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inyearstocome
06-24-2020 at 06:07 PM.
06-24-2020 at 06:07 PM.
Not bad, but not much of a combo deal.

DS1019+ price drop is now $570 (B&H), so about $190 per 8TB drive, and you have to buy others at full $212 price. The sweet spot for these 8TB are under $180.

Edit: corrected B&H recent deal price. We will likely see a similar price point periodically for the DS1019+
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brockalee
06-24-2020 at 07:09 PM.
06-24-2020 at 07:09 PM.
These are the CMR drives, not the cheaper, slower SMR drives WD is in hot water over for not disclosing.
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KRT09
06-25-2020 at 01:07 AM.
06-25-2020 at 01:07 AM.
Quote from brockalee :
These are the CMR drives, not the cheaper, slower SMR drives WD is in hot water over for not disclosing.
Are you sure on that? AFAIK the 8+ TB Reds are the only ones guaranteed to be CMR. The smaller Reds were supposed to be CMR as well but they recently admitted that some smaller drives use SMR.

EDIT: Seems that the 64MB cache ones are always CMR and the newer larger cache drives have the possibility of being SMR.
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texst
06-25-2020 at 05:06 AM.
06-25-2020 at 05:06 AM.
Quote from KRT09 :
Are you sure on that? AFAIK the 8+ TB Reds are the only ones guaranteed to be CMR. The smaller Reds were supposed to be CMR as well but they recently admitted that some smaller drives use SMR.

EDIT: Seems that the 64MB cache ones are always CMR and the newer larger cache drives have the possibility of being SMR.
CMR is literally in the title on the product page of the 4 TB drive
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berrnard
06-25-2020 at 05:10 AM.
06-25-2020 at 05:10 AM.
Quote from texst :
CMR is literally in the title on the product page of the 4 TB drive
because people don't lie when they make a sales post on newegg
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Inspiron41
06-25-2020 at 05:13 AM.
06-25-2020 at 05:13 AM.
Quote from inyearstocome :
Not bad, but not much of a combo deal.

DS1019+ price drop is now $550 (B&H), so about $200 per 8TB drive, and you have to buy others at full $212 price. The sweet spot for these 8TB are under $180.

I use more 8TB or 10 TB drives....
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darkguy2
06-25-2020 at 05:50 AM.
06-25-2020 at 05:50 AM.
Quote from inyearstocome :
Not bad, but not much of a combo deal.

DS1019+ price drop is now $550 (B&H), so about $200 per 8TB drive, and you have to buy others at full $212 price. The sweet spot for these 8TB are under $180.
The DS1019+ is $570 on B&H, not $550. That brings the drives down to $190 each for 8 TB.
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satpakinus
06-25-2020 at 07:09 AM.
06-25-2020 at 07:09 AM.
How are the WD reds compared to seagate iron wolf? Do the drives need to be the same brands?
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thatsthatdude79
06-25-2020 at 07:17 AM.
06-25-2020 at 07:17 AM.
Quote from satpakinus :
How are the WD reds compared to seagate iron wolf? Do the drives need to be the same brands?

The big difference is preference and the Rotational Speeds

5400 rpm - WD RED

7200 rpm - Segate IW

So I would match the brands so the speeds are different,


I have 4 8tb Reds in my QnapPeace
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LovelyBanana1479
06-25-2020 at 07:24 AM.
06-25-2020 at 07:24 AM.
There's multiple reports on /r/DataHoarder about sellers advertising these drives as CMR, packaging indicating the drive has a CMR model #, only to open it up and find an SMR drive.

That said, even if you do get a CMR drive, why support a shady company? The shadiness continued this week with their introduction of a "Red Plus" line...
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sirmium
06-25-2020 at 07:37 AM.
06-25-2020 at 07:37 AM.
bought some WD easystore with 8tb white drives last year, are these CMR or SMR?
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jtiago
06-25-2020 at 08:23 AM.
06-25-2020 at 08:23 AM.
About these wd drives for nas!! They are smr drives which aren't ideal for servers
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maltamonk
06-25-2020 at 09:42 AM.
06-25-2020 at 09:42 AM.
WD is now adding the naming scheme Plus to denote non-smr drives. So it'll be 4gb Red Plus will be a non-smr drive while the 4gb Red will be smr.
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Dimitris
06-25-2020 at 09:55 AM.
06-25-2020 at 09:55 AM.
I would stay away from 4TB Reds before they officially launch the "Red Plus" range which will be CMR for sure. Although it is the SMR range that should be called Red "minus", and Red stay what it always was.

BTW, the SMR drives are not slower per se. In isolation and for RAID arrays to be built etc, are actually newer/faster than the "old" 64MB cache CMRs. The travesty starts if a drive fails and you try to rebuild a relatively full array, using a SMR tech drive. So it is a tech that it is just not NAS friendly, or at least friendly to Parity checks. Probably there will be no issues for a simple RAID 1 (mirror).
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