched to the 6GB plan.


I am skipping over posts that are asking questions like how to activate phones or transfer upgrades when there are entire sections on that in the OP as well as an explanation in the method steps. Same with selling or returning phones or questions about why these methods work - that is all in the OP. I am no longer going to even respond PRTOP. If you are not getting a response it is because your answer is easily found in the OP.

If there is a specific section of the OP or step of a method you don't understand please QUOTE what it is you don't understand and explain what is confusing about it and I will try to explain it better or edit the OP if it is confusing.

Also, if you are just paraphrasing a method and asking for confirmation, like it says in the OP, I will just skip over that. If others want to answer someone, that is fine by me. I am more than happy to see others help too. So don't think that it will bother me if you help someone out. If I see wrong information being given out, I will chime in to correct it.

I know there is a lot of information to digest in the OP, but please search the OP first for the answer to your question.


Calling Verizon After Doing These Methods

I would NOT call Verizon for any reason unless you have ABSOLUTELY NO CHOICE after you do any of these methods. Verizon reps are becoming increasingly hostile to UDPers. It is clear that UDPers are persona non grata at Verizon.

I am not going to answer questions about plan changes, etc. on this thread any more b/c IMO you should just leave things be and not change them. As best I can tell, the days of UDPers being able to call Verizon with no threat to their UDP are over and you just need to accept that reality.

You can try VARs but that is all I would try. If you have to call Verizon fraud or tech support b/c you have no other option then of course you have to. But voluntarily changing your plan and things like that, IMO you just have to accept the reality that your UDP is in jeopardy every single time you call and let a rep into your account.

Under no circumstance would I ever let a Verizon corporate store rep into my account if you have a UDP line. None. No exceptions.

So I am only going to focus on helping people upgrade. If you have questions about voluntary issues that you want to address with Verizon, my recommendation is that you do not do it so I will just skip over those posts. Anyone else is free to answer those questions, of course, and I do not mind if you do. I just am not going to do it anymore.


UPDATE: People who are doing a bunch of phone changes in a short period of time when doing 4ever method or other methods on multiple lines are tripping fraud alerts and getting their lines suspended. It is OK to call fraud or whatever number you are emailed to get the lines unsuspended - it is your only option. The reps have been reconnecting the lines after they verify that you are indeed the one making all of the phone changes. Fraud department is only open M-F so you should keep that in mind if you are going to do these phone changes over the weekend.


UPDATE - I don't know anything more about the UDP price hikes then is available by doing a Google search. If you do, please share the info!!! Also, please don't ask be about the price hikes - Google it!!!


If you want help, please put your line situation in chart form including the phones and state which phones you want to get. If you don't do that, I won't respond. If you don't know what chart form means, please read this post then you will know what that means. I don't need to know contract end date or contract status - I need to know if the line is eligible for a subsidized upgrade: Yes = eligible for a subsidized upgrade; No = not eligible for a subsidized upgrade

I am no longer going to be responding to posts that don't put their line situation in chart form including the phones and state the phones that they want to get. This is an example of chart form:

L1: UDP S5 Yes
L2: TDP iP5 No
L3: Basic No



I am starting a new thread in Deal Talk for Verizon UDP and basic line upgrades as the other thread has misinformation in the OP and I cannot edit it as I was not the OP. Also, people have edited the wiki on that thread to have misinformation that has confused people and I can't control that.

Please vote this thread up if you find it useful as there are some nasty people who are voting it down.

I will update this OP as people report back their results using the methods so it is possible that newly added information may conflict with older information. If you spot an inconsistency in this OP, PLEASE point it out to me so I can correct it. Thanks! Also, I try to acknowledge everyone who posts back by responding with

Thanks for reporting back!! Awesome!!

so if you search the thread for "reporting back awesome" you should hit on the most recent posts where people reported back their results.


If you have a specific question about a method, please by all means ask. But if you are simply paraphrasing a method's steps to confirm that you understand the method, I will ignore the post. Others may jump in to confirm that for you but it is up to them to do that.

Also, I don't keep abreast of every trade-in deal or other promos so I simply don't know the answer when people ask about them. Whether or not doing a trade-in will work with these methods, idk. Others may know and may be able to provide you with an answer but it is up to them to do that. And I haven't memorized every return policy of each retailer - PLEASE DON'T ASK ME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU COULD EASILY LOOK UP THE ANSWER TO YOURSELF!!

Best Buy does not ship newly launched phones to home at first, usually it takes a few weeks before they will allow ship to home. If Best Buy does not currently allow a phone to be shipped to home and the method requires ship to home THEN YOU CAN'T GET THAT PHONE AND DO THAT METHOD. You would have to wait until the phone is ship to home or pick a different phone.

You can do the Best Buy Methods through apple.com. You cannot do the UDVZWIP4 Method through apple.com. If you order an iPhone through apple.com, it requires that you input the last 4 digits of the SSN of the account owner and the billing zip code on the account. This is normal. However, if you are doing the BBM for Mismatched SIM Card Sizes or the BBM for 3G Phones be aware that when you take an iPhone ordered through apple.com to a VAR, you will have to do that in front of the VAR.


UPS MyChoice: If you are ordering through Best Buy, you should sign up for UPS MyChoice. Best Buy is notoriously late in sending shipping notices - most people get their package before they get a shipping notice from BB.


Please don't quote this post in its entirety if you post on this thread as it is very long and if you quote the entire post, it will bog down the thread and make it hard for people to read. Thanks!

NEVER ACTIVATE A BASIC PHONE ON A UDP LINE - YOU WILL LOSE UDP IF YOU DO!!!!!

UPDATE - You no longer see Keep Existing Plan when you order through Best Buy!!!


UPDATE - FAM is not likely a viable option any more b/c people are getting stuck with line errors no matter where they order from even Verizon. You cannot activate a SIM card on a line when you have a line error on it. And since you can't call Verizon or go to a VAR with a PEO on a line, FAM is not likely to be a viable option any longer.


DO NOT INVOLVE VERIZON WHEN ACTIVATING A SIM CARD ON A UDP LINE IF YOU USED ONE OF THESE METHODS TO PURCHASE A SUBSIDIZED PHONE USING A UDP LINE'S UPGRADE. The Verizon reps can and WILL manually switch you off of UDP if they see that you used a UDP line's upgrade. It is safest to pay a VAR to activate a SIM card on a UDP line after you do one of these methods. The only exception to that is the 4ever Method and even then, if you are unable to activate the SIM card yourself on the UDP line, it is still safest to go to a VAR and pay them to to do it for you.


PLEASE READ THIS POST BEFORE ATTEMPTING ANY OF THESE METHODS!!!!!!!! If you ask a question that can be answered easily by reading the OP, if I or anyone else responds with PRTOP, it means Please Read the Original Post. It is for your own good that your read this post as there is a ton of info in this post that will help you keep your UDP and avoid a 2 year data plan on a basic line. Of course, if you don't have a basic line you can skip over those sections that deal with methods involving a basic line.

If you choose to do any of the methods, follow the methods exactly as written!!!! If you do anything else, then you are making up your own method. If a method is ship to home, THEN IT IS SHIP TO HOME PERIOD. If you do pick-up in-store YOU WILL LOSE UDP.



There is a ton of useful information in this post that will help ensure that you do not lose UDP. No one should attempt the Best Buy Method or any of the other upgrade methods without reading this OP. If you have a question, please quote the portion of this original post (OP) that you need help with when you post your question.


If you try any of these methods, you try them at your own risk. Verizon can change their system at any time and so, at any time, these methods could stop working. There are no guarantees.


The second post in this thread contains a summary of the various methods that you can do depending on your line situation.



PRTOP = Please Read the Original Post

UDP = unlimited data plan

TDP = tiered data plan (e.g., 2GB, 5GB, etc.). TDP does not include shared data plans (i.e., More Everything Plan)

Basic Line = Dumbphone or feature phone line

Data Max Plan = 6GB of data for $30/mo - this plan is offered to those who have a UDP line if they give up UDP. The Data Max plan currently allows for subsidized upgrades as long as you are offered the 6GB data option at check out.

Nationwide Connect Plan= Not a smartphone plan. While it may offer UDP, it is UDP only for basic phones and you cannot put a smartphone on a Nationwide Connect line. However, at least one poster was able to convince Verizon to convert his plan to a Nationwide plan and give him the Data Max data plan.

VAR = Verizon Authorized Retailer - these are Verizon franchises and unlike Verizon corporate stores, the reps are more friendly towards working with you to keep your UDP. To find a VAR, search for the stores in your zip code and CHECK the authorized retailer box.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/stores/

that will show you the Verizon corporate stores and the VARs. Be sure that you understand the difference between the VARs and the corporate stores. The VARs typically have business names.


VPR= Verizon Premium Retailer, same as a VAR.

3rd party retailer = any place other than Verizon or a VAR. 3rd party retailers include big box retailers like Best Buy, online retailers like Amazon and manufacturers who sell directly to the public like Apple. A VAR is not a 3rd party retailer. Do NOT upgrade even a TDP line through Target - people who upgraded TDP lines through Target have had their UDP lines switched to the 6GB plan even though they were only upgrading TDP lines!!! For a high-level summary of the issues when ordering from a 3rd party retailer, read this post. Of course, you should still read the rest of this OP also.

Ordering thru the Comcast link is ordering thru Verizon, NOT a 3rd party retailer. This is the Comcast link:

http://www.comcast.com/verizon-wireless.html

Ordering Through the Comcast Link: This is ordering thru Verizon's iconic portal by clicking on the link above. To see all of the Verizon devices, you must click on "ALL DEVICES" at the top of the page. The order is fulfilled by Verizon, so only the Verizon methods should be attempted ordering through the Comcast link. There is usually a $50-$200 gift card offer if you order through the Comcast link. You do not have to be a comcast subscriber to get the gift card. However, it usually takes 10-12 weeks after you activate the phone to get the gift card and if it doesn't arrive by then, you would have to call and try to get a supervisor involved to get the gift card. This is risky for obvious reasons if you upgraded on a UDP or basic line, so if don't get the gift card, you may want to just let it go rather than calling to get a supervisor involved. Also, if you do Jaycemiskel, Krnsamiam, Snkydvl or FrenzyTom and never activate the new phone on the basic line (which of course you wouldn't do) I am not sure if you would qualify for the gift card so don't count on the gift card if you do those methods and use the comcast link.

Iconic Portal = This is the link to Verizon's iconic portal:

https://preorder.verizonwireless.com/iconic/

if you are having difficulty transferring upgrades or ordering through Verizon's main site, you can try switching browsers or ordering through Verizon's iconic portal.

PA = Pending Activation (explained in a section below)

PEO = Pending Equipment Order (explained in a section below)

BB = Best Buy

apple.com = Apple's website that counts as a 3rd party retailer. You can do the BBM through apple.com. When you order ship to home, the phone will require that you input the last 4 of the account owner's SSN and billing zip code as a security feature - this is normal and OK to input. However, if you are doing the BBM for Mismatched SIM Card Sizes or the BBM for 3G Phones be aware that when you take an iPhone ordered through apple.com to a VAR, you will have to do that in front of the VAR.

If you do Jaycemiskel through apple.com, during activation you may see the basic line's phone number and be asked to confirm. It is OK to confirm; this will not result in a 2 year data plan on the basic line.

BBM = Best Buy Method - you can do the BBM through any 3rd party retailer that allows 2 year contract subsidized phone purchases ship to home - basically just bestbuy.com and apple.com now.

Problem With Your Order (pwyo) Email or Text or Phone Call: Sometimes when people order through Best Buy they get the pwyo email/text/phone call asking them to call Best Buy to complete their order. When people have called, one of three things have happened:

1) their call was routed to the Best Buy back office and the back office rep asked for their Verizon billing passcode and/or last 4 of their SSN to complete the order. Those people who gave their Verizon info/SSN to the rep LOST THEIR UDP WHEN THE REP CONTACTED VERIZON AND HAD THE ORDER MANUALLY PROCESSED!;

2) the problem was a pre-activation failure and the rep attempted to do it again through Verizon - THIS RESULTS IN LOSING UDP SO IF YOU HEAR PRE-ACTIVATION FAILURE THE SAFEST THING TO DO IS TO CANCEL THE ORDER; or

3) the problem was something to do with their credit card and the phone call resolved the issue and they did not lose their UDP.

