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Costco Members: HP 14" Laptop: i3-1005G1, 4GB DDR4, 128GB SSD, Win 10 S

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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jackt
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I've already opened up and upgraded this laptop.


Removing the back cover to do upgrades:
There are 8 Philips-head screws altogether, all on the back cover. 4 of them are underneath the two rubber strips. The rubber strips are attached using double-sided tape with a strong adhesive, so be careful when removing them and try not to separate the tape from the rubber strip. Tip from @msk12: Heat up and loosen the adhesive before removing the rubber feet. I haven't done this before, but maybe a blow dryer or a cloth bag filled with microwaved uncooked rice would work. You don't need to completely remove the rubber strips- just peel back enough to expose the screws. There is an image of all the screw locations in the link below. Also be careful not to pull outward or pull very hard, as you'll stretch the rubber strip that way. Just very slowly but firmly pull it upward, almost as if you are rolling it off. You'll need a pretty thin plastic spudger to detach all the clips holding the bottom cover to the laptop. A credit card may be too thick. Photos of the inside of the laptop, the inside of the back cover, the screw locations, and where to use the spudger to remove the back cover: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv


CPU:
The CPU is indeed an i5-1035G4. I got two of them in Los Angeles and both have this CPU. At first I couldn't believe it, but I ran CPU-Z and it's definitely confirmed. On 11/15/19 two people confirmed that they received units with the same model number but with the i3 CPU. The side of the box will say which CPU is in the box- there are some posts in this thread showing a picture of the label on the side of the box. When buying at the warehouse, I recommend going to the merchandise pickup window first and asking to see the side of the box to confirm that it has the i5 CPU. Then ask them nicely to hold that box for a few minutes while you go pay for it at checkout.

One point of concern is that in the pre-installed HP Support Assistant app as well as on the motherboard it says "model number 14-dq1033cl". The spec sheet for that model on the HP website says the CPU is an Intel® Core™ i3-1005G1. https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06463284 Not sure what would happen if this computer needs a warranty motherboard/CPU replacement. if you check Windows System Information for the model number, it says "HP Laptop 14-dq1xxx".

Intel has had a lot of production problems with these 10nm Ice Lake chips. My theory on why this system has this upgraded CPU is that at the last minute Intel had trouble supplying the lower-end i3 chips so they or HP decided to just use these i5 chips so they can meet Costco's delivery expectations. HP would not normally pair this CPU with such little memory and slow SATA storage.


Integrated Graphics:
The new Ice Lake CPUs come with 3 integrated graphics options, as indicated by the last 2 characters in the CPU's model number:
- G1, basic
- G4, intermediate
- G7, highest level

G4 and G7 are labeled Iris Plus Graphics. This model has G4 graphics.


Storage:
The laptop comes with a M.2 SATA interface SSD, but I replaced it with a HP EX920 1TB NVMe SSD. The new SSD works just fine, so this laptop is compatible with NVMe drives. The easiest way to put Windows on a new SSD drive would be:
1) create a recovery thumb drive from the laptop itself, within Windows. Start menu > Recovery Drive
2) Swap out the SSD
3) Boot up to the USB drive. Just insert the thumb drive and turn on the laptop. It'll boot from the USB drive when it can't find an operating system on your new SSD drive.
4) Restore windows to the new SSD drive from the USB drive.

There are a number of posts in this thread with instructions on how to do a clean installation of Windows, which would install Windows without the bloatware that came with the laptop. It's easy to get stuck in a Catch-22 using this method, where you need to connect to the internet to exit S Mode before you can install the WiFi driver and all the other drivers, but you can't exit S Mode or connect to the internet until you've installed the WiFi driver. If you want to go this route, be sure to read the thread carefully and have a plan for installing the WiFi driver.

There is a space next to the battery where a 2.5" drive would fit, but if you look at the photo I attached of the inside of the back cover you'll see that there's a lattice-like grid on it to give that empty space some rigidity. I haven't tried, but it looks like you cannot put a 2.5" drive there.


Memory:
There are 2 upgradable SODIMM slots. No DRAM is soldered to the motherboard. The laptop comes with a single 4GB SODIMM, and 1 empty slot. I installed Crucial 16GB Kit (8GBx2) DDR4 2666 MT/s (PC4-21300) SR x8 SODIMM 260-Pin Memory - CT2K8G4SFS8266 and it works well. The Crucial website actually recommends DDR4 3200, but the 4GB SODIMM that came with the laptop is DDR4 2666.


