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expiredGreenworld123 posted Dec 08, 2019 02:27 PM
expiredGreenworld123 posted Dec 08, 2019 02:27 PM

Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

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I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Must have an amex to add offer to your account. Details:

Unlock even more as an
American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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Jul 15, 2020 04:50 AM
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getquik09Jul 15, 2020 04:50 AM
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Quote from CycloneFW :
Better takes A + B + C - J - appraisal fee from the competitor for rate XYZ and term ABC. Better than offers rate XYZ and term ABC with hopefully their A + B + C - J being $1,000 less than the competitors. They can do it by any way of manipulating section A and section J at Better's discretion.

My C is only $1,100. The title policy for me is around $175, endorsements and CPL another $100 and then abut $800 in fees from the settlement firm added in.
Thanks for the info. Will see what better comes back with. So, based on this, it looks like in the best case scenario, better tries to beat the competitive offer by $1000 and the $2500 AMEX credit on top of it makes the deal sweeter even if we consider other closest offers with a little higher lender credits for the same rate because they would be missing the Amex offer.
Jul 15, 2020 04:50 AM
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bobofooshJul 15, 2020 04:50 AM
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Quote from Letsgogogo :
Is 2.5% with $2000 15 year?
Yes it is
Jul 15, 2020 04:51 AM
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getquik09Jul 15, 2020 04:51 AM
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Quote from YCG :
This might be a dumb question but is there any reason why I couldn't take a high rate with a high lender credit from better (not even bother price matching), plus get the Amex credit, then turn around immediately after the refi is complete and do another refi with a lender that has competitive rates? I mean, there's nothing stopping me from just doing one refi after another, right?
Isn't there some sort of a rule like you cannot refinance within 6 months of originating a new loan? Not sure if that is accurate but I heard this as the reason the most.
Jul 15, 2020 04:51 AM
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bobofooshJul 15, 2020 04:51 AM
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Quote from whizbala :
i had them match a rate a week before closing and they were able to match. They only beat by $1000 for the first match
They responded today they're trying to match. Will let me know tomorrow.
Jul 15, 2020 06:00 AM
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getquik09Jul 15, 2020 06:00 AM
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Quote from shahhere :
Make sure that the Credit they are giving doesn't include their $1500 origination fee. My quotes turned into having $1500 fee which is not the same as having a $3000 credit with out costs.


For what its worth LoanCabin has been really slow but their quote and Estimate were an exact match without surprises or changes despite being later by 4 days.


Shahhere
Were you able to negotiate on waiving the $1500 origination fees from Watermark and still kept the same lender credits for the quoted offer? Do we need any competing offer to make this happen? Got a loan estimate from them and was surprised to see these origination costs which defeats the purpose of lender credits. TIA.
Jul 15, 2020 11:00 AM
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ShaneW486Jul 15, 2020 11:00 AM
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Had Better Match in early May for a 30yr @3.125 essentially costing me $600 (not including taxes/ homeowners escrows) and got the $2500 credit as well in June (so Making about $1900).

Just did it again- better beat WM LE by a few bucks - 2.25% (15yr) with $1900 in credits. Told me I didn't use the amex Iink to sign up but account was tagged as amex acct so would be getting the credit again! Had to pay appraisal but already found out that would be waived and will get that refunded at closing. All in all should get all costs paid with credits and about $1000 towards escrow in credit + the amex credit. Definitely a slickdeal!
Jul 15, 2020 11:36 AM
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shahhereJul 15, 2020 11:36 AM
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Quote from getquik09 :
Isn't there some sort of a rule like you cannot refinance within 6 months of originating a new loan? Not sure if that is accurate but I heard this as the reason the most.
Just to clarify that's there isn't a law but if the loan is still processed by the lender and you refi then they lose out on their commission on the loan if it's under 6 months.

If the loan gets sold I don't think it applies. Many lenders will not let you apply or refinance in that timeframe.