It is safest not to call Best Buy when you get the pwyo email/text/phone call other than to cancel the order. However, people have found that once they get the pwyo email/text/phone call, they continue to get it when they replace their order. If this happens, the Switzma Method is one thing that can be tried if you have another line on your account that can receive an upgrade transfer (i.e., it isn't eligible for its own upgrade). But if you don't and choose to call Best Buy after receiving the pwyo email/text/phone call, if you let the rep involve Verizon and give them your billing passcode or the last 4 of your SSN, you will lose your UDP. IF VERIZON IS INVOLVED YOU WILL LOSE YOUR UDP.

Scan Activation: Phones with pre-installed SIM cards like the iP6 and the S6 can be scan activated if you pick them up in-store. Thus, if a method says ship to home and you decide not to follow that and instead try to do p/u in-store, you will lose UDP when the phone is scan activated.


DPP: Device Payment Plan, formerly the Edge program. These are full priced phones that you pay for in 24 monthly installments. These are not subsidized phones and if you buy one on your UDP line, you will not put your UDP line back on contract.


iPhone 4s = a 3G phone. The iP4s is NOT a 4G LTE phone and its SIM card is NOT a 4G LTE SIM card. You cannot use the SIM card in the iP4s for any of these methods!!! The iP4s is a 3G phone.

4G LTE SIM Cards: These are only found in 4G LTE phones. Any SIM card in a 3G phone is not a 4G LTE SIM card and rather is only for GSM international use. Whenever SIM card is mentioned in any of the methods, it is a 4G LTE SIM card that the method is referring to.

Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S3, Note3, Razr M, Razr Maxx, Thunderbolt, DNA, Rezound or a Bionic: Despite these being 4G LTE phones, the Verizon system "sees" them as 3G phones and you will get the incompatible data plan error (IDPE) just like with a 3G phone if you try to do certain methods. This means if you try to do methods like UDVZWIP4 you will likely need to resort to the Best Buy Method or the Best Buy Method for Mismatched SIM Card Sizes instead. And if you try to do FAM, you will likely have to resort to Aohus and cut down your SIM card. Same for Krnsamiam and MichaelJ - you will likely have to resort to Jaycemiskel and cut down your SIM card. Calling Verizon to activate a SIM card when you have done one of these methods is NOT an option but taking your new phone to a VAR and paying them to activate it on your UDP line is an option (except for those methods where you order through Verizon and have a pending equipment order (PEO) on a line like FAM and Krnsamiam). [UPDATE]A poster reported that he got the incompatible data plan error when he attempted UDVZWIP4 Method and a Note3 was on his line.

Incompatible Data Plan Error (IDPE): The IDPE is the following:

"The device you're activating is not compatible with your current plan. Please select a Data Plan below."

2GB Data Bundle with Personal Email $30.00 / month
5GB Data Bundle with Personal Email $50.00 / month
10GB Data Bundle with Personal Email $80.00 / month
4GB Data Bundle with Personal Email & Mobile Hotspot $50.00 / month

The system forces you to select a new plan. If you get the IDPE, the solution is to use your already active SIM card to get the phone active on the line you want it on. That will mean cutting down your SIM card or using an adapter if the SIM cards are different sizes.

However, if you are merely being told that your device is a 3G device and you are moving to a 4G device and need a SIM card, that is not the IDPE. If you get this message when trying to activate a 4G LTE device:

You are requesting to change from a 3G device to a 4G device. 4G devices require a SIM Card, a portable memory chip that holds account (plan) information, address book, text messages, music, photos and more.

you may be able to select that you have an existing SIM card and type in the ICCID (SIM card) number and proceed to activate the device. But you may still get the IDPE and the only way to know is to try it.

Warnings on Best Buy Site That You Will Lose UDP If You Use a UDP Line's Subsidized Upgrade: The Best Buy site has had warnings that you will lose your UDP if you use your UDP line's upgrade for a long time. Yet these methods still work and result in people being able to use their UDP line's subsidized upgrades and not lose their UDP. Will this work forever? No one knows, that is why it is important for people to KEEP REPORTING BACK THEIR RESULTS!!!!!!!! This is what the warning looks like:

http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3626536

[UPDATE] Best Buy has updated their site and you no longer select Keep Existing Plan but you should see it a checkout even though you don't select it.


Upgrade Fee: Verizon charges a $40 upgrade fee when you use a subsidized upgrade. This is charged by VERIZON not by Best Buy or any other 3rd party retailer. It doesn't matter if Best Buy says it is $35; it is $40 no matter what Best Buy or any other 3rd party retailer says it is. The 3rd party retailers do not control what the upgrade fee is - Verizon does.

When you order through Verizon or Comcast, you pay the $40 upgrade fee at the time of purchase and there is no way to avoid that. When you order through a 3rd party retailer, the $40 upgrade fee appears on your Verizon bill if you activate the SIM card that ships with the subsidized phone. If you don't activate the SIM card that ships with the subsidized phone, people report that the $40 upgrade fee does not appear on their bill.

The 4ever Method is the only 3rd party retailer method in which you would activate the SIM card that ships with a subsidized phone - you do this to clear the PA off of the TDP line. However, you get charged the $40 upgrade fee if you do that. If you don't do that and instead activate the subsidized phone with an already active SIM card, you will likely avoid the $40 upgrade fee but then you are stuck with a PA on the TDP line.


Price Adjustments: You can call BB to get them to do price adjustments for online orders if you are w/in the return period and the phone has gone down in price. AFAIK, they will not match gift card promos. It is best to do this by calling since the stores are not supposed to do it for online orders and they may try to do a return and repurchase. You should never do a return and repurchase.


How to Tell the Difference Between a VAR and a Verizon Corporate Store: Verizon corporate stores can be found here if you don't check the box for include authorized retailers:

http://www.verizonwireless.com/stores/


Then if you redo the search and check the box, you can find the VARs as well as the corporate stores. Or you can just google "Verizon authorized retailer" or "Verizon premium retailer" and your city to find them.

Also, Verizon corporate stores don't say Verizon Authorized Retailer or Verizon Premium Retailer on their storefronts and the VARs tend to have names, like Wireless Zone.


Early Edge: Verizon has been putting early Edge offers on any lines that are w/in a few months or so of their upgrade dates. You will not be able to transfer an upgrade online through bestbuy.com to a line as long as it has an early Edge offer on it. You will be able to do the upgrade transfer through Verizon online and in-store at Best Buy, Staples and Costco.

Also, if you do an upgrade transfer in-store and a rep tells you they have to switch you off of UDP, that is FALSE. The best option at that point is to leave the store and do not allow them to switch you off of UDP. You have to control/monitor the reps and make sure they do the upgrade transfer properly and do not mess with your UDP if you are going to try to do an upgrade transfer in-store. If a rep is trying to switch you off of UDP, then it is best to just leave. Do not let them into your account. Costco in-store reps in some locations will try to convince you that they have to switch you to the Data Max plan if you do 4ever because the system will automatically switch you to the 2GB plan - THIS IS FALSE. Leave the store if you encounter a rep like that.


$20 Talk & Text Data Discount: This discount survives intact if you do any of the methods in this OP.


Warranty Replacements: If you have done any of the methods in this thread and have a problem with your device and you are past the 14 day return period, it is safest to deal with the manufacturer directly for warranty issues. If you attempt to deal with Verizon for a Certified Like New Replacement device and they look for the date of purchase of your device, a rep may see that you used a UDP line's upgrade or a basic line's upgrade to purchase the device. If they see that, they can manually switch you off of UDP or in the case of a basic line's upgrade, stick you with a 2 year data plan contract on the basic line. Moreover, Verizon's CLNRs are complete crap. If your device is under warranty, you are far better off dealing directly with the manufacturer.

The only possible exception to that is if you pay the fee for Total Mobile Protection/Total Equipment Coverage - if that is the case then the date of purchase is irrelevant. When you have TMP/TEC, all that is relevant is that the device is active on a line that currently has TMP/TEC on it. However, if your device is still under warranty, you are still better off dealing directly with the manufacturer b/c Verizon's CLNRs are complete crap.

It is fine to deal with Asurion if you pay for insurance and your device is lost/stolen/accidentally damaged because Asurion cannot manually switch you off of UDP or stick you with a 2 year data plan contract.



If you want to use multiple upgrades, you need to place a separate order for each upgrade you use. You should not try to use any of these methods to upgrade multiple lines in the same order. You should place a separate order for each upgrade you use.

If you are using a UDP line's upgrade:

If you have a TDP line or a More Everything line on your account - the 4ever Method is the preferred method.

If you have a basic line on your account - Snkydvl or Switzma are the preferred methods.

If you have at least 2 UDP lines and a basic line and want to use 1 UDP line's upgrade but put the new phone on a different line, you can do the FrenzyTom Method.

If you only have a single UDP line on your account - you can only do the Best Buy or UDVZWIP4 Methods.

If you have multiple UDP lines on your account but no other types of lines - you can do the Best Buy, UDVZWIP4, Switzma, FAM or Aohus Methods.



If you are using a basic line's upgrade:

You can do Jaycemiskel, Krnsamiam or MichaelJ methods.


ETF When Using a Basic Line's Upgrade to Get a Subsidized Smartphone: If you use a basic line's upgrade to get a subsidized smartphone using Jaycemiskel, Krnsamiam or MichaelJ methods, you will extend the basic line's contract by 2 years and avoid the minimum $30/mo 2 year data plan commitment but you will NOT avoid the $350 smartphone ETF if you decide to terminate the basic line before the end of the 2 year contract. The key to avoiding the 2 year data plan on the basic line is not ever activating a smartphone on the basic line. IF YOU ACTIVATE A SMARTPHONE ON THE BASIC LINE YOU WILL BE STUCK WITH A MINIMUM $30/mo 2 YEAR DATA PLAN COMMITMENT ON THE BASIC LINE.

BE SURE AND READ THE UPDATE TO THE JAYCEMISKEL METHOD IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE THE JAYCEMISKEL METHOD


Calling Verizon to Ask About These Methods: It makes no sense at all to call Verizon to ask about these methods. The reps either don't know what they are talking about or outright will lie. It is foolish to think anyone at Verizon will help you to do these methods. And the corporate store reps are downright malicious and will switch you off of UDP for no reason at all.

What stops Verizon from going through accounts later down the road and switching these "upgraded" UDPs to TDPs? Nothing. Just like nothing stops them from eliminating UDP for any reason at all (or no reason at all) at any time. The terms of the Customer Agreement say Verizon can make any changes to your service that they want to at any time for any reason (or for no reason). They just have to give you written notice and then you have 60 days to complain. If you make a timely complaint and they won't change your service back to the way it was, then they have to let you out of your contract w/o an ETF if you ask them to. However, the newer Customer Agreements now include the clause that you agree to keep a minimum $30/mo data plan on the line for 2 years so there is the possibility that Verizon would try to enforce that.

It seems likely that the people who are the MOST vulnerable to losing UDP are those who are off contract b/c it would cost Verizon nothing to kick them off of UDP. Similarly it seems likely that the people who are the most protected are those who are on contract because Verizon would lose the subsidy if they kicked you off of your UDP and you asked to be let out of your contract w/o an ETF. But Verizon could try to argue that UDP is $29.99/mo which is less than the minimum $30/mo and claim to be enforcing the contract. The only way to stay on contract is to use a subsidized upgrade. And all of the newer Customer Agreements have the clause in them about the minimum $30/mo data plan.

Whether you are on contract or off contract, you simply have no ability at all to force Verizon to let you keep UDP if they decide to eliminate UDPs. None. All you can do to attempt to deter them is to make it more expensive for them to take it away from us by using your UDP line's upgrade.