WiFi/Bluetooth - Support for WiFi 6:
The laptop comes with a Realtek RTL8822CE 2x2 WiFi AC + BT 5 module. They're used in a lot of laptops, including models that are much more expensive than this one. However, there are definitely more complaints about problems with the Realtek wireless cards compared to the Intel cards on the HP support forums, so I decided to switch to an Intel card since I had the laptop opened up anyway. This laptop will work with an Intel WiFi AX200 WiFi 6 + Bluetooth 5 module. You're gonna need to have the AX200 driver on a thumb drive before you install the WiFi module, as you won't be able to connect to the internet to download the new driver after you replace the Realtek module that came with the laptop. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...Fi-6-AX200


No USB-C charging or DisplayPort/HDMI output via USB-C:
As per the specs, the USB-C port doesn't have Power Delivery or Extended USB-C capabilities (namely DisplayPort & HDMI output). So essentially the USB-C port functions like a regular USB 3.0 Type-A port. Someone in this thread tested this and confirmed that this model has no charging or video output through the USB-C port.


Fan noise:
I've been using two of these laptops for several days now. I'm pretty sensitive to fan noise because my prior laptop has a very quiet fan, even at its highest speed. The fan on this HP seems to have two or three speeds. The lowest speed I can only hear if I put my ear to the unit. I'm not even sure there is a low fan speed- I may just be hearing the components hum. The medium setting I find noticeable but not a big deal since I usually have music or a podcast on when I'm working. The high setting definitely is distracting. Both of my units have a very faint high-pitched whine when the fan is spinning at high, slightly more noticeable on one unit than the other.

After all the setting up and updating is done, when you're just using it, the fan doesn't ramp up that often. And when it does turn on, it doesn't stay on medium or high speed for very long. It runs quiet 90-95% of the time for me. This is for regular web browsing and office apps, either on my lap or on my desk connected to a DisplayLink device driving two 1920x1200 displays and a bunch of peripherals. When it's on my desk it's on a stand that's open underneath to allow for ventilation.


Loose and rattling touchpad:
One of my units came with a loose touchpad that made a clicking sound when I tapped on it very lightly. Here's how to fix a loose touchpad on this unit: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv
Start with the photo that says "Removing the battery"


DisplayLink bug and installing drivers not pre-approved by HP:
If you have one of those popular DisplayLink USB 3.0 docking stations, there's a bug with Chrome's hardware acceleration mode that causes a lot of lag on screens that are driven by the DisplayLink device. To fix it, you need to install the latest Intel graphics driver. HP blocks the usual method of running the downloaded executable, so you will have to download the driver ZIP file and install it in Device Manager.
Intel graphics driver ZIP file: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...uct=197599
Special instructions for installing the driver (regular method won't work): https://www.intel.co.uk/content/w...ivers.html
You can follow those same instructions to install drivers that HP hasn't vetted and approved yet, when the executable driver installation file doesn't work.


Changing from Windows 10 Home S Mode to regular Windows 10 Home:
Instructions here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-of-s-mode
Also, the BIOS it came with is F.04, which looks like the most current version. I downloaded the BIOS update from the HP website and installed it anyway for good measure. After I did that, it reverted my Windows installation back to S Mode and I could not get it to switch out of S mode. I had to reset Windows and then I was able to switch it out of S mode again. https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-reinstall
One major concern with this issue is that future BIOS updates may have the same bug, and setting up Windows all over again after having used the computer for a while may be a lot of work.


Costco Price Adjustment:
If you bought this laptop at $400 before it went on sale today for $280, Costco won't do a price adjustment for you because this sale is part of their holiday promo book and those items are limited to availability. So you'll have to buy a new one at the lower price and do a return with the previous $400 receipt. You can actually return the new unopened one you just bought using the old receipt.


Chase Freedom Card 5% Cash Back if used via Chase Pay connected to Samsung Pay:
If buying in-store and a) you have a Chase Freedom Card and b) you have Samsung Pay:
1) Activate the Q4 2019 bonus categories, which are a) department stores, b) PayPal, and c) Chase Pay
https://creditcards.chase.com/fre...cards/home
2) Connect your Freedom Card to Chase Pay
3) Connect Chase Pay to Samsung Pay
4) Connect your Freedom Card to Samsung Pay through Chase Pay. You can't just enter the card number directly into Samsung Pay.
5) Pay for your purchase using Samsung Pay. Be sure to select your Chase Freedom Card. You'll get 5% cash back.
kubavance
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You have clearly already checked out, and that's perfectly fine. I'm going to respond anyway to clear up what I consider to be some misconceptions regarding this $280 laptop. I'd hate for people to start second-guessing their purchase just because they read some negative comments.

I'm not going to make assumptions about how much you know about modern processors, so I'll just mention some basics. Ever since the invention of turbo boosting, pretty much all processors "throttle" under load. The CPU uses a complicated algorithm to determine which frequency each core should run at in any given moment. The algorithm takes into account power limits and temperature sensor data and the duration of heavy workloads, among other things.

