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Tankless water heater pipe freeze prevention

32,000 3,053 December 30, 2017 at 03:41 PM
So a few years ago I built a new house. I live in the South, so the days we live under 32 degrees for any period of time are limited.

However, our forecast is for about a week with a high never breaking 30 degrees, and lows near zero.

I have a Rinnai tankless water heater on the side of my house, and I love it. Being the only guy in a house full of chicks it ensures that I always get a hot shower. Best. Invention. Ever.

But, the a few feet of pipes are exposed and are just wrapped in foam, with a metal cover for the water heater between those pipes and the freezing temperatures outside.

I need an easy solution to keep the pipes defrozenified. I bought some heat tape at Lowe's, but the shortest run was 6' and there is absolutely NO way I can get six feet of tape on those pipes.

I'm thinking maybe a 100W ceramic lizard warmer in a ceramic light sock plugged into that outlet might work. I'm open to other suggestions though, as I now some of you folks live in areas that see more days below zero than above.

Suggestions?

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sawinstead
12-30-2017 at 03:44 PM.
12-30-2017 at 03:44 PM.
Electric Heat trace on a thermostat is the only sure way
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12-30-2017 at 03:48 PM.
12-30-2017 at 03:48 PM.
Quote from sawinstead :
Electric Heat trace on a thermostat is the only sure way
Are you aware of a fairly inexpensive consumer-grade version with easy availability that will cover about two feet of piping at a reasonable cost?
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12-30-2017 at 03:52 PM.
12-30-2017 at 03:52 PM.
I'm kinda thinking this [amazon.com] installed in one of these [amazon.com] would work.
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12-30-2017 at 05:24 PM.
12-30-2017 at 05:24 PM.
I have a couple small cattle waterers, one is like the one here, the other has one bigger opening instead of two small, https://www.bigiron.com/Lots/Ritc...ainCleaner . There's a hydrant head just above ground level and an outlet, this sits over that. The metal is basically as thick as the top lid part. Mine didn't have insulation, but I did stuff some in, not a very good job (no issues, just knew the heat would run less with insulation, common sense). They sit in the open. Tonight is going to be -12, tomorrow depending who you believe, might be -19. Sometimes below zero with 40mph+ wind. If it's going to be windy, I do close the lid and cover with a tarp, but that is only to keep the exposed water from freezing on the surface, the bottom part doesn't bother. Initially, used one like this in both, https://www.farmandfleet.com/prod...eater.html . One quit, didn't have another spare. I put in a small cube fan heater. Looking at your picture, the one I used would probably fit in it. I like it better I think, it keeps the water thawed out more, circulates warm air over the pipes, and I don't think it runs as much as the other. It's been working about 5 years. I didn't look online for that one, but it would be with the ~1500 watt milkhouse type heaters.

I don't know what it needs for airflow to work, but any unneeded I'd block up a little. Also, tarp or blanket covering it to keep it out of the wind. Of course, other options would probably be better, but if I'd need something temporary like that, I'd slap something together with what I had on hand. Hotplate should work too for instance.
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12-30-2017 at 05:48 PM.
12-30-2017 at 05:48 PM.
Quote from 1two3 :
I have a couple small cattle waterers, one is like the one here, the other has one bigger opening instead of two small, https://www.bigiron.com/Lots/Ritc...ainCleaner . There's a hydrant head just above ground level and an outlet, this sits over that. The metal is basically as thick as the top lid part. Mine didn't have insulation, but I did stuff some in, not a very good job (no issues, just knew the heat would run less with insulation, common sense). They sit in the open. Tonight is going to be -12, tomorrow depending who you believe, might be -19. Sometimes below zero with 40mph+ wind. If it's going to be windy, I do close the lid and cover with a tarp, but that is only to keep the exposed water from freezing on the surface, the bottom part doesn't bother. Initially, used one like this in both, https://www.farmandfleet.com/prod...eater.html . One quit, didn't have another spare. I put in a small cube fan heater. Looking at your picture, the one I used would probably fit in it. I like it better I think, it keeps the water thawed out more, circulates warm air over the pipes, and I don't think it runs as much as the other. It's been working about 5 years. I didn't look online for that one, but it would be with the ~1500 watt milkhouse type heaters.

