please note that the 2020 17" lg gram keyboard layout has changed. It now have extra row in numeric keypad and one of the shift/return? key is bigger. It's different from the 2019 model.
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https://www.lg.com/us/support/sof...re-drivers You may have to type "LG Gram 17" in the search box, but its there. Latest is: W1ZD1250.zip 01/07/2020 |
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I have the 2019 model, and I knew the glossy screen was going to bother me, so I researched a matte screen protector. I HIGHLY recommend https://www.photodon.co
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The screen is the biggest selling point to me. I like the larger size, great color/contrast and brightness. The real-estate is great for photo editing. The glare does not bother me and the brightness has been more than plenty. It is a huge improvement over a Lenovo Flex 15 I tried out. I also had a Gigabyte Aero 15 OLED 4K laptop to compare to and the LG Gram 17 was my favorite. The OLED screen had an uneven brightness vertical band on the right side and I was always aware of possible burn in. Side by side, the colors and contrast were not noticeably different even though everyone raves about OLED screens being so superior. I much prefer the larger 17" and 16 x 10 ratio and not having to worry about possible burn in.
The chassis on the 2020 model does seem a little firmer than the 2019. They redesigned the monitor hinge and it seems sturdier.
The touchpad is the same. I really like it. Yes, it does depress a bit as some video reviewers point out, but it's not a big deal to me.
Battery life is excellent and I have not had any issues with drain while the computer sleeps. I often just close the screen in the evening, leaving it on battery only and when I return in the morning, the charge status has no significant change. I haven't written down the numbers, but I recall leaving it around 80% at night and coming back in the morning and it being near that.
I really like how quiet both generations Gram 17s CPU fans are. The Aero 15 was annoyingly loud, even at idle or low usage. The fans had a higher pitch that I could not stand.
Heat has not been an issue for me. It does get warm more so in the center, rear near the monitor since that is where the processor is. I use the laptop on my lap a lot and it is not uncomfortably warm.
Here are several test results I have:
Novabench:
2019
2020
You'll see improvements across the board for the i7-1065G7.
PugetBench v0.8 BETA for Photoshop
2019
2020
You will see that the i7-8565U actually performed some of the tasks better than the i7-1065G7.
In real world use, so far I have not noticed a significant difference in power between the two. I haven't tried games yet, possibly later. I tried some on the 2019 and it didn't work well as expected.
To conclude, I am very impressed with the LG Gram 17. This is my favorite laptop I have used.
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Oops, this reply goes to green key's post.
Also, why the damn run on tp?
I'd pick the 17 for myself, but I like having 2 windows open at the same time side by side.
Size isnt a hamper for me to carry around, but that light weight makes it much nicer (carry my thinkpad p53 most trips)
I'd pick the 17 for myself, but I like having 2 windows open at the same time side by side.
Size isnt a hamper for me to carry around, but that light weight makes it much nicer (carry my thinkpad p53 most trips)
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Also, this is one of a kind laptop. It has zero competition due to that screen size and aspect ratio. It's ideal for coding due to the longer vertical size compared to a 16:9 laptop. With the 10th gen i7, it also has decent graphics performance for most uses (3d editors, etc.). Maybe even some simple gaming at the lowest settings.
This laptop is definitely for a unique buyer, but for that buyer, there really isn't anything else like it.
Resale values will definitely not be like a MacBook, but should be better than your average windows laptop.
I bought and sold the previous gen Gram 17. Bought it for $1150 from Costco, and sold for $850 7 months later. During this time, the Gram 17 hit a price of $1000 at Costco, and even as low as $800 new on clearance, so $850 wasn't that bad.
I'll jump on this at $1000, or just get one of the upcoming Ryzen 4000 laptops.
Based on the way things are going in the world, I expect to see a lot of sales this year to increase sales. The Ryzen 4000 laptops will also hit Intel laptop prices hard rest of the year.
Someone right above wondered aloud about why anyone would want this 17 incher:
My use case is as a programmer, so I use this for coding with Intellij IDEA and to test software in a Linux virtual machine (VirtualBox). Here's one thing that I haven't seen mentioned (maybe it was, but this thread is large already): I upgraded the single available SODIMM slot with a 32GB DDR4 stick and also installed a 1 TB NVMe SSD drive into the second M.2 slot. Thus I now have 40GB of memory and 1.5TB of NMVe disk space! The main drive is in a removable M.2 slot, so one could easily replace it and go up to 2x2TB = 4TB of NVMe SSD storage.