Also you have to be realistic about the likelihood of Verizon's willingness to incur the cost of hand auditing accounts to selectively remove UDP from lines that were upgraded. The more realistic scenario is that Verizon eliminates UDP across the board - it would be cheaper than hand auditing accounts - or only eliminating it for people who are off contract. Those off contract have no leverage at all with Verizon. If you are on contract, at least you can ask to get out of your contract w/o an ETF and keep your subsidized phone. All of the newer Verizon 4G LTE phones are GSM unlocked and will work on AT&T and TMobile, although depending on the phone they may not have radios that will work on all of the LTE bands of those other carriers.



Upgrade Transfer Methods are the Preferred Methods: When using a UDP line's upgrade, the upgrade transfer methods are always preferred over upgrading directly on a UDP line. The only places you can transfer upgrades online are Verizon and Best Buy. The 4ever Method is best, but Switzma and Snkydvl (between a UDP line and a basic line) are the next best. 4ever is best because there is no risk of losing your UDP and if you run into problems you can call Verizon for assistance. That could change in the future, but as of the date this was written it is true. With Switzma and Snkydvl, there also is no risk of losing UDP; rather the risk is that you will be stuck with a minimum $30/mo data plan commitment for 2 years on your basic line. However, that can be reversed by returning the phone within 14 days. UPDATE: You can try checking the eligibility of the line you want the upgrade transferred TO and see if the system will let you transfer the upgrade to it.



Ordering through Verizon versus ordering through a 3rd party retailer: When you order through Verizon, you can use the SIM card that the phone ships with. It is only when you order through a 3rd party retailer that you destroy the SIM card that the phone ships with for those methods that require it. Note that you don't have to actually destroy the SIM card, you can just toss it, but it is best to destroy it to avoid accidentally activating it.

As explained below, ordering through Verizon results in a pending equipment order (PEO) being placed on your line. As long as you avoid completing the pending equipment order, you keep your UDP (or avoid a minimum $30/mo 2 year data plan commitment on a basic line). The key to avoiding the 2 year data plan on the basic line when you order from Verizon is to not complete the PEO and never activate a smartphone on the basic line.

When you order through a 3rd party retailer, a pending activation (PA) is put on your line and the SIM card the phone ships with is associated with a switch order. As long as you do not activate the SIM card that ships with the phone, the switch order is never completed and you keep your UDP (or avoid a minimum $30/mo 2 year data plan commitment on a basic line). The key to avoiding the 2 year data plan on the basic line when you order through a 3rd party retailer is to remove and destroy the SIM card that ships with the new smartphone and never activate a smartphone on the basic line.

Both pending equipment orders and pending activations have been falling off of people's lines in about a month. It is best to avoid calling Verizon if you have a pending equipment order or a pending activation on any of the UDP lines on your account (or on a basic line if you used one of the methods below involving a basic line). In general, it is best to avoid Verizon corporate stores altogether if you have a UDP line as the corporate store reps have been reported to manually switch people off of UDP for no reason at all.



2051 Error through Best Buy: If you get the 2051 error when trying to order through Best Buy when attempting to verify your account information, you can click the "Return to Cart" button and then attempt to verify again to see if it will go through. If not, make sure you are selecting ship to home instead of ship to store.


Other error Messages when ordering thru 3rd party retailers: If you are getting error messages when ordering thru a 3rd party retailer, including the pwyo email, the things you can try are:

1) be sure you are using the correct billing password (which is not the same as your online password) - you can reset your billing password online or by phone if necessary;

2) order in the account owner's name only;

3) use a different browser - particularly FireFox if ordering through Best Buy;

4) check out as Guest instead of logging into your Best Buy account (you will still be able to enter your Best Buy rewards number);

5) pay off your balance in full even if it is not yet due; and

6) call Verizon to make sure you are not blocked from ordering thru 3rd party retailers.

With the exception of the 4ever method, if you call the 3rd party retailer you risk that they will involve Verizon and process the order manually and you will lose UDP.

Note: If you have a business account, you cannot order thru 3rd party retailers - you can only order through Verizon. A business account is not the same thing as an employer discount. A business account is one in which the account is owned by the business itself.


Incompatible Data Plan Errors (IDPE) when ordering thru Verizon: If you are being told to switch to a new plan because your current plan is incompatible when ordering thru Verizon, try using a different browser. Internet Explorer and Firefox seem to work the best. You also can try ordering through the iconic portal using the Comcast link.

http://www.comcast.com/verizon-wireless.html



Exchanging a defective device within the 14 day return period: If you get a defective device and are still within the 14 day return period, your options are to return the device, get your upgrade restored and then repurchase or instead deal with the manufacturer for a warranty replacement. If you attempt an exchange through Verizon, the reps will likely see what you have done and they have the ability to enforce the 2 year data plan on your basic line or to manually kick you off of UDP.

If you attempt an exchange through a 3rd party retailer, they do a return and repurchase and when they do that, you will be kicked off of UDP or stuck with a 2 year data plan on your basic line. The only exception is if you upgraded through Apple and you get a warranty exchange (not a return for a new device) but that is not really an exception as you are dealing with the manufacturer directly and getting a warranty exchange. If you try to do an exchange for a new device through Apple, it will be processed as a return and repurchase and when they scan activate the new device, you will be kicked off of UDP or stuck with a 2 year data plan on your basic line.


Returning a defective phone: The only safe thing to do is to return, get your upgrade restored and your contract reversed and then start a method again from scratch. If you return to Best Buy, I would tell the reps to make sure they restore the upgrade and reverse the contract. They may need to contact Verizon to do it.

I would not return the SIM card that shipped with the phone or any SIM card that has been associated with your account. Verizon and the 3rd party retailers do not expect you to return a used SIM card to them. They just toss them. If a Best Buy rep tries to tell you otherwise, I would ask for a manager and explain to them that you are not giving them back a SIM card that has been associated with your account and has had your account information programmed into it. They cannot reuse them, so there is no reason to return them and it jeopardizes the security of your account to give someone a SIM card that has your account info programmed into it.


Returning an unopened phone and/or the SIM card that ships with the phone to a 3rd party retailer: Several posters have reported being switched off of their UDP when they returned an unopened phone and/or the SIM card that ships with the phone to a 3rd party retailer. Presumably this occurred because the unopened phone got shipped out to another person and the SIM card was still tied to the switch order on the poster's line or because the SIM card got reused and activated and was still tied to the switch order on the poster's line. Thus when you order through a 3rd party retailer, it is best not to return the SIM card the phone ships with. The vast majority of people can return a phone without the SIM cards they ship with no issues. I would never return a SIM card that had been associated with my account.

Obviously a phone must be opened to remove the SIM card it ships with. Thus, it is not a good idea to refuse delivery of a phone.

The only person to report successfully keeping UDP after returning the SIM card that ships with the phone to a 3rd party retailer said that after he/she returned it, he/she activated a new SIM card on their line. So presumably, activating a new SIM card on your line after you return the SIM card that ships with the phone to a 3rd party retailer breaks the link between your account and the SIM card that shipped with the phone.

Also, at many 3rd party retailers (e.g., Apple and Best Buy) if you want to exchange the phone for another new phone, they do a return and repurchase. This will cause you to lose your UDP. The only thing that is safe to do is to return the device, get your upgrade restored and contract reversed and then repurchase online.

Once you have returned your phone, you have to check to see that your upgrade was restored and contract reversed. If these were not restored/reversed w/in 24 hours, you will have to contact Verizon to have them restored.


Returning a phone to Verizon: Verizon doesn't expect you to return a SIM card with a phone. They just toss the SIM card anyhow.


Activating phones, SIM cards and doing phone switches online: Verizon's system requires that you receive a text confirmation when you activate a phone, activate a SIM card or when you switch phones online. This text confirmation can only be sent to a phone that has been on its line continuously for at least 30 days. The confirmation text may say something about activating a new line of service that is normal even though you are activating a new phone, not a new line of service. Swapping SIM cards obviously does not involve a confirmation text.

To activate a phone on a line or to switch phones, you click Activate or Switch Devices, select the appropriate line and follow the instructions (i.e., enter IMEI and SIM card number when told). It is a simple process that anyone attempting any of these methods needs to familiarize themselves with before they order their subsidized phones.

If your method involves moving phones around b/t lines, be sure that at least 1 phone on your account has been on its line for at least 30 days so you can receive the confirmation text. In general, the exception to that is if you are doing the 4ever Method - you can call Verizon to move phones around on your lines if you do the 4ever Method. However, even if you do the 4ever Method, if you have a pending activation or pending equipment order on any of your lines (especially a pending equipment order) it is best not to have to call Verizon until those fall off the line.

If 2 phones have the same size SIM card, you can just swap SIMs to activate a new phone or switch phones b/t lines. In fact, if 2 phones have the same size SIM cards the Verizon system will force you to swap SIMs.

If a SIM card was previously active on another line, you can reuse it. However, it may take up to 20 minutes to reprogram the SIM card for the new line's number. If you find that it is taking awhile for a SIM card to reprogram, power down the phone, do a SIM card pull and leave the SIM card out of the phone for 5 minutes. Then put it back in the phone and power it on.


Activating a SIM card obtained by mail from Verizon on a UDP line using the automated system: The automated system is a toll free phone number that you call to activate a SIM card in your phone from another phone. Never do this ever to activate a SIM card on a UDP line regardless of whether or not you have used any of these methods to use a UDP line's upgrade. People have lost UDP by doing this even when it had nothing to do with them upgrading their UDP lines. DO NOT USE THE VERIZON AUTOMATED SYSTEM TO ACTIVATE A SIM CARD ON A UDP LINE EVER.


NFC and non-NFC SIM cards:
UPDATE: Softcard will cease to exist on 4/1/15 so there is no longer any need for the NFC SIM cards. If you already have one, it isn't an issue, but if you don't, you don't need to worry about getting one any longer.


Obtaining a new SIM card for a UDP line after doing one of the methods in this OP: While in theory you can call 611 or go into a Verizon corporate store to get a new SIM card for a device on your UDP line for free, people have been switched off of UDP by malicious reps when they have done this even when they never used any of the methods in this OP. If you need a new SIM card for a UDP line it is safest to go to a VAR and have them activate a new SIM card in your device. A VAR will likely charge you around $10 for a new SIM card and some charge more so shop around as there may be more than one VAR in your area. AVOIDgoing into a Verizon corporate store or calling 611 when you have a pending activation or pending equipment order (especially a pending equipment order) on a UDP line.



Transferring Upgrades: Only 2 sites allow you to transfer upgrades between lines online - Verizon and Best Buy. When you transfer an upgrade from one line to another online, you must complete the purchase right then or the upgrade reverts back to the line on which it originated. UPDATE: If you are trying to transfer an upgrade through bestbuy.com, you can put the phone you want in your cart and type in the phone number of the line you want to transfer the upgrade TO (which of course cannot be eligible for its own upgrade) and see if it gives you the option of transferring an upgrade to it. If you only get the option of Edge or full price and no transfer option, then Verizon has put an early Edge offer on the line. You are not able to transfer an upgrade thru bestbuy.com to a line that has an early Edge offer on it. You can do it through Verizon online.

You cannot transfer an upgrade to a line with a data-only device on it, like a MiFi or a tablet - you need to put a phone on the line first.

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http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=73272444&postcount=16126

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Store reps at Best Buy, Costco and Staples can transfer upgrades in-store for you if you are doing the 4ever method in-store. There are probably other 3rd party retailers who also can do in-store upgrade transfers but Apple stores cannot do upgrade transfers in-store. YOU CANNOT TRANSFER AN UPGRADE TO A LINE THAT IS CURRENTLY ELIGIBLE FOR ITS OWN UPGRADE.

If you do an upgrade transfer in-store and a rep tells you they have to switch you off of UDP, that is FALSE. It is best to leave the store at that point and do not allow them to switch you off of UDP. You have to control the reps and make sure they do the upgrade transfer properly and do not mess with your UDP if you are going to try to do an upgrade transfer in-store. Costco in-store reps in some locations will try to convince you that they have to switch you to the Data Max plan if you do 4ever because the system will automatically switch you to the 2GB plan - THIS IS FALSE. Leave the store if you encounter a rep like that.

