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Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

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I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Must have an amex to add offer to your account. Details:

Unlock even more as an
American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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Jul 23, 2020
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BabyDoll123
Jul 23, 2020
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Quote from HarryS4062 :
Look under "My Team" on the left of the page and see if you can schedule a call with your LO. That is the best way to reach hard to reach LOs.
I have that option for the processing expert but not for the LO. Thank you for the tip!
Jul 23, 2020
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Jul 23, 2020
m0nkey
Jul 23, 2020
259 Posts
trying with better. dont sound good so far. quoting $8k in A-J. no lender credit. Why is that, I see most getting a credit but I didnt.
2.625 RATE
A: $3,229 (points 2.487 of loan amount)
B: $614
C:$910
J. TOTAL CLOSING COSTS $8,252 (D + I)

$130000 loan,home value 500K
good credit 712
15 year refi.
Last edited by m0nkey July 23, 2020 at 03:11 PM.
Jul 23, 2020
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jpell123
Jul 23, 2020
228 Posts
Quote from m0nkey :
trying with better. dont sound good so far. quoting $8k in A-J. no lender credit. Why is that, I see most getting a credit but I didnt.

A: $3,229 (points 2.487 of loan amount)
B: $614
C:$910
J. TOTAL CLOSING COSTS $8,252 (D + I)

$130000 loan,home value 500K
good credit 712
15 year refi.
Get a competing LE from another lender/broker and ask Better to beat it. My initial Better estimate was crap, but they beat 2 competing estimates and our final rate and fees (rebate) is way better than Better's initial quote
Jul 23, 2020
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jpell123
Jul 23, 2020
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Quote from BabyDoll123 :
I have that option for the processing expert but not for the LO. Thank you for the tip!
As mentioned previously, replying to emails you've received already seems to get a much better response than sending a new email to folks at Better. I tried scheduling a call and they never called, but when I replied to an email they'd sent, I got a response within an hour.
Jul 23, 2020
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m0nkey
Jul 23, 2020
259 Posts
Quote from jpell123 :
Get a competing LE from another lender/broker and ask Better to beat it. My initial Better estimate was crap, but they beat 2 competing estimates and our final rate and fees (rebate) is way better than Better's initial quote
Thank you
trying with loancabin , watermark and interactive right now. see what they come up with.
Last edited by m0nkey July 23, 2020 at 03:19 PM.
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BabyDoll123
Jul 23, 2020
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Quote from jpell123 :
As mentioned previously, replying to emails you've received already seems to get a much better response than sending a new email to folks at Better. I tried scheduling a call and they never called, but when I replied to an email they'd sent, I got a response within an hour.
I've tried replying - nothing. Almost a week later I forwarded the same reply email to the LO again - again nothing. Confused
Jul 23, 2020
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wandl
Jul 23, 2020
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Quote from jpell123 :
Get a competing LE from another lender/broker and ask Better to beat it. My initial Better estimate was crap, but they beat 2 competing estimates and our final rate and fees (rebate) is way better than Better's initial quote
Couldn't agree with you more - I think while many of us are getting Better to pricematch, there are a TON of buyers out there taking advantage of the AMEX $2500 promo and not getting multiple quotes because...well...its $2500. That (I assume) is how Better is justifying the $2500 bonus.
Better's first offer for me wasn't good on my previous refi and now, but they did come through to match the rate and beat the A+B+C on both times.

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m0nkey
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Quote from wandl :
Couldn't agree with you more - I think while many of us are getting Better to pricematch, there are a TON of buyers out there taking advantage of the AMEX $2500 promo and not getting multiple quotes because...well...its $2500. That (I assume) is how Better is justifying the $2500 bonus.
Better's first offer for me wasn't good on my previous refi and now, but they did come through to match the rate and beat the A+B+C on both times.
Thank you ,
Amex deal sounds sweet. Don't have it so cant take advantage.
Jul 23, 2020
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yoyospy
Jul 23, 2020
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loan cabin finally got back to me. Giving me $1500 in lender credit with 0 origination fees.

Sent it over to better and they matched it.

This is for 2.625% 30 year fixed.

I'm eligible for the $2500 amex credit. After title fees, i'd be getting about $3k in pocket.

Is this a decent deal? I've seen others here with more lender credit, not sure if i should try to get loan cabin to beat better and then go for another round.
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bonosloveslave
Jul 23, 2020
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Woooooo I think I am getting an awesome deal but if anyone is willing to weigh in to not miss anything-

Got crap at first from better.com, ~$5k for A+B+C with 0 credits. Locked and proceeded anyway knowing I would get something more enticing eventually from someone to try to match at better.com for similar terms plus the Amex credit. There was a MI company that had me at 2.5% with ABC and lender credits being ~$1,000 OOP - not ideal, but I would consider if better.com wouldn't budge. I am shooting for:

2.5% (have been at 3.375% since last fall)
15 year fixed (did a 20 year last fall)
$187,000 refi (no cash out)
LTV 46%, credit score ~775

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Today better.com came back with:
2.5%; $187,000; 15 year fixed
A=0
B=$614 but that is including $550 appraisal which is being waived (or will be refunded) so really only $64
C=$1115
I=$4,006 (but I don't really factor this in for shopping because I would have to pay up front anyway and will get back about that much from my current company a few weeks after closing?)
Lender credit = $1256
Amex statement credit = $2500

So if my 'real math' calculation correct that this would be 64+1115=$1179 ('true costs')
-->$1179 OOP - $1256 LC - $2500 Amex credit = $2577 net eventually in my pocket?!?!?