Intel and to a lesser extent the device manufacturer can set power limits for the processor to make sure the processor can run safely in a given chassis. These are known as PL1 and PL2. The CPU can only run in PL2 for a limited time (we're talking seconds or minutes) before it has to throttle back to PL1 to maintain reasonable temperatures. From my very limited testing, it would appear that PL2 for this laptop is set at around 26W, and PL1 is around 18W. Remember, this is a 15W processor.

The new Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 has the Core i7 version of the same Ice Lake processor found in this HP, only its configured for 25W. This means that the Dell chassis has theoretically been designed to dissipate at least 10W more of heat. It's also an $1,800 laptop with 16GB of memory. It should have a huge advantage. According to notebookcheck's review (https://www.notebookcheck.net/Del...573.0.html), the Dell XPS 13 achieves a high score of ~830 the first several times you run Cinebench R15 before thermal soak sets in (meaning it gets capped to PL1), after which it scores about 660 consistently.

I just ran Cinebench R15 about 10 times in a row on my HP 14 and got about 580 consistently (first run was about 600). CPU power held steady at 18W and temperatures hovered around 75 degrees Celsius. That's not throttling--that's working as designed.

Are you really that disappointed that your $280 laptop (with a HUGE RAM disadvantage) only scores within 10-15% of an $1800 Dell?
SociableMusic247
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This one has g4 graphics and the 399$ one is a g1 - no upgrade can fix that.
120 $ can buy more than a 256 gb SSD and 4 gigs og RAM.
Also note that this has a better wifi module...

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cashcowsNov 12, 2019 02:30 AM
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Quote from hristopelov :
Here is The same 4GB Samsung RAM Stick [ebay.com] the laptop comes in for $12.40 FS, whoever wants to make it dual channel 2x4 2666MHz
Is this the cheapest price online right now for a matching 4GB stick?

I clicked around online and couldn't find a better deal, but my search wasn't exhaustive.
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cashcowsNov 12, 2019 02:31 AM
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Quote from WIckedNews :
Read post 494 on bloatware.

Did you try post 494?

"To Sum it up for the jet engine fan problem:
1/ go to bios and disable fan always on
2/disable the following serives:
-HP Analytics service
-HP App Helper HSA Service
-HP Network HSA Service
-HP System Info HSA Service
-Windows Search
3/go to task manager -> Startup -> an disable HpseuHostLauncher too.

That's all I did, and my fan rarely turn on watching 1080p youtube video with cpu utilization between 5% to 8%... CPU speed is mostly running at 0.95GHz"
We need to sticky in wiki...🤣
Nov 12, 2019 02:32 AM
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beermanpigNov 12, 2019 02:32 AM
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Quote from cashcows :
Is this the cheapest price online right now for a matching 4GB stick?

I clicked around online and couldn't find a better deal, but my search wasn't exhaustive.
yes i did the work for you, that is the cheapest, you did double check aswell, so get it
Nov 12, 2019 02:32 AM
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rgunnaNov 12, 2019 02:32 AM
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I ordered this using the link in OP yesterday and it shipped today.

Is it pretty much guaranteed to ship the i5 version and not i3?

I am still seeing some people who got i3, did you just the wrong one in the store or?
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santy83Nov 12, 2019 02:32 AM
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any recommendation for 8GB dual channel RAM to go with the 4GB built in ?
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Nov 12, 2019 02:33 AM
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Same! You maximized your return when you get 1 stick and later decide to remove the 4gb.

Yes, I guess what wasn't explicitly clear in my previous response to Jack was that If I need to reuse the 16GB I can stick it in the 2018 Mac Mini, then, I can buy the 16 or 32GB 3200MT/s stick(s) of RAM (at less nosebleed prices compared to today) and put it in this Windows laptop without wasting my money.
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jacktNov 12, 2019 02:33 AM
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Quote from Penguina :
I think the choice buying 1 stick of 16GB was to preserve my upgrade-ability so If I need more, I only need to toss 4GB, and not 2 stick of 8GB.
...
Ultimately, I think the answer is you only get 2 memory slots, if you don't mind discarding 2x8GB in the future, or you don't see using beyond 16GB, then you don't need the 1X16GB.
...
I'm not a stickler for absolutely needing dual channel access for my two matching size memory..As long as I got my 20GB RAM, I'm good
Quote from msk12 :
I had bought the 16GB stick a couple months ago for another laptop that only had 1 slot available, which I took it back due to USB port failure. In this case there is no speed discrepancy as the timings, not just the speed, are matching between the two sticks (confirmed in HWiNFO64). I'm not too concerned about the performance "drop" due to not fully utilizing dual channel, I'm not playing any games on this laptop. If I was buying memory now, I would most likely buy 8GBx2. I also ended up buying 2 of these laptops, so I would have done the same thing you mentioned. Move one of the 4GB sticks to the other laptop for a total of 8GB.
Thanks to both of you for taking the time to explain this to me. I don't know too much about getting the most performance out of these systems. It did occur to me that a 16GB stick is probably more versatile for potential future use/re-use, given that memory needs seem to grow with each generation.