Also, when you transfer an upgrade to another line, it is the DONOR line's contract that is extended, not the recipient line's contract. The recipient's line contract end date and upgrade dates do not change when you do an upgrade transfer.



Getting UDP back if you lose it: If you lose UDP, in order to get it back, 2 things must happen:

1) You MUST return the phone and get your upgrade restored and contract reversed; and
2) You MUSTfile an inactive pricing request (IPR).

Regular reps cannot give you your UDP back. Only through an IPR can you get your UDP back. And the IPR department will not give you back your UDP unless you return the phone and get your upgrade restored/contract reversed. The regular reps can put you on the 6GB Data Max plan until your IPR is processed. You only have 14 days to get put on the 6GB Data Max plan - once you are out of the return period for the device, the reps will not switch you to the 6GB Data Max plan.


Getting Out of the Minimum $30/mo 2 year Data Plan Commitment on a Basic Line: If you mess up and get stuck with a 2 year data plan on a basic line and you are still w/in the 14 day return period, you can return the phone, get your upgrade restored and your contract reversed. If you are outside of the return period you can terminate the line, pay the smartphone ETF, add back a non-contract basic line and do Jaycemiskel/Krnsamiam/MichaelJ Methods again to get an iPhone to sell and use the profit to pay the ETF. If the phone number of the basic line is important to you, to terminate the basic line you can port the number to Page Plus and sign up for the cheapest basic line plan (about $12) and then port the number back into the no-contract Verizon basic line.



Selling phones you purchase using a subsidized upgrade: Phones that you purchase using a subsidized upgrade are yours and you can do with them what you like, including sell them. However, if you use any of the 3rd party retailer methods in this OP, you MUST remove the SIM card that ships with the phone before you sell it or give it away OR YOU WILL LOSE UDP IF THE SIM CARD IS EVER ACTIVATED OR GET STUCK WITH A $30/MO 2 YEAR DATA COMMITMENT ON YOUR BASIC LINE IF YOU USED A BASIC LINE'S UPGRADE. With the subsidized phones purchased through Verizon, if they are shipped sealed and/or with pre-installed SIM cards and are scan activated, if they are turned on with the SIM card they ship with in them, they will automatically activate on the line they were ordered on.

When you order any subsidized phone through apple.com, they require that the last 4 digits of the SSN of the account owner and the billing zip code of the account be input before they will activate. So for subsidized iPhones purchased through apple.com even if you order them using a TDP line's upgrade, you can't sell them sealed because the buyer won't be able to activate them.

If you order through Amazon and don't activate the subsidized phone on your account, YOU WILL BE CHARGED A $400 SECONDARY ETF. Thus, I would not order through Amazon. Other 3rd party retailers charge a secondary ETF also if you don't activate a subsidized phone on your account. AFAIK, BB and Apple do not currently charge a secondary ETF but that could change at any time.

It is also reasonable to wait through the return period before you sell it to reassure yourself that you kept UDP.



If you are asking for help, please describe you plan/lines/phones in chart form like this:

Nationwide 1400 Minute Family Share
L1: UDP iPhone 5 Yes
L2: TDP iPhone 4s No
L3: Basic phone No

where L1, L2 and L3 mean Line 1, Line 2 and Line 3, UDP, TDP and basic phone are defined above and Yes/No means "Yes" the line has an upgrade available or "No" the line does not have an upgrade available. Also, please indicate what SIM card size any 4G LTE phones use as well as the phones you would like to get with your upgrade. It makes it easier for people to help you if you do this.

And please post screen shots if you are getting error messages or are confused by what you are seeing when you log onto activate a device/switch devices. You can black out your personal information using Paint or any other photo editing program.



THESE METHODS ARE ONLY FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO USE A UDP OR BASIC PHONE LINE'S UPGRADE WITHOUT LOSING UDP OR BEING STUCK WITH A 2 YEAR DATA PLAN REQUIREMENT ON A BASIC PHONE LINE.

If you are using a TDP line's upgrade, you do not need any of these methods. You can use a TDP line's upgrade anywhere you want to and do anything you want with the phone you purchase using a TDP line's upgrade including putting it on a UDP line and using the SIM card that ships with the device and it won't affect your UDP line. Before switching phones around, first you should activate the new phone you get with a TDP line's upgrade on the TDP line. THEN after about an hour, make calls/texts, put the TDP line's old phone back on the TDP line and after that you can move the new phone to any of your other lines or even sell it.

And although it goes without saying that if you are willing to pay full retail for a phone rather than using a UDP line's subsidized upgrade you will not in any way jeopardize your UDP, apparently not everyone understands that. If you are paying full retail for a phone, you can buy the phone anywhere and do anything you want with it including putting it on a UDP line or using the SIM card that the phone ships with.


There are 3 Rules that must be satisfied for you to be able to use these methods:

1) You must have a 4G LTE device active on your UDP line before you order;

2) You must order online; and

3) You must select ship-to-home not pick-up in store.


If you can't satisfy all 3 of those rules, you cannot use these methods.*


* The 4ever Method is the exception to Rules 1, 2 and 3. The Kballa and Best Buy Method for 3G phones are the other exception to Rule 1. Also if you are doing 4ever Method and get the incompatible data plan error when attempting to switch the new phone to the UDP line, you can enlist the help of a VAR to pay them to activate a new SIM card in the new phone on your UDP line.



PENDING ACTIVATIONS, PENDING EQUIPMENT ORDERS AND LINE ERRORS

With the general exception of the 4ever Method, all of these methods will leave either a pending activation or a pending equipment order on your line. However, some people get stuck with a pending activation on their TDP line even if they do the 4ever Method.

Pending activations can result in you not being able to make changes to your line and/or to activate/switch devices on your line. For the overwhelming majority of people, these pending activations fall off of the line on their own in about a month. They occur most commonly when you purchase from a 3rd party retailer.

If you have a family plan, to check to see if you have a pending activation on your line:

1) log onto Verizon online and click activate or switch devices;
2) select a different line from the one whose upgrade was used;
3) click switch devices and select the line whose upgrade was used but do not proceed any further.

If you get the message below then you have a pending activation on the line:

Our records indicate you recently purchased a device for this line of service but have not activated it yet. You have the option to proceed with your device swap after you have activated your new device, or you may contact Customer Service at (800) 922-0204 for further assistance. This is what it looks like:

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If you have an individual plan, to check to see if you have a pending activation on your line:

1) log onto Verizon online and click activate or switch devices; and
2) see if the system will let you proceed but do not proceed any further.

If you are not able to proceed, then you have a pending activation on the line. If you are able to proceed, you may or may not have a pending activation on the line - to know for sure you would have to try to change a feature on your line. If you are blocked from changing features on your line then you have a pending activation on your line.


Pending equipment orders occur when you do the methods through Verizon. They usually fall off of a line within a month. When you have a pending equipment order on your line, you will see the Verify Your Order/Device screen as shown in this screen shot:

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If you were to click "Next" when you see that screen, you would complete the pending equipment order and either lose your UDP or get stuck with a minimum $30/mo 2 year data plan on your basic line depending on which method you used. Rather than clicking "Next" when you see that screen if you need to activate a phone on a line, you can click on "Not activating my new device at this time, take me to the Activate or Switch Device page." The only exception to this rule is the 4ever Method if you are activating the new phone on the TDP line on which it was ordered. If you do the 4ever Method, you want to click "Next" and verify the order/device to activate the new phone on the TDP line.

It is best to avoid calling Verizon or going into a Verizon corporate store as long as a pending activation or pending equipment order is on your line - and NEVER do it if you have a PEO on the line.! You should not go to a VAR with a PEO on a UDP or basic line either.


Many people upgrading through apple.com and bestbuy.com are getting this line error when they go to activate or switch a device on their line after upgrading through apple.com:

"Your request cannot be completed. We cannot process your request at this time, please try again later."

This error results in you not being able to activate or switch a device on your line yourself or make changes to features on the line. FOR THIS REASON, THE UDVZWIP4 METHOD WILL NOT WORK. The error has fallen off in time for everyone who has reported back, typically in about a month.


Also, 1 poster lost his UDP after using these methods 4 months later when he activated a new SIM card on his UDP line that he got from Verizon using the automated number that was in the instructions that came with the SIM card. If you do need a new SIM card activated on a UDP line after doing these methods, do not call the automated number to activate the new SIM card on your UDP line - go to a VAR and purchase one and have them activate it for you. Wait for any pending equipment orders (PEOs) to fall off of your line in about a month before you go to the VAR for a new SIM card. It is OK to go to a VAR with a PA or a line error on your line, but it is NOT OK to go to a VAR with a PEO on your line (unless you did 4ever Method and the PEO is on the TDP line).



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For ANY of these methods to work, you MUST have a Verizon 4G LTE active on your account before you order your new smartphone. THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE* and there is no getting out of this requirement. These methods simply will not work without a 4G LTE PHONE active on your account before your new smartphone arrives.

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* UPDATE - 4ever works many times with 3G phones on the line but it is safest to have a 4G LTE phone on the UDP line BEFORE you order the new phone because some people are getting the incompatible data plan error even when they do the 4ever Method. However, if you get the IDPE when attempting to put the new smartphone on the UDP line, you can take it to a VAR and pay them to activate a SIM card in the phone on the UDP line. Kballa and Best Buy Method for 3G Phones are the other exceptions to this rule.


If you have an individual plan, you can only do one the Best Buy Methods (regular Best Buy Method, Best Buy Method for 3G Phones or Best Buy Method for Mismatched SIM Card Sizes) or the UDVZWIP4 Method. All of these methods except the Best Buy Method for 3G Phones require a 4G LTE phone on your line.


I. If you want to order a subsidized phone using your UDP line's upgrade through Verizon online, the 4ever Method, the Snkydvl Method, the Frenzytom Method, the Flying Arrow Method, the Scyzek Method* and the Aohus Method are the only methods that have been confirmed to work after 8/24/14. Please note if you are doing the 4ever or Scyzek Method that you cannot transfer an upgrade to a line that is currently eligible for its own upgrade.

*UPDATE - Scyzek Method is unnecessary. 4ever was able to go in-store and transfer a UDP line upgrade to a TDP line, upgrade AND activate on the TDP line using the SIM card the phone comes with and did not lose UDP. Then 4ever did a device swap to get the new phone on the UDP line. Doing this prevents a pending activation from being stuck on the TDP line.

Also - the Flying Arrow Method has been confirmed to work after 8/25/14.


II. If you want to order a subsidized phone using your UDP line's upgrade through a 3rd party retailer online, the difference with ordering from Best Buy as opposed to all of the others is that you don't have to pick a new data plan if you order though BB and your customer agreement will say that you keep your existing plan. With all other 3rd party retailers you have to pick a new data plan - IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE YOU PICK - and your customer agreement will say that. Also, Amazon has a secondary etf of $400 if you violate their terms so read Amazon's terms before you order from Amazon. Other 3rd party retailers may have one too. UPDATEAmazon has emailed at least 1 poster who did the Best Buy Method through Amazon to try to enforce their activation policies, which results in a $400 charge to your credit card if you don't return the phone.

DO NOT ORDER FROM COSTCO OR MOTOROLA IF YOU ARE DOING ANY OF THE BEST BUY OR UDVZWIP4 METHODS AS PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR UDP BEFORE THE PHONE EVEN SHIPPED!!!! COSTCO IS RANDOMLY CHECKING THESE ORDERS AND MANUALLY SWITCHING PEOPLE OFF OF UDP!!!! MOTOROLA IS DOING THE SAME THING!!!!


III. If you want to order a subsidized phone using your basic phone line's upgrade through a 3rd party retailer online, Jaycemiskel and MichaelJ Methods are the only methods that have been confirmed to work after 8/24/14 and not result in a 2yr data plan requirement on the basic phone line. Jaycemiskel also works through Verizon as does Krnsamiam and neither method results in a 2 year data plan commitment on the basic line. The key to avoiding the 2 year data plan on the basic line is not ever activating a smartphone on the basic line.
UPDATE: Two posters reported activating a different basic device on the basic line 2 months after successfully doing jaycemiskel through apple.com and bestbuy.com and when they dialed *228 to complete the activation, a 2GB data plan appeared on the basic line that had not been there before and could not be removed. So it looks like you cannot activate a different device on the basic line after doing Jaycemiskel thru a 3rd party retailer w/o getting stuck with the 2 year data plan commitment. The same is likely true if you do MichaelJ method. It may or may not be true if you do Jaycemiskel or Krnsamiam through Verizon but until someone does it and reports back, there is no way to know for sure.


