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Who has the lowest 30 year currently?

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808Lurker
04-24-2020 at 04:27 PM.
04-24-2020 at 04:27 PM.
2.375 for 15 year, ~2400 in closing costs (local cu)
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04-24-2020 at 04:32 PM.
04-24-2020 at 04:32 PM.
Quote from Dilbertic :
I wanted to refi my 30 year loan about 8 years into it about 420k at 3.75, but I am not seeing good rates unless I swap down to a 15 year. I guess the banks are not passing along the love.
You would have to pay closing costs, but atm penfed 30 year is 2.875% no points

https://www.penfed.org/mortgage-c...g-mortgage

2.875%
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2.894%*
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jcrash
04-25-2020 at 07:29 AM.
04-25-2020 at 07:29 AM.
Quote from 808Lurker :
You would have to pay closing costs, but atm penfed 30 year is 2.875% no points

https://www.penfed.org/mortgage-c...g-mortgage [penfed.org]

2.875%
0.000
2.894%*
Thanks, I just submitted for pre-approval for a new purchase! They don't pre-approve online, I guess, like better.com does. But that is a nice rate.
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dimagwala
04-27-2020 at 08:24 AM.
04-27-2020 at 08:24 AM.
I got 3 apy for 10 year arm with no closing costs. Just closed in 40 days. Saving about $3000 per year. I was at 3.375
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Dr. J
04-27-2020 at 09:17 AM.
04-27-2020 at 09:17 AM.
Quote from dimagwala :
I got 3 apy for 10 year arm with no closing costs. Just closed in 40 days. Saving about $3000 per year. I was at 3.375

So do you either intend on repaying before the ARM resets or refinancing to a fixed? Are you gambling that rates won't go up before RESET or ....?
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dimagwala
04-27-2020 at 12:03 PM.
04-27-2020 at 12:03 PM.
Quote from Dr. J :
So do you either intend on repaying before the ARM resets or refinancing to a fixed? Are you gambling that rates won't go up before RESET or ....?
More likely I will get out of this home and move to smaller home in 1-3 years.
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arnott
04-30-2020 at 08:47 AM.
04-30-2020 at 08:47 AM.
Anyone use loanlock.com ?

I am offered 2.875% for 30-year refinancing.

Lender Fee: $1,295
Title/Escrow: $1,350
Appraisal : $530 (Need to pay now)

with Discount: $966.

I also have another quote for 3.125%. Is the .25% difference significant ?
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Dr. J
04-30-2020 at 06:57 PM.
04-30-2020 at 06:57 PM.
Quote from arnott :
Anyone use loanlock.com ?

I am offered 2.875% for 30-year refinancing.

Lender Fee: $1,295
Title/Escrow: $1,350
Appraisal : $530 (Need to pay now)

with Discount: $966.

I also have another quote for 3.125%. Is the .25% difference significant ?

run the amortization.

Problem is there is a lot of front-loaded fees there - not sure what your current situation is or when you might move but that's part of the amortization.
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arnott
05-01-2020 at 05:09 AM.
05-01-2020 at 05:09 AM.
Quote from Dr. J :
run the amortization.

Problem is there is a lot of front-loaded fees there - not sure what your current situation is or when you might move but that's part of the amortization.
Thanks. You are right, may need to pay the closing cost upfront. Was surprised that they need appraisal fee paid in the beginning.
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Dr. J
05-01-2020 at 07:46 AM.
05-01-2020 at 07:46 AM.
Quote from arnott :
Thanks. You are right, may need to pay the closing cost upfront. Was surprised that they need appraisal fee paid in the beginning.
I've always had to pay appraisal up front and in my experience it's around $300-$400.

Also the best rates I see locally are CU's but you have to watch the terms. For example one local CU is offering 2.75% but then says "up to 96 months" - WTF is that, an 8 year mortgage? More like a long car loan. Next realistic term is "up to 132 months" (11 years) at 3.15. Whipteedoo - I have a 3.25 right now with just under 11 years left, and excellent credit, low LTV. I should be able to get something WAY better than marginally better than what I got 4 years ago.

BTW, for comparisons, I find this CU's [mortgagewebcenter.com] website to be pretty useful. Of course you can d/l many XLS sheets to do the same but that site has probably some of the most competent calculators I find that are web-based. This one in particular: "Can I save money by refinancing now? [mortgagewebcenter.com]"
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arnott
05-01-2020 at 08:11 AM.
05-01-2020 at 08:11 AM.
Quote from Dr. J :
I've always had to pay appraisal up front and in my experience it's around $300-$400.

Also the best rates I see locally are CU's but you have to watch the terms. For example one local CU is offering 2.75% but then says "up to 96 months" - WTF is that, an 8 year mortgage? More like a long car loan. Next realistic term is "up to 132 months" (11 years) at 3.15. Whipteedoo - I have a 3.25 right now with just under 11 years left, and excellent credit, low LTV. I should be able to get something WAY better than marginally better than what I got 4 years ago.

BTW, for comparisons, I find this CU's [mortgagewebcenter.com] website to be pretty useful. Of course you can d/l many XLS sheets to do the same but that site has probably some of the most competent calculators I find that are web-based. This one in particular: "Can I save money by refinancing now? [mortgagewebcenter.com]"
Do they refund the appraisal fee if the loan does not work out ?
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Dr. J
05-01-2020 at 08:19 AM.
05-01-2020 at 08:19 AM.
Quote from arnott :
Do they refund the appraisal fee if the loan does not work out ?
that has never been my experience. In fact I've had to eat it a couple times when the LTV wouldn't work out to below 80%.

Being an appraiser must be cake work, frankly. Drive around, look at people's houses, fill out a form, make an opinion and collect $$.
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arnott
05-01-2020 at 08:26 AM.
05-01-2020 at 08:26 AM.
Quote from Dr. J :
that has never been my experience. In fact I've had to eat it a couple times when the LTV wouldn't work out to below 80%.

Being an appraiser must be cake work, frankly. Drive around, look at people's houses, fill out a form, make an opinion and collect $$.
Thanks, learning a lot.
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05-03-2020 at 11:29 AM.
05-03-2020 at 11:29 AM.
Quote from dimagwala :
More likely I will get out of this home and move to smaller home in 1-3 years.
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and what if the housing market crashes?
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jd2010
05-05-2020 at 08:54 AM.
05-05-2020 at 08:54 AM.
First time mortgage shopper... i can run NPV calculations and figure out whats "better" but no one typically holds a mortgage for 30 years so some of those front loaded costs and fees are more penal than they seem on an NPV.

I have 800+ credit, and have offer in hand for ~3.2% with no origination fee, and industry average type fees for the rest...

Are there better options for conventional 30 yr? What are people's favorites? PenFed has a "low rate" but front loads a ton of fees to where the rate difference doesnt really make up for it unless you sit in the mortgage for 15 years +
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