One last question: Do either of you think it matters at all if the 2x8GB set is 2666 vs 3200? I guess without the updated service manual we don't even know what type of RAM the motherboard+chipset can take advantage of for this system. In the manual for the previous gen processors it says you can put 2666 in but the system will run it at 2400. Right now I have 2x8GB 2666- probably not worth the hassle to swap it out for the 3200 version?

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beermanpigNov 12, 2019 02:35 AM
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Quote from luckydog97 :
I think your numbers are off. I know a few passmark scores and this is nowhere near 11k. A 8750H comes in around 12.4k. I'd say this is less than half that, MAYBE.
arround 10K with regular RAM stick inside, and 16GB of 3200MHz RAM some9ne posted they got 11K. and yes i know, its crazy, almost like the full blown i-7 8750H

makes me want to wait amd see the 10th gen H CPUs cooming out soon, must do 17-18K passmark atleast
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cashcowsNov 12, 2019 02:35 AM
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Quote from hristopelov :
yes i did the work for you, that is the cheapest, you did double check aswell, so get it
Thanks mate
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santy83Nov 12, 2019 02:38 AM
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Quote from hristopelov :
yes i did the work for you, that is the cheapest, you did double check aswell, so get it
Did you find any cheap 8GB dual channel RAM ?

Thinking of this -

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-26...DH7RZEW2A1
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luckydog97Nov 12, 2019 02:42 AM
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Quote from hristopelov :
arround 10K with regular RAM stick inside, and 16GB of 3200MHz RAM some9ne posted they got 11K. and yes i know, its crazy, almost like the full blown i-7 8750H

makes me want to wait amd see the 10th gen H CPUs cooming out soon, must do 17-18K passmark atleast
Where did you see these numbers? I just looked it up to confirm and saw around 5900 on multiple sites for the 1005G1. We are talking 45W vs 15W, 14nm++ vs 10nm, 6 vs 2 cores, 4.1Ghz vs 3.4Ghz. They are only 2 gens apart.

I'm not trying to be a buzzkill lol, it's a great chip for the money no doubt about that, I just don't see it getting anywhere near 11k, not unless we are talking about some hacked overclocked version in a very short run.
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msk12Nov 12, 2019 02:46 AM
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Quote from jackt :
Thanks to both of you for taking the time to explain this to me. I don't know too much about getting the most performance out of these systems. It did occur to me that a 16GB stick is probably more versatile for potential future use/re-use, given that memory needs seem to grow with each generation.

One last question: Do either of you think it matters at all if the 2x8GB set is 2666 vs 3200? I guess without the updated service manual we don't even know what type of RAM the motherboard+chipset can take advantage of for this system. In the manual for the previous gen processors it says you can put 2666 in but the system will run it at 2400. Right now I have 2x8GB 2666- probably not worth the hassle to swap it out for the 3200 version?
If you're trying to get the maximum performance out of this laptop 3200 with dual channel would be the way to go (If there is no motherboard restrictions on the speed). I think one issue is 2666/2400 has been the standard for a while in laptops so we haven't seen enough modules selling with 3200 yet, especially with IceLake being new. Price wise 2666 is currently the best deal.
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Quote from jackt :
Thanks to both of you for taking the time to explain this to me. I don't know too much about getting the most performance out of these systems. It did occur to me that a 16GB stick is probably more versatile for potential future use/re-use, given that memory needs seem to grow with each generation.

One last question: Do either of you think it matters at all if the 2x8GB set is 2666 vs 3200? I guess without the updated service manual we don't even know what type of RAM the motherboard+chipset can take advantage of for this system. In the manual for the previous gen processors it says you can put 2666 in but the system will run it at 2400. Right now I have 2x8GB 2666- probably not worth the hassle to swap it out for the 3200 version?
Well, that's the rub now... Memory speed support usually depends on

1. CPU
2. Support Chipset
3. HP Engineering...

We know Intel says this CPU can support up to 3200 MT/s memory, it is likely to work, but we know companies have skimped on memory profiles in the BIOS (like Alien laptop vs. lower end Dell standard laptop)

Until someone has the resources and the will to try, we won't know, but the 3200MT/s memory may work, but I don't personally really need to find out that answer.. if it does work, it's probably a "nice to have", but I would really not realistically have that sort of expectation, given I spent less than $300 on this PC.

I am really happy though that I can put 64GB of ram on this laptop.

I have been eyeing this Samsung 32GB RAM for the 2018 MacMini for at least 8 months, and i'm 99.9% sure this will work on this laptop as well.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07N124XDS/
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