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Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

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I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Must have an amex to add offer to your account. Details:

Unlock even more as an
American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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Jul 15, 2020 06:25 PM
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baronvdbJul 15, 2020 06:25 PM
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Just an update. I'm still chilling waiting on the HELOC I had at my old lender to be subordinated. It has a $0.00 balance. HELOCs are hard to get no so when I found out I could keep my existing HELOC even though I was moving my primary mortgage I decided to do that.

15 year fixed @ 2.25% (locked last month at 2.375% but found a 2.25% rate at LD that better.com matched at the beginning of this month.
Loan is just under $300k
A. $0.00
B. $65
C. $1575
E. $1750 (FL has high taxes)
G. No escrow for taxes or insurance

Lender credit is $460 so after the $2500 I should be out of pocket less than $500. Not the absolute best deal on here but I'm pretty happy with that.

Process has been good for me so far. I'm pretty sure I'd have closed already if not for that subordinate lien HELOC ppwk they are waiting on from my old lender.
Last edited by baronvdb July 15, 2020 at 11:28 AM.
Jul 15, 2020 06:31 PM
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nagraw4Jul 15, 2020 06:31 PM
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Anyone who applied to Loan Cabin over the weekend has seen a reply yet?
Jul 15, 2020 06:37 PM
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nagraw4Jul 15, 2020 06:37 PM
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Looks like Watermark is not sending LEs until you lock with them. Tried asking for info and they keep sending bits and pieces over the email without the official LE.
Is there a downside to having multiple rate locks in place (if there is no upfront fee for the lock)?
Jul 15, 2020 06:44 PM
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nicemannJul 15, 2020 06:44 PM
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Quote from nagraw4 :
Looks like Watermark is not sending LEs until you lock with them. Tried asking for info and they keep sending bits and pieces over the email without the official LE.
Is there a downside to having multiple rate locks in place (if there is no upfront fee for the lock)?
Unless they make you pay for a lock you are fine. Not many places make you pay for that.
Jul 15, 2020 06:56 PM
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damnyouJul 15, 2020 06:56 PM
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my better.com concierge is just finding ways to not match. I have submitted rates from multiple lenders and she is like this is not in a pdf format, etc etc. Frown
Jul 15, 2020 06:57 PM
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tayninhJul 15, 2020 06:57 PM
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Quote from nagraw4 :
Looks like Watermark is not sending LEs until you lock with them. Tried asking for info and they keep sending bits and pieces over the email without the official LE.
Is there a downside to having multiple rate locks in place (if there is no upfront fee for the lock)?
You're not dealing with Casey at Watermark are you?
Jul 15, 2020 07:01 PM
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tayninhJul 15, 2020 07:01 PM
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Quote from baronvdb :
Just an update. I'm still chilling waiting on the HELOC I had at my old lender to be subordinated. It has a $0.00 balance. HELOCs are hard to get no so when I found out I could keep my existing HELOC even though I was moving my primary mortgage I decided to do that.

15 year fixed @ 2.25% (locked last month at 2.375% but found a 2.25% rate at LD that better.com matched at the beginning of this month.
Loan is just under $300k
A. $0.00
B. $65
C. $1575
E. $1750 (FL has high taxes)
G. No escrow for taxes or insurance

Lender credit is $460 so after the $2500 I should be out of pocket less than $500. Not the absolute best deal on here but I'm pretty happy with that.

Process has been good for me so far. I'm pretty sure I'd have closed already if not for that subordinate lien HELOC ppwk they are waiting on from my old lender.
That's great rate. I'm getting 2.65% at Better also with similar loan amount as yours. Though I'm getting around $3k lender credits.

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Jul 15, 2020 07:01 PM
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nagraw4Jul 15, 2020 07:01 PM
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Quote from damnyou :
my better.com concierge is just finding ways to not match. I have submitted rates from multiple lenders and she is like this is not in a pdf format, etc etc. Frown
Yeah they asked me for a LE not more than 24hrs old
Jul 15, 2020 07:02 PM
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nagraw4Jul 15, 2020 07:02 PM
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Quote from tayninh :
You're not dealing with Casey at Watermark are you?
No, Ron Grau.