The closest thing that would match this combination of size, display brightness, lightness and power would be a 16" MacBook Pro, which I was also considering. With similar specs, that MBP would be around $3K. Granted, it's got a more powerful CPU and GPU, but for coding purposes, I'd be stuck with 32GB of non-upgradeable memory. Running a virtual machine and IDE at the same time requires a lot of memory, and every bit of that extra 8GB counts! The MBP is also heavier, but with a more rigid case that seems better built.
One thing that has been a bummer for me so far, but something I can work around: I cannot get an external Thunderbolt3 SSD drive to work on the TB3 port. I've tried 2 so far (Samsung X5 and a Plugable model) - they both power-on and I can format them, but after a couple of minutes, they disconnect. I have a feeling that the TB3 port or PCI controller is not supplying enough power. I just today received a Crucial X8 USB-C external drive that can read/write at 1000mb/s and plugged into the TB3 port. It's been working fine all day. I would have liked the 2800mb/2300mb per second r/w performance the Samsung X5 TB3 had, but 1000mb/s is definitely workable!
Anyway, at $1200 this thing is a steal, especially if you're a programmer! My hope is that LG will offer future models with Ryzen 4000/5000 options - then this thing would be a beast!
Edit: regarding WSL, it seems fine, but I don't do to much other than running a Java Maven build and simple file/folder management. I have not tried Docker in it yet, as I do most of my testing in a VM as stated above. That being said, the next big Windows 10 release supposedly has much better Docker+WSL support, so I'd imagine you're really just waiting for the software to become mature.
Someone right above wondered aloud about why anyone would want this 17 incher:
My use case is as a programmer, so I use this for coding with Intellij IDEA and to test software in a Linux virtual machine (VirtualBox). Here's one thing that I haven't seen mentioned (maybe it was, but this thread is large already): I upgraded the single available SODIMM slot with a 32GB DDR4 stick and also installed a 1 TB NVMe SSD drive into the second M.2 slot. Thus I now have 40GB of memory and 1.5TB of NMVe disk space! The main drive is in a removable M.2 slot, so one could easily replace it and go up to 2x2TB = 4TB of NVMe SSD storage.
The closest thing that would match this combination of size, display brightness, lightness and power would be a 16" MacBook Pro, which I was also considering. With similar specs, that MBP would be around $3K. Granted, it's got a more powerful CPU and GPU, but for coding purposes, I'd be stuck with 32GB of non-upgradeable memory. Running a virtual machine and IDE at the same time requires a lot of memory, and every bit of that extra 8GB counts! The MBP is also heavier, but with a more rigid case that seems better built.
One thing that has been a bummer for me so far, but something I can work around: I cannot get an external Thunderbolt3 SSD drive to work on the TB3 port. I've tried 2 so far (Samsung X5 and a Plugable model) - they both power-on and I can format them, but after a couple of minutes, they disconnect. I have a feeling that the TB3 port or PCI controller is not supplying enough power. I just today received a Crucial X8 USB-C external drive that can read/write at 1000mb/s and plugged into the TB3 port. It's been working fine all day. I would have liked the 2800mb/2300mb per second r/w performance the Samsung X5 TB3 had, but 1000mb/s is definitely workable!
Anyway, at $1200 this thing is a steal, especially if you're a programmer! My hope is that LG will offer future models with Ryzen 4000/5000 options - then this thing would be a beast!
Edit: regarding WSL, it seems fine, but I don't do to much other than running a Java Maven build and simple file/folder management. I have not tried Docker in it yet, as I do most of my testing in a VM as stated above. That being said, the next big Windows 10 release supposedly has much better Docker+WSL support, so I'd imagine you're really just waiting for the software to become mature.
how is the throttling when running under load, VMs, compiling, etc? do you get any lag or freezing? For some reason my VS2019 chokes when I do certain operations, but it's so specific (adding/removing files) I wonder if it's not throttling but something else wrong.
curious to see how this updated 2020 version handles heavy loads, as I was seriously considering upgrading. please let us know once you've had a chance to really kick the tires!
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