It's possible that other methods will work too, but these are the only methods that have been shown to work after 8/24/14. IF YOU INVOLVE A VERIZON REPRESENTATIVE IN ANY OF THESE METHODS AS THEY CAN SWITCH YOU OFF OF UDP MANUALLY OR STICK YOU WITH A 2 YEAR DATA PLAN REQUIREMENT MANUALLY.


4ever Method

The 4ever method is nothing more than the old upgrade transfer method except with a TDP line rather than a basic line. The 4ever Method is the preferred method if you have a TDP line to transfer an upgrade to as you will not be left with a pending activation or pending equipment order on your line. You must first activate the new phone on the TDP line in order to clear the PA/PEO from the TDP line. Then you put the TDP line's old phone back on the TDP line and the new phone on the UDP line.

When you do the 4ever Method, it is the UDP line's upgrade that is used and it is the UDP line's contract that is extended, not the TDP line's. The TDP line's contract end date and upgrade date do not change when you do the 4ever Method.

You can do the 4ever Method if you have a line situation like this (you can have additional lines too):

L1: UDP 3G or 4G LTE phone Yes
L2: TDP 3G or 4G LTE phone No


1) Log onto Verizon or Best Buy and transfer your UDP line's upgrade to a TDP line that is not currently eligible for its own upgrade;
2) Order the new smartphone you want on the TDP line selecting the TDP line's same data plan if required to select a data plan;
3) When the new smartphone arrives, activate it on the TDP line according to the directions that came with the phone using the SIM card that ships with the phone;
4) Wait at least an hour and make a few calls/text from the new smartphone to make sure it activated OK;
5) If the new smartphone and the TDP line's old phone have the same size SIM card, swap SIMs to put the TDP line's old phone back on the TDP line; if not, log onto Verizon to put the TDP line's old smartphone back on the TDP line; and
6) Depending on SIM card size, log onto Verizon and put the new smartphone on the UDP line or swap SIMs with the UDP line's old phone to put the new smartphone on the UDP line.

The 4ever Method works in-store anywhere upgrades can be transferred also, but it is NOT RECOMMENDED to do this in-store at a Verizon corporate store as Verizon reps can manually switch you off of UDP if they make a mistake or if they are just mean and feel like doing it to you. 4ever Method works in-store at Best Buy, Costco and Staples but the reps may tell you that you will lose your UDP but you won't if the rep does it properly. There are likely other stores that can do upgrade transfers, however Apple stores cannot do upgrade transfers.

If you do an upgrade transfer in-store and a rep tells you they have to switch you off of UDP, that is FALSE. It is best at that point to leave the store and do not allow them to switch you off of UDP. You have to control the reps and make sure they do the upgrade transfer properly and do not mess with your UDP if you are going to try to do an upgrade transfer in-store. Costco in-store reps in some locations will try to convince you that they have to switch you to the Data Max plan if you do 4ever because the system will automatically switch you to the 2GB plan - THIS IS FALSE. Leave the store if you encounter a rep like that.

If you do the 4ever Method in-store anywhere, be sure the rep understands you want to do an UPGRADE TRANSFER. Make sure they do NOT upgrade on the UDP line. Some reps may think you want to upgrade on the UDP line and then switch phones, which is not what you want to do and which will cost you your UDP. If you do an upgrade transfer in-store and a rep tells you they have to switch you off of UDP, that is FALSE. Walk away from the rep and do not allow them to switch you off of UDP. You have to control the reps and make sure they do the upgrade transfer and do not mess with your UDP if you are going to try to do an upgrade transfer in-store. Costco in-store reps in some locations will try to convince you that they have to switch you to the Data Max plan if you do 4ever because the system will automatically switch you to the 2GB plan - THIS IS FALSE. Leave the store if you encounter a rep like that.

It is best not to discuss switching phones b/t lines with an in-store rep. You do the phone switching yourself when you get home. Make sure the in-store rep fully understands that you want your UDP line's UPGRADE TRANSFERRED to the TDP line and that the purchase/activation of the new smartphone is to be done on the TDP line.

Then when you get home, you switch your phones around between lines yourself. It is best not to ask an in-store rep to switch phones for you because you may confuse them and they may try to upgrade on the UDP line.

4ever Method In-store

1) Go to a 3rd party retailer store where they can do upgrade transfers;
2) Have the rep transfer your UDP line's upgrade to a TDP line that is not currently eligible for its own upgrade - I would not mention switching phones around between lines to the rep;
3) Have the rep order and activate the new smartphone on the TDP line;
4) Pay and leave the store;
5) When you get home from the store, wait at least an hour and make a few calls/text from the new smartphone to make sure it activated OK on the TDP line;
6) Put the TDP line's old phone back on the TDP line; and
7) Put the new smartphone on the UDP line.


UPDATE - Scyzek Method is unnecessary. 4ever was able to go in-store and transfer a UDP line upgrade to a TDP line, upgrade AND activate on the TDP line using the SIM card the phone comes with and did not lose UDP. Then 4ever did a device swap to get the new phone on the UDP line. Doing this prevents a pending activation from being stuck on the TDP line.
Scyzek Method
1) Have a 4G LTE phone active on your UDP line before you order;
2) Through Verizon online, transfer your UDP line's upgrade to a TDP line on your family plan that is not currently eligible for its own upgrade;
3) Order a new smartphone on the TDP line and have it shipped to home not shipped to store;
4) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
5) Place the 4G LTE SIM card that is currently active on your UDP line into the new smartphone and turn it on.


Snkydvl Method:

You can do Snkydvl Method if you have a line situation like this (you can have additional lines, too):

L1: UDP 4G LTE phone Yes
L2: Basic phone No


1) Have a 4G LTE phone active on your UDP line before you order;
2) Log onto Verizon and transfer your UDP line's upgrade to a basic line;
3) Order the new smartphone you want on the basic line and select a 2GB plan; DO NOT EVER SELECT A MORE EVERYTHING PLAN - if that is your only option, switch browsers or try ordering through the iconic portal or the comcast link.
4) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
5) Place the 4G LTE SIM card that is currently active on your UDP line into the new smartphone and turn it on.

Snkydvl method will not result in the basic line being stuck with a 2 year data plan commitment on it because you never activate a smartphone on the basic line and do not complete the pending equipment order on the basic line.



Flying Arrow Method

UPDATE - Instructions for how to do FAM if you have a 3G phone on your lines complete with screen shots can be found in this post:

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=73210112&postcount=15900


UPDATE - If the new phone has the same size SIM card as the current phone on the line you are activating the new phone on, you will have to do Aohus Method as the Verizon system will force you to use the current phone's SIM card to activate the new phone.

Flying Arrow Method [androidcentral.com]
(for accounts with at least 2 UDP lines). However, you can do 1/2 the Flying Arrow Method.

You can do FAM if you have a line situation like this (you can have additional lines, too) and the SIM card sizes of the new smartphones you are ordering are different from the size of the SIM cards in the 4G LTE phones that are already active on the lines:

L1: UDP 4G LTE phone Yes
L2: UDP 4G LTE phone Yes


1) Through Verizon online, order the new smartphone UDP Line 2 wants using UDP Line 1's upgrade on UDP Line 1, picking the 2GB data plan for UDP Line 1 and have it shipped to home not shipped to store DO NOT EVER SELECT A MORE EVERYTHING PLAN - if that is your only option, switch browsers or try ordering through the iconic portal or the comcast link.;
2) After the first order is submitted, through Verizon online, order the new smartphone UDP Line 1 wants using UDP Line 2's upgrade on UDP Line 2, picking the 2GB data plan for UDP Line 2 and have it shipped to home not shipped to store DO NOT EVER SELECT A MORE EVERYTHING PLAN - if that is your only option, switch browsers or try ordering through the iconic portal or the comcast link. ;
3) When the new smartphones arrive, do not turn them on, rather log onto Verizon online and click activate or switch a device;
4) Select Line 2 - it should ask you if you want to activate or verify the new device that was just shipped to you - you click "No, I want to activate a different device" or "Not activating my new device at this time, take me to the Activate or Switch Device page";*
5) Select that you want to activate a device that has not been on your account before, type in the IMEI of the phone ordered for Line 2 (using Line 1's upgrade in Step 1) and the SIM card number of the SIM card that shipped with the phone and follow the directions to activate Line 2's new phone on Line 2;
6) Then click activate or switch a device, select Line 1 - it should ask you if you want to activate or verify the new device that was just shipped to you - you click "No, I want to activate a different device" or "Not activating my new device at this time, take me to the Activate or Switch Device page";*
7) Select that you want to activate a device that has not been on your account before, type in the IMEI of the phone ordered for Line 1 (using Line 2's upgrade in Step 2) and the SIM card number of the SIM card that shipped with the phone and follow the directions to activate Line 1's new phone on Line 1.

* Here is a screenshot: http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2950410&d=1413333262

You would not click "Next" rather you would click the blue link in the sentence "Not activating my new device at this time, take me to the Activate or Switch Device page."

In the past people got a screen where they would choose, "No, I am activating a different device" rather than choosing to activate the new device that had just shipped.

If both lines will have the same new phone, it is absolutely crucial that you keep the phones straight and do not activate them on the lines they were ordered on. IN FACT, you can NEVER put a subsidized phone on the UDP line it was ordered on when you order through Verizon!

Here are the rest of FlyingArrow's posts about the FAM [androidcentral.com].

Here [androidcentral.com]is another post on AC about the FAM.


1/2 of Flying Arrow Method

You can do 1/2 of FAM if you have a line situation like this (you can have additional lines, too) and the SIM card size of the new smartphone you are ordering for L2 is different from the SIM card size of the 4G LTE phone that is active on L2:

L1: UDP 3G/4G LTE phone Yes
L2: UDP 4G LTE phone Yes/No


1) Through Verizon online, order the new smartphone UDP L2 wants using L1's upgrade on L1, picking the 2GB data plan for L1 and have it shipped to home not shipped to store DO NOT EVER SELECT A MORE EVERYTHING PLAN - if that is your only option, switch browsers or try ordering through the iconic portal or the comcast link.;
2) When the new smartphone arrives, do not turn it on or plug it in, rather log onto Verizon online and click activate or switch a device;
3) Select UDP L2 - it should ask you if you want to activate or verify the new device that was just shipped to you - you click "No, I want to activate a different device" or "Not activating my new device at this time, take me to the Activate or Switch Device page";* and
4) Select that you want to activate a device that has not been on your account before, type in the IMEI of the new phone ordered for L2 (using L1's upgrade in Step 1) and the SIM card number of the SIM card that shipped with the new phone and follow the directions to activate the new phone on L2.

* Here is a screenshot: http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2950410&d=1413333262

You would not click "Next" rather you would click the blue link in the sentence "Not activating my new device at this time, take me to the Activate or Switch Device page."

In the past people got a screen where they would choose, "No, I am activating a different device" rather than choosing to activate the new device that had just shipped.


Aohus Method (variation of the Flying Arrow Method)
(for accounts with at least 2 UDP lines)

You can do Aohus if you have a line situation like this (you can have additional lines, too) and the SIM card sizes of the 4G LTE phone on L1 and the new smartphone you are ordering are the same size:

L1: UDP 4G LTE phone Yes or No
L2: UDP 3G or 4G LTE phone Yes


1) Have a 4G LTE phone active on UDP Line 1 before you order;
2) Through Verizon online, order the new smartphone UDP Line 1 wants using UDP Line 2's upgrade on UDP Line 2, picking the 2GB data plan for UDP Line 2 and have it shipped to home not shipped to store DO NOT EVER SELECT A MORE EVERYTHING PLAN - if that is your only option, switch browsers or try ordering through the iconic portal or the comcast link.;
3) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
4) Place the 4G LTE SIM card that is currently active on UDP Line 1 into the new smartphone and turn it on.