Does Watermark charge a fee to lock the rate?
Jul 15, 2020 07:02 PM
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tayninhJul 15, 2020 07:02 PM
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Quote from shahhere :
Well dont wait too long as they can certainly deny your request. Ask them to do it ASAP as that takes time to do a title search. I have always emailed Radian and introduced my Loan Officer to the Title agent in an introductory email to get things in writing and started.



I have also seen in some cases where Better has simply provided credit to match the costs of your own Title company instead of switching and starting over.


This time around I had to talk to a CS agent to get the scoop on things at Radian but she confirmed that the orders need to come from the lender directly and I was able to convince her to quote me again as I've 8+ title searches with them on file Smilie. She had noted to use [email protected] main number is 412-494-0400.


Shahhere
Thanks for the info. I emailed Radian and quickly got a quote. But the quote came back to be the same as Better.
Jul 15, 2020 07:03 PM
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tayninhJul 15, 2020 07:03 PM
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Quote from nagraw4 :
No, Ron Grau.

Does Watermark charge a fee to lock the rate?
Not that I'm aware of.
Jul 15, 2020 07:04 PM
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shahhereJul 15, 2020 07:04 PM
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Quote from tayninh :
You're not dealing with Casey at Watermark are you?

Alright, after not getting anything from Watermark from my contact I now have a LE he sent over yesterday. The LE did not line up with what what we discussed as "No Costs" and upto $3500 towards closing. The LE had $1500 in Origination Fees and only $3000 on J.


He keeps saying that J(Credit) can only be used for closing costs but that's not how it works. In the past If ABC=$3000 the remainder $500 would go towards escrows or principle reduction. Credit on J doesnt come with conditions like that so I am not sure how to proceed......


Today he did reply back they locked me at 2.75% with $3500 towards closing costs. If i have a LE showing $0 Origination fees and J=-$3500 I am going to take it. Better hasn't responded yet but this works out to be better than Amex deal with all the money upfront.


People who have LEs from Watermark Please let me know your thought on this Credit dilemma and how they have done this in the past if possible.



Shahhere
Jul 15, 2020 07:05 PM
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sskumarsdJul 15, 2020 07:05 PM
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Quote from tayninh :
You're not dealing with Casey at Watermark are you?
I'm. Is loan origination fee mandatory? they are charging too high, $1499 in my case for 2.75%.
Jul 15, 2020 07:08 PM
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scorpioneyesJul 15, 2020 07:08 PM
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Hello all, would love advice here. I just received my LE from Watermark and there is an error on it and my loan agent claims it cannot be fixed prior to my initial signatures. Is this true?

I specifically asked for no escrow account, just P&I ($937/mo). The quoted total closing costs were around $2600. However the LE indicates escrow of $237 = $1174/mo, and Section G now has $1500 in taxes and insurance, increasing my closing costs to over $4100.

I spoke to my loan agent and he confirms his computer shows no escrow, that it must've been an error on the backoffice team, but the LE cannot be revised - that I need to sign this set of docs FIRST and the final set of docs will show the removal of escrow and Section G fees. He claims this is industry-wide (Dodd-Frank rule, not company policy). This seems absurd! I don't feel comfortable signing this knowing it's incorrect. Has anyone gone through this?

Edit: my initial discussions with agent Casey were great, very helpful. Now after reading some comments above and my recent phone convo with him, I don't have a good feeling about this ...
Last edited by scorpioneyes July 15, 2020 at 12:11 PM.

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Jul 15, 2020 07:11 PM
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Alex8919Jul 15, 2020 07:11 PM
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Quote from wandl :
Alex - I've read LoanCabin and Watermark *could* get 2.25% - have you tried them?
I did not , I tried loan depot and triumph. Thanks for sharing.

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