Am I figuring this correctly??
Jul 23, 2020
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missourian
Jul 23, 2020
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Quote from yoyospy :
loan cabin finally got back to me. Giving me $1500 in lender credit with 0 origination fees.

Sent it over to better and they matched it.

This is for 2.625% 30 year fixed.

I'm eligible for the $2500 amex credit. After title fees, i'd be getting about $3k in pocket.

Is this a decent deal? I've seen others here with more lender credit, not sure if i should try to get loan cabin to beat better and then go for another round.
Run with it. Better rejected my PM.
Jul 23, 2020
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yoyospy
Jul 23, 2020
25 Posts
Quote from bonosloveslave :
Woooooo I think I am getting an awesome deal but if anyone is willing to weigh in to not miss anything-

Got crap at first from better.com, ~$5k for A+B+C with 0 credits. Locked and proceeded anyway knowing I would get something more enticing eventually from someone to try to match at better.com for similar terms plus the Amex credit. There was a MI company that had me at 2.5% with ABC and lender credits being ~$1,000 OOP - not ideal, but I would consider if better.com wouldn't budge. I am shooting for:

2.5% (have been at 3.375% since last fall)
15 year fixed (did a 20 year last fall)
$187,000 refi (no cash out)
LTV 46%, credit score ~775

---------

Today better.com came back with:
2.5%; $187,000; 15 year fixed
A=0
B=$614 but that is including $550 appraisal which is being waived (or will be refunded) so really only $64
C=$1115
I=$4,006 (but I don't really factor this in for shopping because I would have to pay up front anyway and will get back about that much from my current company a few weeks after closing?)
Lender credit = $1256
Amex statement credit = $2500

So if my 'real math' calculation correct that this would be 64+1115=$1179 ('true costs')
-->$1179 OOP - $1256 LC - $2500 Amex credit = $2577 net eventually in my pocket?!?!?

Am I figuring this correctly??
Yes, that's the right calc.
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techoin
Jul 23, 2020
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Quote from michiganwolves50 :
Techoin - When I received my quote it was spot on from the rate on the LE and the site. Make sure on the site you place 60 days for the lock. My loan officer advised at this time they are only doing 60 day locks. More than likely this is the discrepancy you are seeing.

Thats what they responded. I applied today. Yet to get hold of anyone. Looks like they are taking few days to respond so not sure what rate they will come back with
Jul 23, 2020
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nyforever
Jul 23, 2020
456 Posts
Here's my final timeline:
06/15 - 06/19: Rate shopping with Better, LoanDepot, and LenderFi.
06/19: Better's concierge matched and I authorized a hard credit pull to continue.
06/25: Appraiser came and took measurements and pictures.
07/08: Appraisal report finished.
07/15: Title work finished.
07/20: Initial closing disclosure received, along with request to input Amex credit card number.
07/23: Final closing disclosure received.
07/24: Closing.
07/28: Disbursement.

Final Costs for a 2.75% 30yr mortgage:
A: $0, B: $61, C: $3,150; Lender Credit: $4,650

With the $2,500 credit, this will be a net ~$4,000. Fantastic deal.

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Jul 23, 2020
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Rhizzlebop
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Quote from Rhizzlebop :
I have applied at loancabin, loandepot and better. Aim loans LOOKED poor in their rate sheet so havnt applied. I tried to apply at WM but you cant fully apply, you sort of inquire and they will reach out it says.

I called hightech.... and they dont serve south carolina.

Loan depot, on a 280K value, 204K loan amount, he is saying 2.75% is with closing costs of $3200 AND a 1080 in buying pts (around .48 pts)

Seems way out in left field from here, but I know this is not a crazy high loan amount I have either.

With the same guy, I can do a 3% and Ihave the $3200 in closing fees (he's sending me the LE to review) and I get 1100 in credits. SO the 3200 becomes about 2100 in COSTs.

Im looking forward to hearing from watermark who I inquired but havn't heard back, and from loancabin whom I applied with and got an email saying they will contact me in a few days.

I'm currently at 3.25% from a May closing with better.com at 204K 30yr fixed.

My goal here is to come out around $1500 to the + AFTER the amex credit, so if it costs me around 1000 before amex, I'd be good with that while hopefully getting my rate down into the 2.75 +/- range if possible.

Suggestions on who else I should apply with? I applied with Sebonic when I did the april/may refi, so they might have me on file as applying and NOT going with them. Should I avoid them or apply there anyway?

Thanks
Suggestions appreciated?

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