The result is that UDP Line 2's contract will be extended by 2 years and both lines will keep UDP. You can NEVER use the subsidized phone on the UDP line it was ordered on. NEVER.


Best Buy Method

You can do the BB Method if you have a line situation like this (you can have additional lines, too):

L1: UDP 4G LTE phone Yes

You have to pick a new data plan every where except for Best Buy - IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH ONE YOU PICK!!!! Please do NOT ask about this on the thread. If you are uncomfortable picking a new data plan, then order from Best Buy.


1) Have a 4G LTE phone active on your UDP line before you order;
2) Through a 3rd party retailer online,* order a new smartphone using your UDP line's upgrade and have it shipped to home not shipped to store;
3) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
4) Place the 4G LTE SIM card that is currently active on your UDP line into the new smartphone and turn it on.

* if you get an email or phone call after you order from Best Buy saying they could not process your order and they need for you to call them, do not call them - it is best to cancel the order. They will likely try to involve Verizon and the Verizon rep will manually kick you off of your UDP. If you get such an email or phone call, after you cancel the order check to make sure your Verizon balance is paid off in full, that your shipping and billing address of your credit card match and that you used the proper account passcode. If all of those things are true, you may have been randomly selected for them to manually process your order. If so, you will be kicked off of UDP if you call them and give them your Verizon info. You can try replacing the order and seeing what happens, but if you repeatedly get the email/call, then I believe you have been selected for a manual order. Idk if this is a BB quality assurance thing or a Verizon thing, but I suspect it is a BB QA thing because it only happens with BB not any of the other 3rd party retailers [UPDATE - AMAZON HAS STARTED DOING THIS, TOO!]. If it repeatedly happens to you at BB, your option is to choose another 3rd party retailer to order from or to use the Switzma Method. You also can use the 4ever Method if you have a TDP line.

DO NOT ORDER FROM COSTCO OR MOTOROLA IF YOU ARE DOING ANY OF THE BEST BUY OR UDVZWIP4 METHODS AS 3 PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR UDP BEFORE THE PHONE EVEN SHIPPED!!!! COSTCO IS RANDOMLY CHECKING THESE ORDERS AND MANUALLY SWITCHING PEOPLE OFF OF UDP!!!! MOTOROLA IS DOING THIS TOO!!!!

Many people upgrading through apple.com using the Best Buy Method are getting this error message when they go to activate or switch a device on their line after upgrading through apple.com:

"Your request cannot be completed. We cannot process your request at this time, please try again later."

This error results in you not being able to activate or switch a device on your line yourself and having to involve Verizon. However, people are reporting that it falls off of your line eventually.


Here are screen shots of the Best Buy Method - however, it says to check out as Guest. You don't need to do that - you can log into your BB account and check out through your BB account and get the rewards points and promotional gift cards if any.

http://imgur.com/a/CnCX3



UDVZWIP4 Method

THE UDVZWIP4 METHOD WILL NOT WORK IF YOU UPGRADE THROUGH APPLE.COM!

ALSO PEOPLE WHO HAVE 3G PHONES ARE REPORTING THAT THEY ARE BEING FORCED TO PICK A NEW DATA PLAN IF THEY TRY TO USE THE UDVZWIP4 METHOD. SO IF YOU HAVE A 3G PHONE, THIS METHOD WILL NOT WORK FOR YOU.


UPDATE - 10 posters who had a GNex, S3, Razr M, Razr Maxx, Thunderbolt, Note3, Droid DNA, HTC Rezound or a Droid Bionic on their lines and attempted the UDVZWIP4 or other methods in the OP received the pick a new data plan message despite the GNex, S3, Thunderbolt, DNA, Rezound and Bionic being 4G LTE phones. If this happens to you when you are attempting the UDVZWIP4 method and you have a 4G LTE phone on the line, the solution is to cut down the already active SIM card (or use an adapter depending on the SIM card sizes) and use the already active SIM card to activate the phone or to do the Best Buy Method For Mismatched SIM Card Sizes. Calling Verizon to activate a SIM card is NOT an option but taking your new phone to a VAR and paying them to activate it on your UDP line is an option. In all likelihood, the S3 and any 4G LTE phone that was released prior to the S3 are going to cause this problem. There may be some phones released after the S3 that cause this problem too, so please report back if you run into this problem so that the list can be edited to reflect that.

UPDATE - 1 poster who attempted UDVZWIP4 with a 3G phone on the line was able to finally get the new 4G LTE smartphone active on the 3G line by first activating it using another line's already active SIM card, then using the new SIM card ordered from Verizon to put the other line's 4G LTE phone on the 3G line and then doing a SIM swap. The steps are outlined below in the Kballa Method.


Both UDVZWIP4and another poster confirmed it worked.

You can do UDVZWIP4 Method if you have a line situation like this (you can have additional lines, too) and if the SIM card size of the new phone you are ordering is different from the SIM card size of the 4G LTE phone that is already active on UDP L1:

L1: UDP 4G LTE phone Yes


It is explained here and these are the step-by-step instructions:

1) Have a 4G LTE phone active on your UDP line before you order;
2) Order a new SIM card that is the correct size for the new phone you will be ordering by calling Verizon and having one shipped to you or buy one from a VAR;
3) Order the new phone using a UDP line's upgrade on a UDP line from a 3rd party retailer ship to home;
4) When the new phone arrives, do not turn it on or plug it in, remove the SIM card that ships with the phone and destroy it;
5) Log onto Verizon online and click activate or switch a device;
6) If you are asked do you want to activate or verify the phone that just shipped to you, click on "No, I want to activate a different device" or "Not activating my new device at this time, take me to the Activate or Switch Device page" (you may or may not be asked this);
7) Click you want to activate a device that has not been on your account b/f;
8) Type in the IMEI of the device and SIM card number of the SIM card you ordered in Step 1; and
9) Continue to follow the instructions.

If you cannot activate the SIM card online, your options are to either cut down your existing SIM card or go to a VAR and pay them to activate the new smartphone on your UDP line. Those are your only options. If you call Verizon to activate the SIM card, you WILL lose UDP. Calling Verizon to activate a SIM card is NOT an option but taking your new phone to a VAR and paying them to activate it on your UDP line is an option.


Best Buy Method for 3G Phones

L1: UDP 3G phone Yes


1) Through a 3rd party retailer online, order a new smartphone using your UDP line's upgrade and have it shipped to home not shipped to store;
2) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
3) Take the new smartphone to a VAR and pay them to activate a new SIM card in the new smartphone on your UDP line.


Best Buy Method For Mismatched SIM Card Sizes

You can do Best Buy Method For Mismatched SIM Card Sizes if you have a line situation like this (you can have additional lines, too) and if the SIM card size of the new phone you are ordering is smaller than the SIM card size of the 4G LTE phone that is already active on UDP L1:

L1: UDP 4G LTE phone Yes


1) Through a 3rd party retailer online, order a new smartphone using your UDP line's upgrade and have it shipped to home not shipped to store;
2) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
3) Take the new smartphone to a VAR and pay them to activate the new smartphone on your UDP line.


If the SIM card size of the new phone is larger than the old phone, you can simply buy an adapter off of ebay/amazon and do the Best Buy Method using your current SIM card in an adapter to activate the new phone. When you go to purchase an adapter, be sure to check where the seller is located b/c the sellers in china can take a month or more to get an item to you due to international shipping delays.


Jaycemiskel Method For Mismatched SIM Cards

1) Have a 4G LTE phone active on your UDP line before you order;
2) Through a 3rd party retailer, order a new smartphone using a basic phone line's upgrade and have it shipped to home not shipped to store;
3) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
4) Take the new smartphone to a VAR and pay them to activate the new smartphone on your UDP line.

If the SIM card size of the new phone is larger than the old phone, you can simply buy an adapter off of ebay/amazon and do the Jaycemiskel Method using your current SIM card in an adapter to activate the new phone. When you go to purchase an adapter, be sure to check where the seller is located b/c the sellers in china can take a month or more to get an item to you due to international shipping delays.

Jaycemiskel does not result in the basic line being stuck with a minimum $30/mo 2 year data plan commitment.
UPDATE: Two posters reported activating a different basic device on the basic line 2 months after successfully doing jaycemiskel thru apple.com and bestbuy.com and when they dialed *228 to complete the activation, a 2GB data plan appeared on the basic line that had not been there before and could not be removed. So it looks like you cannot activate a different device on the basic line after doing Jaycemiskel thru a 3rd party retailer w/o getting stuck with the 2 year data plan commitment. The same is likely true if you do MichaelJ method. It may or may not be true if you do Jaycemiskel or Krnsamiam thru Verizon but until someone does it and reports back, there is no way to know for sure.

If you need to activate a different basic phone on your basic line after you do Jaycemiskel, you can try blocking data on the line to see if that will block the data plan. If it does not, you can port your phone number to page plus for about $12 using the basic phone that is currently on the line. That will terminate the basic line and you will owe the ETF. But then you can add a no contract basic line back and port the number in from page plus. Then you can do Jaycemiskel again to get an iPhone to sell to recoup most or even all of the ETF depending on how much you can sell the iPhone for.

DO NOT DO JAYCEMISKEL THROUGH AMAZON BECAUSE YOU WILL TRIGGER THE SECONDARY ETF

IF YOU ACTIVATE A SMARTPHONE ON THE BASIC LINE YOU WILL BE STUCK WITH A MINIMUM $30/mo 2 YEAR DATA PLAN COMMITMENT ON THE BASIC LINE.



Switzma Method for 3G Phones

L1: UDP 3G phone Yes
L2: Basic No

1) Log onto Best Buy online and transfer UDP Line 1's upgrade to Basic Line 2;
2) Order the new smartphone you want for Line 1 on Line 2, ship to home (you should not have to select a data plan for L2);
3) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
4) Take the new smartphone to a VAR and pay them to activate the new smartphone on your UDP line.


Jaycemiskel Method for 3G Phones

L1: UDP 3G phone Yes/No
L2: Basic Yes


1) Through a 3rd party retailer online, order a new smartphone using your basic line's upgrade and have it shipped to home not shipped to store;
2) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
3) Take the new smartphone to a VAR and pay them to activate the new smartphone on your UDP line.

Jaycemiskel does not result in the basic line being stuck with a minimum $30/mo 2 year data plan commitment.
UPDATE: Two posters reported activating a different basic device on the basic line 2 months after successfully doing jaycemiskel through apple.com and bestbuy.com and when they dialed *228 to complete the activation, a 2GB data plan appeared on the basic line that had not been there before and could not be removed. So it looks like you cannot activate a different device on the basic line after doing Jaycemiskel thru a 3rd party retailer w/o getting stuck with the 2 year data plan commitment. The same is likely true if you do the MichaelJ Method. It may or may not be true if you do Jaycemiskel or Krnsamiam through Verizon but until someone does it and reports back, there is no way to know for sure.



Kballa Method

L1: UDP 3G phone Yes
L2: UDP 4G LTE phone having the same size SIM card as the new smartphone that will be ordered* Yes or No


1) Order a new SIM card from Verizon that is the correct size for the new smartphone that you will be ordering on L1 or buy one from a VAR;
2) Upgrade L1 through a 3rd party retailer online selecting the 2GB data plan for L1 and ship to home - if you are ordering through Best Buy, you can keep existing plan;
3) When the new smartphone arrives, without turning it on or plugging it in, remove the SIM card it ships with and destroy it;
4) Power down L2's current phone, remove its SIM card and place L2's already active SIM card in the new smartphone to activate it on L2 and make phone calls/text to ensure it is fully activated;
5) Log onto Verizon online and click activate or switch devices, select L1, select activating a phone that has been on the account before, select L2's old smartphone from the drop down menu and type in the SIM card number of the new SIM card you ordered from Verizon to activate L2's old smartphone on L1; and
6) After at least an hour of having the phones active on the lines, power down the phones and swap SIM cards b/t the new smartphone and L2's old smartphone to get them on L1 and L2 respectively.