I don't know what it needs for airflow to work, but any unneeded I'd block up a little. Also, tarp or blanket covering it to keep it out of the wind. Of course, other options would probably be better, but if I'd need something temporary like that, I'd slap something together with what I had on hand. Hotplate should work too for instance.
I don't know where the Hell you live, but I'll take 95°/100% humidity and day over that. Cold laugh out loud
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12-30-2017 at 05:53 PM.
12-30-2017 at 05:53 PM.
I'm not agonna lie, I like the look of that thing. I suspect it would work great. What's the output heat on it?
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Iaaaiws
12-30-2017 at 05:54 PM.
12-30-2017 at 05:54 PM.
Having lived up north for most of my life I find it bizarre seeing anything water related installed outside. laugh out loud

I think you have the right idea with using a bulb inside the box. That would keep the water inside the heating unit from freezing as well. Putting heat tape just on the short water lines would work for those but maybe not protect the rest of the heater. I assume there are coils inside the heater that the water circulates through to be heated?

But I did find a couple of 3-foot heating cables just in case.

https://www.amazon.com/M-D-Buildi...heat+cable

https://www.amazon.com/Easy-Heat-...R30VG4MGXC
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12-30-2017 at 05:59 PM.
12-30-2017 at 05:59 PM.
Quote from Ms.arteest :
I don't know where the Hell you live, but I'll take 95°/100% humidity and day over that. Cold laugh out loud
Humidity like that pretty much is Hell. Crazy
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12-30-2017 at 06:09 PM.
12-30-2017 at 06:09 PM.
Way back in the dark ages (you know, when I was a young'un) we'd hang a drop-lamp/work-lamp with a 100-watt bulb in the pump house and leave it turned on. Kept it plenty warm enough.
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euuser3818772
12-30-2017 at 06:10 PM.
12-30-2017 at 06:10 PM.
What kinda pipes? Copper, PVC?

If its boxed, might be cheaper per watt to use an electric stove. Put some wood chips on top, smoke some meat.
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User1858048
12-30-2017 at 06:18 PM.
12-30-2017 at 06:18 PM.
Quote from Ms.arteest :
I don't know where the Hell you live, but I'll take 95°/100% humidity and day over that. Cold laugh out loud
You get used to it. It's usually a dry cold so it's not that bad.

Quote from The Raddish :
I'm not agonna lie, I like the look of that thing. I suspect it would work great. What's the output heat on it?
I don't know what mine is, but I'd guess about 500 is it. I might have an old broken one sitting somewhere I could check, if it still has a sticker or indication on it, but I'm not opening my waterer unless I have to. Smilie It's been more than 5 years since I've looked at that one, I have the thermostat set on the lower end too, and the area under the water is a fair amount bigger than what you have there (plus it keeps the water above it not frozen). Also used that type of heater in the chicken waterer base for many years (currently don't have any).

There are some different ones here of course.
https://www.amazon.com/Allied-Pre...B000BDB4UQ

https://www.amazon.com/TROJAN-SPE...B002E3D1ZC

You can look around online, or in Home Depot type stores, but if you want something different, this type of thing, I'd look in a Tractor Supply type store. When I last looked at them here they were about $20 in the Tractor Supply type store around this area.
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Ms.arteest
12-30-2017 at 06:25 PM.
12-30-2017 at 06:25 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
Humidity like that pretty much is Hell. Crazy
Yeah, it makes cold seem way worse than it is, too. I have trouble breathing when it's really dry. Kicks my asthma into high gear. Guess I'm part duck. laugh out loud The joke around here is that we all have webbed feet so we can walk through the humidity. It's gong to get into the 20s this coming week and it's been raining for days. We'll just be a giant ice rink. Guess that seems mild compared to your weather.
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12-30-2017 at 08:34 PM.
12-30-2017 at 08:34 PM.
Quote from The Raddish :
I'm not agonna lie, I like the look of that thing. I suspect it would work great. What's the output heat on it?
It is Allied 500 watt. Suppose they don't make them like they used to. As long as you can block moving air, it doesn't take much.

-4 is the high tomorrow.
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medicchick
12-31-2017 at 12:20 PM.
12-31-2017 at 12:20 PM.
We use hanging work lights with a normal bulb that gets hot in Nevada. I've never had a problem as long as it's on. You can also leave a few taps to drip a bit to keep water moving.
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