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Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

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Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Must have an amex to add offer to your account. Details:

Unlock even more as an
American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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Jun 19, 2020
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Dealfinderextreme
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Quote from corenom :
How do I get a competing offer for a investment property? Finding it hard to find an online resource and don't really want to waste a local mortgage persons time.
Depending on where your investment property is, you can try boxhomeloans. Super easy to see what the cost and rate would be without giving personal information. Can't get a LE without a hard credit pull though.
Jun 19, 2020
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MrDioji
Jun 19, 2020
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Quote from Zwitterion :
Do any of these lenders provide an LE without having to talk to one of their folks? I really dislike having to deal with mortgage officers.
Try Aimloan. I got several LE's from them with my credit reports frozen/locked and they had the best rates that I could find.
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Zwitterion
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Quote from MrDioji :
Try Aimloan. I got several LE's from them with my credit reports frozen/locked and they had the best rates that I could find.
Was it automatically issued? Or did you have to play games with a loan officer to get the multiple LEs?
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myadidas1981
Jun 19, 2020
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So, seeing some of the rates you guys are getting, wondering if I messed something up.

My wife and I both have pretty strong credit (high 700s, low 800s depending on reporting agency).

We financed our house 2 years ago, 30 years at 4.785%. Through Better, we recently got 3.5% on a 20-year loan (after buying down .126% for $286 OOP), but nothing close to sub-3% without having to drop significant $$. And our estimated cost to close (not including $2,500 Amex credit) is $5600.

Did I mess up?
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MrDioji
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Quote from Zwitterion :
Was it automatically issued? Or did you have to play games with a loan officer to get the multiple LEs?
It was automatically issued during the application process. You have to input several pages of info like address, income, assets, liabilities, but no documentation upload required. Towards the end of the online process, they show some disclosures and whatnot. You can download the Loan Estimate from there.

I went through the application a few times to get LE's for different rates and term lengths.
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Zwitterion
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Quote from mrdioji :
it was automatically issued during the application process. You have to input several pages of info like address, income, assets, liabilities, but no documentation upload required. Towards the end of the online process, they show some disclosures and whatnot. You can download the loan estimate from there.

I went through the application a few times to get le's for different rates and term lengths.
perfect!
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MrDioji
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Quote from myadidas1981 :
So, seeing some of the rates you guys are getting, wondering if I messed something up.

My wife and I both have pretty strong credit (high 700s, low 800s depending on reporting agency).

We financed our house 2 years ago, 30 years at 4.785%. Through Better, we recently got 3.5% on a 20-year loan (after buying down .126% for $286 OOP), but nothing close to sub-3% without having to drop significant $$. And our estimated cost to close (not including $2,500 Amex credit) is $5600.

Did I mess up?
The key is to get Better to beat another loan estimate by $1,000 - or at least match.

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Jun 19, 2020
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mill1234
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I have Amex card and received email with this offer. However mortgage is (and will be refinanced) on my spouse's name. Any idea if that would still work for $2500 offer?
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batchstop
Jun 19, 2020
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Quote from suthar :
Has anyone had any recent success with Better (or any other lender for that matter) on getting rates <3% on a jumbo loan refinance? Unless I'm missing something, it seems like the really low rates from Better and the other lenders are for loans under $510k.

I'm sitting at 3.25% on a 30-year fixed with a $600k balance from a few years ago, and I haven't seen anything even remotely competitive from anyone. Better offered me 3.875%, but I probably won't even bother playing the "game" to try to get a lower rate from them if it's a losing battle in my situation.

On a side note - this thread is amazing!
I'm interested in this as well - I haven't seen anything personally below 3.25 for 30 year jumbo refi.
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Yuge
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Quote from mkoch454 :
After some constant pestering I was able to get everything through with Arnold and they were able to beat my competing offer as well as provide the savings by AMEX. Maybe the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Lucky you - Arnold is a pain
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vstypicals
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Can someone confirm which costs are taken into account for the APR calculation?

Is it just A + B + C + E - lender credits?
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LeaninBack916
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Quote from Zwitterion :
Do any of these lenders provide an LE without having to talk to one of their folks? I really dislike having to deal with mortgage officers.
No. They all required a convo to confirm what i put online. But at least... i told them all i was looking and then they opened up their portal and i could see the LE without signing anything.
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caveman017
Jun 19, 2020
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Just locked at 2.93 APR, no closing costs (well rolled into the loan) with Watermark Home Loans. Better couldn't match. Glad I got 2 LE's as my 2nd best was 3.125% APR with an additional $1500 or so in costs.
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flyeaglesfly33
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Quote from Yuge :
Lucky you - Arnold is a pain
I hear you. I finally got him to respond and match AIM for me, but he is saying they can't match if I don't want to bring any money to closing.

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nyforever
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With an LTV of 84% and good credit (780+), I got the following offers for a 30-year mortgage refinance with no cash out:
06/15: Better - 3.000% with a loan cost of $2,399 ("D" - Lender Credit)
06/16: LoanDepot - 2.990% with a loan cost of $4,013
06/17: LenderFi - 2.750% with a loan cost of $969

Then the following timeline:
06/17: I submitted LenderFi's loan estimate to both Better and LoanDepot.
06/18: LoanDepot stayed firm.
06/19: Better's concierge called me to tell me that they can match it. They would not beat it by $1,000, as the Better Price Guarantee cannot be combined with any other promotion (e.g., the Amex $2,500 promotion). I authorized a hard pull and locked the rate. Better has ordered an appraisal, and I am now waiting for the process to continue.

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