* for simplicity's sake in writing out the method, it was limited to smartphones with the same size SIM card. It would be very complicated to do if the SIM cards weren't the same size and/or 1 phone used a non-NFC SIM and other used an NFC SIM.



Switzma Method

You can do Switzma Method if you have a line situation like this (you can have additional lines, too):

L1: UDP 4G LTE phone Yes
L2: UDP/basic 3G, 4G LTE phone or basic phone No

Switzma Method is particularly useful if you get the "problem with your order" email from Best Buy when you attempt the BB Method on L1.

Switzma method will not result in the basic line being stuck with a 2 year data plan commitment on it because you keep existing plan on the basic line, remove the SIM card that ships with the phone and you never activate a smartphone on the basic line.


1) Have a 4G LTE phone active on your UDP Line 1 before you order;
2) Log onto Best Buy and transfer your UDP Line 1's upgrade to another UDP/basic Line 2;
3) Order the new smartphone you want for Line 1 on Line 2;
4) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
5) Place the 4G LTE SIM card that is currently active on your UDP Line 1 into the new smartphone and turn it on.


Switzma Method for MisMatched SIM Card Sizes

Switzma method will not result in the basic line being stuck with a 2 year data plan commitment on it because you keep existing plan on the basic line, remove the SIM card that ships with the phone and you never activate a smartphone on the basic line.


1) Log onto Best Buy and transfer your UDP line's upgrade to a basic line on your account;
2) Order the new smartphone you want for the UDP line on the basic line;
3) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
4) Take the new smartphone to a VAR and pay them to activate the new smartphone for you on your UDP line.


MichaelJ Method

L1: 4G LTE UDP Yes or No
L2: 3G/4G LTE/basic UDP/basic Yes

1) Have a 4G LTE phone active on UDP Line 1;
2) Order a new SIM card from Verizon for the phone that you want to put on Line 1 or buy one from a VAR;
3) When the new SIM card arrives, through a 3rd Party Retailer online, order the new smartphone Line 1 wants using UDP/basic Line 2's upgrade on Line 2, picking the 2GB data plan for Line 2 and have it shipped to home not shipped to store - if ordering through Best Buy you can select keep existing plan rather than the 2GB data plan;
4) When the new smartphone arrives, do not turn it on or plug it in, remove the SIM card it shipped with and destroy it;
5) log onto Verizon online and click Activate or Switch a device; and
6) Select Line 1, "I am activating a device that I have not used with this account", type in the IMEI of the new phone ordered for Line 1 (using Line 2's upgrade in Step 3) and the SIM card number of the SIM card that you ordered from Verizon and follow the directions to activate the new phone on Line 1.

DO NOT DO MICHAELJ THROUGH AMAZON BECAUSE YOU WILL TRIGGER THE SECONDARY ETF

IF YOU ACTIVATE A SMARTPHONE ON THE BASIC LINE YOU WILL BE STUCK WITH A MINIMUM $30/mo 2 YEAR DATA PLAN COMMITMENT ON THE BASIC LINE.


Jaycemiskel Method

1) Have a 4G LTE phone active on your UDP line before you order;
2) Through a 3rd party retailer or Verizon online, order a new smartphone using a basic phone line's upgrade and have it shipped to home not shipped to store;
3) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
4) Place the 4G LTE SIM card that is currently active on your UDP line into the new smartphone and turn it on.

Jaycemiskel does not result in the basic line being stuck with a minimum $30/mo 2 year data plan commitment.
UPDATE: Two posters reported activating a different basic device on the basic line 2 months after successfully doing jaycemiskel thru apple.com and bestbuy.com and when they dialed *228 to complete the activation, a 2GB data plan appeared on the basic line that had not been there before and could not be removed. So it looks like you cannot activate a different device on the basic line after doing Jaycemiskel thru a 3rd party retailer w/o getting stuck with the 2 year data plan commitment. The same is likely true if you do MichaelJ method. It may or may not be true if you do Jaycemiskel or Krnsamiam thru Verizon but until someone does it and reports back, there is no way to know for sure.

If you need to activate a different basic phone on your basic line after you do Jaycemiskel, you can try blocking data on the line to see if that will block the data plan. If it does not, you can port your phone number to page plus for about $12 using the basic phone that is currently on the line. That will terminate the basic line and you will owe the ETF. But then you can add a no contract basic line back and port the number in from page plus. Then you can do Jaycemiskel again to get an iPhone to sell to recoup most or even all of the ETF depending on how much you can sell the iPhone for.


DO NOT DO JAYCEMISKEL THROUGH AMAZON BECAUSE YOU WILL TRIGGER THE SECONDARY ETF

IF YOU ACTIVATE A SMARTPHONE ON THE BASIC LINE YOU WILL BE STUCK WITH A MINIMUM $30/mo 2 YEAR DATA PLAN COMMITMENT ON THE BASIC LINE.


Krnsamiam Method

1) Through Verizon online, order the new smartphone the UDP Line wants using a basic line's upgrade on the basic line, picking the 2GB data plan for the basic line and have it shipped to home not shipped to store DO NOT EVER SELECT A MORE EVERYTHING PLAN - if that is your only option, switch browsers or try ordering through the iconic portal or the comcast link.;
2) When the new smartphone arrives, do not turn it on, rather log onto Verizon online and click activate or switch a device; and
3) Select the UDP Line and that you want to activate a device that has not been on your account before, type in the IMEI of the new smartphone and the SIM card number of the SIM card that shipped with the new smartphone and follow the directions to activate the new smartphone on the UDP line.

Krnsamiam does not result in the basic line being stuck with a minimum $30/mo 2 year data plan commitment.
UPDATE: Two posters reported activating a different basic device on the basic line 2 months after successfully doing jaycemiskel thru apple.com and bestbuy.com and when they dialed *228 to complete the activation, a 2GB data plan appeared on the basic line that had not been there before and could not be removed. So it looks like you cannot activate a different device on the basic line after doing Jaycemiskel thru a 3rd party retailer w/o getting stuck with the 2 year data plan commitment. The same is likely true if you do MichaelJ method. It may or may not be true if you do Jaycemiskel or Krnsamiam thru Verizon but until someone does it and reports back, there is no way to know for sure.


If the new smartphone you are getting has the same size SIM card as the phone that is currently on the UDP line, then the Verizon system will tell you to put your current SIM card into the new smartphone, thus resulting in you doing Jaycemiskel rather than Krnsamiam.

IMPORTANT: If when you click activate or switch devices you are asked if want to activate or verify the new phone that was just shipped to you - do not do that or you will be stuck with a minimum $30/mo 2 year data plan on the basic line. This will appear on the basic line and it is called a pending equipment order. You can see a screen shot of what it looks like in the instructions for the FAM.

IF YOU ACTIVATE A SMARTPHONE ON THE BASIC LINE YOU WILL BE STUCK WITH A MINIMUM $30/mo 2 YEAR DATA PLAN COMMITMENT ON THE BASIC LINE.


Neomits Method doesn't work after 11/14/14 see the memo below except for business accounts if you can order through Verizon - UPDATE: even if you can do the transfer online through Best Buy, Verizon blocks the upgrade on their end
http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3032790&d=1416078064
Neomits Method

1) Have a 4G LTE phone active on a TDP line before you order;
2) Through Verizon online, transfer a basic phone line's upgrade to a TDP line that is not currently eligible for its own upgrade;
3) Order a new smartphone on the TDP line and have it shipped to home not shipped to store;
4) When the new smartphone arrives, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
5) Place the 4G LTE SIM card that is currently active on your TDP line into the new smartphone and turn it on.

Frenzytom Method

1) Through Verizon online transfer UDP Line 1's upgrade to a basic line;
2) Pick the 2GB data plan for the basic line and order a new smartphone on the basic line ship to home DO NOT EVER SELECT A MORE EVERYTHING PLAN - if that is your only option, switch browsers or try ordering through the iconic portal or the comcast link.;
3) When you receive the new smartphone, remove the SIM card it ships with without turning it on or plugging it in; and
4) Activate the new smartphone on UDP Line 2.

I believe Step 4 could be accomplished either with a new SIM card or with the SIM card that is currently active on Line 2.

Now that I am thinking about this, it is not Switzma through Verizon but rather Flying Arrow with an upgrade transfer. Even though FAM and Aohus work, many people are nervous about picking a new data plan on a UDP line. Frenzytom Method avoids that as you pick the new data plan on the basic line.

And as long as you never activate the smartphone on the basic line, you don't get stuck with the 2 year data plan on the basic line.


FAQs

1) The 4G LTE SIM card in the smartphone I want to order with my upgrade is a nano SIM card but my current 4G LTE SIM card is a micro SIM card. Can I use these methods?

Yes. You can buy a SIM card cutter off of ebay/amazon and use it to cut down your micro SIM card to nano SIM card size and then use the cut down SIM card to activate your new phone.

You can cut your SIM card down free hand also. You may have to sand it down to be thinner, too. There are templates and YouTube tutorials on how to do this free hand, but the SIM card cutters are not expensive.

In addition, the safest approach when you are cutting down a SIM card is to buy a nano to micro SIM card adapter and when it arrives, cut down your micro SIM card BEFORE you order your new phone. Then place the cut down SIM card in the nano to micro SIM card adapter and back into your phone to test that you did not mess up the SIM card by cutting it down.

If you did mess up your SIM card by cutting it down, you can get a new one by taking your device into a VAR and they will activate a new one in your device for a fee.

You cannot obtain a new nano SIM from Verizon and activate it in an adapter in a phone that uses a micro SIM card because the reps will get an incompatible SIM card error that will prevent them from activating the nano SIM.


2) If I cut down my SIM card, can I mess it up so it won't work?

Any time you handle a SIM card you can mess it up.


3) If I cut down my SIM card, will it affect the secure elements for NFC transactions?

Well first off, if your SIM card is one of the older ones it won't have those to begin with. If you do have a newer SIM card with the secure elements, you can mess it up cutting/sanding it down if you do it wrong.


4) My current phone has a nano SIM card but the phone I want to order with my UDP upgrade has a micro SIM card. Can I use these methods?

One option you have is to buy a nano to micro SIM card adapter off of ebay/amazon and place your nano SIM card in it and use that to activate your new smartphone.


5) My current phone is a 3G phone and no one else on my family plan has a 4G LTE phone I can switch with. Can I use these methods?

You can do the Best Buy Method for 3G Phones.


6) I got ahold of a working Verizon 4G LTE phone that has a clean ESN and is not on another Verizon subscriber's line and it has a SIM card in it. How do I put it on my line?

Turn off your existing 3G phone, log onto your Verizon account online and reprogram the 4G LTE SIM card for your line. After logging on you:

1) click activate or switch a device;
2) select your line;
3) select that you are activating a device that has not been on your account before;
4) type in the IMEI of the device;
5) select that you have a SIM card for the device;
6) type in the SIM card number; and
7) continue to follow the instructions.

If the device has been on your account before, you can just select it from a drop down menu rather than typing in the IMEI of the device.

If you can't figure out how to do this, either call Verizon or take the phone into a Verizon corporate store and have them do it for you.



7) I got ahold of a working Verizon 4G LTE phone that has a clean ESN and is not on another Verizon subscriber's line but it doesn't have a SIM card in it. How do I put it on my line?

You will need to obtain a 4G LTE SIM card from Verizon for the phone. You can either call Verizon and have one mailed to you or take the phone into a Verizon corporate store and have them put a SIM card in it and put it on your line for you.

If you get the SIM card mailed to you, turn off your existing 3G phone, log onto your Verizon account online and program the 4G LTE SIM card for your line. After logging on you:

1) click activate or switch a device;
2) select your line;
3) select that you are activating a device that has not been on your account before;
4) type in the IMEI of the device;
5) select that you have a SIM card for the device;
6) type in the SIM card number; and
7) continue to follow the instructions.

If the device has been on your account before, you can just select it from a drop down menu rather than typing in the IMEI of the device.


8) My current phone is an iPhone 4s but it has a SIM card in it. Can I use that SIM card in these methods?

The iPhone 4 series are 3G phones and the SIM cards in the iPhone 4 series phones are not 4G LTE SIM cards. They are GSM SIM cards for use in international roaming on overseas GSM networks. These GSM SIM cards will not work in these methods.