Shahhere

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Jul 15, 2020 11:37 AM
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nicemannJul 15, 2020 11:37 AM
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Quote from getquik09 :
Isn't there some sort of a rule like you cannot refinance within 6 months of originating a new loan? Not sure if that is accurate but I heard this as the reason the most.
Not unless you signed that term during your last loan closing. It is not common.
Jul 15, 2020 12:53 PM
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gk6740Jul 15, 2020 12:53 PM
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Quote from getquik09 :
Isn't there some sort of a rule like you cannot refinance within 6 months of originating a new loan? Not sure if that is accurate but I heard this as the reason the most.
I thought I read that somewhere along the way... maybe one of the online documents. I went through my inch thick closing docs yesterday and was sort of looking for that clause but did not see it. There have been reports of folks doing it under 6 months here. I wonder if Better and Amex might extend that offer? Current offer ends soon.

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To be eligible for the $2,500 statement credit, you must (i) click-through the dedicated offer link, and (ii) submit a completed application on Better Mortgage's webpage dedicated to the offer no later than 7/25/2020, and (iii) close on your mortgage no later than 10/28/2020.
Jul 15, 2020 01:11 PM
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CycloneFWJul 15, 2020 01:11 PM
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Quote from shahhere :
Just to clarify that's there isn't a law but if the loan is still processed by the lender and you refi then they lose out on their commission on the loan if it's under 6 months.

If the loan gets sold I don't think it applies. Many lenders will not let you apply or refinance in that timeframe.

Shahhere
Also, that's for rate-and-term refis. Do a cash-out, and while you can refi within 6 months, the new one would also be considered a cash-out even if you take nothing out this go around ("nothing out" does not count lender credits up to $4,500 over D + E in this case). 6 months and 1 day, and now you have a rate-and-term refi of what was a cash-out.
Jul 15, 2020 01:14 PM
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DogAndPonyJul 15, 2020 01:14 PM
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Ten days left to apply. Hmm...not sure rates will go down enough for me to justify refinancing. Really need 2.5% on 30 to move forward. I don't think we'll get there
Jul 15, 2020 01:19 PM
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euuser192620Jul 15, 2020 01:19 PM
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Quote from DogAndPony :
Ten days left to apply. Hmm...not sure rates will go down enough for me to justify refinancing. Really need 2.5% on 30 to move forward. I don't think we'll get there
Same here. Rates are holding even with pandemic !
Jul 15, 2020 01:28 PM
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JoonX86Jul 15, 2020 01:28 PM
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So many bad reviews lately and I'm currently on the fence at the moment. is anyone having a problem with better.com?
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superwalletJul 15, 2020 02:02 PM
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Quote from refitime :
Earlier in the month, I said for 30 year fixed that you should not settle for anything higher than 2.75% with lender credits covering A+B+C, and that's with a FICO just under 700. I see a lot of people have been ignoring what I said.

Right now, rates have gone down even lower for 30 year fixed, and 2.625% with lender credits covering A+B+C is now available. Lock it when you get one. As I said before, you've got to apply to 10-20 places. That would include all the ones mentioned in this thread in the last 2 weeks. Half of them will ignore you, even though by law they have to provide you with a loan estimate in 3 business days. Just deal with the ones that respond to your complete application.

If you're too lazy to apply to all the places mentioned in the last 2 weeks, then I can't help you. Every loan officer at every lender is different each day, and just because one person got a good deal at one place today doesn't mean everyone will get a good deal today. So you've got to try all the places and see who is in the mood to give YOU a deal today.
Some lenders are saying that it could take 40-60 days to close. Is it okay to lock the rates and start the process with two lenders and close with the one that completes the process first?

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Jul 15, 2020 02:03 PM
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DogAndPonyJul 15, 2020 02:03 PM
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Quote from venky80 :
Same here. Rates are holding even with pandemic !
I might just do it anyway just in case. My credit can take the hit and if rates do drop in the next month I'll be kicking myself that I didn't act.

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