The only iPhones that are Verizon 4G LTE devices and have Verizon 4G LTE SIM cards in them are the Verizon iPhone 5 and 6 series.


9) Why does the Best Buy Method work?

I am not a Verizon insider so I can only guess based on what I have observed and read. As best I can tell, the reason this works is because you are bypassing a switch order by using a previously activated SIM card. I believe the switch order contains the order to switch your data plan. Completion of the switch order is tied to the activation of the SIM card the phone ships with. If the SIM card the phone ships with never gets activated, the switch order never completes and your data plan stays the same. That is also why it is safest to destroy the SIM card the phone ships with so that it is never activated.


10) I keep getting an email from Best Buy when I place an online order through them saying there was a problem with my order and they need me to call them. Why is this happening to me?

If you have paid off your Verizon bill, your billing address on your credit card matches the shipping address, you haven't exceeded your credit limit on your credit card and you have used the proper billing passcode for your Verizon account, then you may have been randomly selected for a manual order. However, if you go through with that you will be switched off of UDP as a Verizon representative will be involved. Your best option is to cancel the order and try another 3rd party retailer or the Scyzek Method if you have a TDP line.


11) Why does the Scyzek Method work?

I am not a Verizon insider so I can only guess based on what I have observed and read. On 8/25/14 Verizon claimed they made changes to their system that would put a minimum $30/mo 2 year TDP requirement on a line if you used the line's upgrade to buy a subsidized smartphone. Their memo only showed the example of using a line's own upgrade; it did not show an example of what would happen if an upgrade transfer was done.

Subsequently people have reported that Verizon employees, notably supervisors and tier 2 tech support, have stated that under the new system if you transfer a UDP line's upgrade to another line and use it your UDP line's contract will be extended 2 years (which has always been the case) and you will also lose UDP because the UDP line would be subject to the minimum $30/mo TDP for 2 years. Since UDP is not a TDP nor is it a minimum of $30/mo (it is only $29.99/mo) they say you will be kicked off of UDP if you transfer your UDP line's upgrade and use it on another line.

With the Scyzek Method you transfer the UDP upgrade to a TDP line not currently eligible for its own upgrade, upgrade on the TDP line, remove the SIM the subsidized smartphone ships with and use the UDP line's SIM card to activate the new smartphone. Scyzek kept his UDP and did not see anything on his account to indicate that either his UDP or TDP lines now were subject to 2 year TDP requirements. I can only speculate that the order to add a 2 year minimum $30/mo TDP requirement to a line is somehow tied to the SIM card that the phone ships with (which is why it is safest to destroy the SIM card the phone ships with). I do not know which line would be subject to this requirement nor do I know if in fact Verizon made the changes to their system that they claim they made.


12) Why can't I transfer an upgrade to a line that is currently eligible for its own upgrade?

Because that is how Verizon has configured their system to work.


13) Can I transfer my UDP line's upgrade to a basic phone line and use the Scyzek Method?

The Scyzek Method involves the transfer of a UDP line's upgrade to a TDP line. So if you transferred your UDP line's upgrade to a basic phone line, you would be inventing your own method as no one has tried it yet. I would be very leary of upgrading to a smartphone on and adding a data plan to a basic phone line directly through Verizon because I would not want to be stuck with a 2 year data plan commitment on my basic phone line.


14) Why does the Jaycemiskel Method work?

I am not a Verizon insider so I can only guess based on what I have observed and read. I think it works for the same reason the Scyzek Method works - the order to add a 2 year minimum $30/mo TDP requirement to a line is somehow tied to the SIM card that the phone ships with (which is why it is safest to destroy the SIM card the phone ships with).
UPDATE: Two posters reported activating a different basic device on the basic line 2 months after successfully doing jaycemiskel thru apple.com and bestbuy.com and when they dialed *228 to complete the activation, a 2GB data plan appeared on the basic line that had not been there before and could not be removed. So it looks like you cannot activate a different device on the basic line after doing Jaycemiskel thru a 3rd party retailer w/o getting stuck with the 2 year data plan commitment. The same is likely true if you do MichaelJ method. It may or may not be true if you do Jaycemiskel or Krnsamiam thru Verizon but until someone does it and reports back, there is no way to know for sure.



15) Can I use the Jaycemiskel Method to order through Verizon?

Yes.
UPDATE: Two posters reported activating a different basic device on the basic line 2 months after successfully doing jaycemiskel thru apple.com and bestbuy.com and when they dialed *228 to complete the activation, a 2GB data plan appeared on the basic line that had not been there before and could not be removed. So it looks like you cannot activate a different device on the basic line after doing Jaycemiskel thru a 3rd party retailer w/o getting stuck with the 2 year data plan commitment. The same is likely true if you do MichaelJ method. It may or may not be true if you do Jaycemiskel or Krnsamiam thru Verizon but until someone does it and reports back, there is no way to know for sure.


16) Will I get charged the upgrade fee if I use the Best Buy Method or the Jaycemiskel Method?

AFAIK no one has been charged the upgrade fee when they use the Best Buy Method and I suspect the same is true of the Jaycemiskel Method.
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UPDATE - UDVZWIP4 Method is not working any longer due to the line errors people are getting when ordering thru apple.com and bestbuy.com.

If you are using a UDP line's upgrade:

If you have a TDP line or a More Everything line on your account - the 4ever Method is the preferred method.

If you have a basic line on your account - Snkydvl or Switzma between the UDP line and a basic line are the preferred methods.

If you have at least 2 UDP lines and a basic line and want to use 1 UDP line's upgrade but put the new phone on a different line, you can do the FrenzyTom Method.

If you only have a single UDP line on your account - you can only do the Best Buy Method,, Best Buy for 3G Phones Method or Best Buy for MisMatched SIM Card Size Method.

If you have multiple UDP lines on your account but no other types of lines - you can do the Best Buy, Switzma, FAM or Aohus Methods.



If you are using a basic line's upgrade:

You can do Jaycemiskel, Krnsamiam or MichaelJ methods.
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OP, thank you for taking the time getting this information accurate as possible. So I would like to take my time to say thank you.

I have used the other thread to upgrade my Cousin's lines and you helped a lot in answering a lot of questions. I will be upgrading our Family line with 2 UDP next year. So I hope these methods will still work next year and that you will still be here moderating this thread. Smilie

Again thank you JulesJam TU!
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Thanks JulesJam for continuing this and being the "unlimited" resource and teacher!
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Thank you JulesJam, just in time for the release of the Galaxy S6.

I have a single line UDP w/ a Galaxy S3. It's mentioned to call verizon up and ask for another SIM card which according to gsmarena will be a nano sim card for the Galaxy S6. Can I instead take my micro sim card from my S3 and cut it down with a sim card cutter(plenty on ebay) to Nano specs and use that instead? Would that be safer than getting a new SIM card from Verizon? Thank you again for this timely update.
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Thanks, Jules for starting a new thread. Reps x4 for editing/maintaining this resource in order to make sure that all of the information is accurate.
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Thanks Jules for the new thread! Long live UDP!
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Subbed. Love what JulesJam has been doing for everyone.
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Thank you JulesJam, just in time for the release of the Galaxy S6.

I have a single line UDP w/ a Galaxy S3. It's mentioned to call verizon up and ask for another SIM card which according to gsmarena will be a nano sim card for the Galaxy S6. Can I instead take my micro sim card from my S3 and cut it down with a sim card cutter(plenty on ebay) to Nano specs and use that instead? Would that be safer than getting a new SIM card from Verizon? Thank you again for this timely update.
If you have a single line UDP, your options are either Best Buy Method or UDVZWIP4 Method. If you cut down your SIM card, you are doing BB Method. If you order a nano SIM card before you order the S6 and activate it in the S6 when it arrives, you are doing UDVZWIP4 Method.

If you are sure that the S6 will use a nano SIM card, I would get a nano to micro SIM card adapter and cut down the micro SIM card and put it in the adapter in the S3 before you order your S6 to make sure the cut down SIM card is working properly. That way if you mess it up, you can get a new SIM card w/o any issues and try again until you get it right.

I also would go ahead and get a nano SIM card before you order your S6. Then you can attempt UDVZWIP4 method when the S6 arrives and if it works, great. If not, you can use the cut down SIM card.
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Thanks all!

I will try to reorganize the information in the OP to help make it less daunting to read. It really is for everyone's own good that they read all that information. The last thing you want to do is have to file an inactive pricing request because you lost UDP. Who knows how long they will even grant those.
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Jules Jam- Thanks a million for the hard work. I understand you were not the OP from the first thread, but you have done the lions share of the work. I used the best buy method for the wife a few months back, but now I have a small problem. My phone was damaged at work, it fell off the bumper of my fire engine into the roadway and was ran over. I found the case smashed to bits the next day, but no phone. I need to replace it, but it was UDP. I now do not have access to the SIM card for swapping. How should I proceed to keep my UDP. I have a 3G phone I can put on the line if necessary.

Line 1- UDP Samsung S3 Shows early upgrade eligible on Verizon website, NON edge (Smashed)
Line 2- UDP Iphone 5s No upgrade
Line 3- BASIC - Upgrade available

Thoughts?
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First off, thank you Jules for keeping this up-to-date and providing advice!

So in summary from the old thread, I upgrade a line on a family plan from a Razr M to the iPhone 6, originally utilizing the UDVZWIP4 method. However, during the online activation, it was registered that I was coming from a 3G phone so the I was getting the incompatible data plan error. Therefore, I bit the bullet and cut down my existing micro-SIM to nano-size and was able to activate the new iphone (essentially via the Best Buy method).

Now on to the issue. LTE data works, my account shows the new iphone on the number and the UDP still seems to be intact. However, under settings on the iPhone, I'm getting the "My Number: Unknown" and the "Network: Not Available" under settings. The carrier name isn't showing up next to the signal strength at the upper left of the screen. I'm getting just LTE instead of Verizon LTE. Calls work in/out. Texts work in/out. Data works. But this issue means that I'm pretty much out of luck for FaceTime and iMessage which needs the phone to successfully "know" your phone number. I'm not sure if this is tied to the upgrade, or it's just a Verizon/Apple issue. Not having much like resolving it (tried SIM pull, factory reset, and all the settings tricks). Anyone have any insight into this? I've seen some info out there from awhile back that relates this to PRL issues.
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Jules Jam- Thanks a million for the hard work. I understand you were not the OP from the first thread, but you have done the lions share of the work. I used the best buy method for the wife a few months back, but now I have a small problem. My phone was damaged at work, it fell off the bumper of my fire engine into the roadway and was ran over. I found the case smashed to bits the next day, but no phone. I need to replace it, but it was UDP. I now do not have access to the SIM card for swapping. How should I proceed to keep my UDP. I have a 3G phone I can put on the line if necessary.

Line 1- UDP Samsung S3 Shows early upgrade eligible on Verizon website, NON edge (Smashed)
Line 2- UDP Iphone 5s No upgrade
Line 3- BASIC - Upgrade available

Thoughts?
First, what phone are you getting?

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Now on to the issue. LTE data works, my account shows the new iphone on the number and the UDP still seems to be intact. However, under settings on the iPhone, I'm getting the "My Number: Unknown" and the "Network: Not Available" under settings. The carrier name isn't showing up next to the signal strength at the upper left of the screen. I'm getting just LTE instead of Verizon LTE. Calls work in/out. Texts work in/out. Data works. But this issue means that I'm pretty much out of luck for FaceTime and iMessage which needs the phone to successfully "know" your phone number. I'm not sure if this is tied to the upgrade, or it's just a Verizon/Apple issue. Not having much like resolving it (tried SIM pull, factory reset, and all the settings tricks). Anyone have any insight into this? I've seen some info out there from awhile back that relates this to PRL issues.
Does your iPhone show up on your line when you log into your account online? Can you enable HD Voice on the line?
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First, what phone are you getting?
Either an S5 (Micro SIM) or a Iphone variant (nano Sim), I haven't quite decided yet. The S3 had a Micro. Am I going to need to order one before I proceed?
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