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..and those are synthetic tests. In real world performance you might see a fraction of a second. Hardly noticable. Also the faster it read/writes the hotter it gets meaning it will trottle down. Plus Crucial has 5 yr warranty. Mushkin only has 3 yr.
..and those are synthetic tests. In real world performance you might see a fraction of a second. Hardly noticable.
The Mushkin Pilot-E deal is dead now anyway. I agree that the "up to" figures don't come close to painting a full picture.
The Crucial P1 is QLC-based with DRAM. It has relatively poor endurance (not that it really matters at this capacity) and its SLC "cache" will shrink as the drive fills up. I expect this is because it's not really discrete SLC NAND its using to cache, rather it's just QLC NAND that it's using as SLC by writing 1 bit per cell for as long as there space to shuffle around (correct me if I'm wrong). At its worst, you'll see large/sustained write operations fall to about 50MB/s, which is extremely awful for a SSD as it's basically mechanical hard drive territory. In TomsHardware's tests, this occurred when writing about 150GB on an near empty drive, so at least you wont see this often... until you really start to fill up the drive. As such, this really isn't for professional use (e.g. editors writing large project files). For gamers and casual users, you wont really saturate its cache with large write operations unless you're constantly installing large games on the drive that's at half or less capacity. That said, I've been using my Crucial P1 in my daily driver for about 2 years and at my current rate, it will take me about 12 years to reach its endurance rating. I've never hit the SLC cache wall either, but I avoid large writes on it except for when installing applications I use the most often.
The Mushkin Pilot-E has superior TLC-based NAND with DRAM, 4x the endurance, and sustained writes that don't shit itself when the SLC cache is saturated. So you dont really have any of the compromises of QLC. For $8 more (at the time) it seems like a no-brainer.
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Also the faster it read/writes the hotter it gets meaning it will trottle down.
This isn't exactly the case when comparing different micro architectures, controllers, and NAND technologies. From my experience, when comparing similar generational hardware, slower drives will tend to consume more power and that inevitably turns into more heat waste because it takes the slower drive longer to complete identical read/write operations compared to their faster counterparts. Running longer at full-tilt, more power draw, more heat. Looking at Toms reviews of these drives, we see that the Mushkin Pilot-E is capable of 211MB/s per watt while the Crucial P1 is about half as power efficient at 114MB/s per watt. That wattage is ultimately converted into heat waste. So if we were to compare which drive throttles worse, I would predict the Crucial P1 would not only lose the speed race, it would also thermal throttle much sooner in the write operation when compared to the Mushkin Pilot-E.
Yes please explain. I'd also like to hear this.....
TLC vs. QLC
DRAM cache vs. no DRAM cache
3500/3100 MB/s R/W vs. 2000/1700 MB/s R/W
SM2262EN vs. SM2263EN controller
1300TBW vs 400TBW
Any one of these features is easily worth $10 more. All five for only $8 more? No brainer.
I mean, they are not even in the same category. The Crucial is a cheap QLC dram-less SSD with a cheap controller. The Mushkin has it beat in every single category.
..and those are synthetic tests. In real world performance you might see a fraction of a second. Hardly noticable. Also the faster it read/writes the hotter it gets meaning it will trottle down. Plus Crucial has 5 yr warranty. Mushkin only has 3 yr.
What kind of nonsense is this?
If this is true, then just get one of those 1TB SATA QLC drives for ~$80. After all, they are about 560 MB/s, so hardly noticable and also less hot. Right?
If this is true, then just get one of those 1TB SATA QLC drives for ~$80. After all, they are about 560 MB/s, so hardly noticable and also less hot. Right?
Ok so you are saying YOU can see the loading/speed difference between these drives without a synthetic test? If you are coming from a regular sata drive to any SSD it will be noticable faster. So yes a $80 QLC would do for the average person.
Ok so you are saying YOU can see the loading/speed difference between these drives without a synthetic test? If you are coming from a regular sata drive to any SSD it will be noticable faster. So yes a $80 QLC would do for the average person.
Absolutely. When processing large video files, 3500 MB/s vs 2000 MB/s makes a big difference.
The point is that the Mushkin does everything better than the Crucial P1. Easily worth much more than the $8 extra (while the deal was active, of course).
If you don't care about performance/durability and just want a cheap SSD, then there are much better options than the Crucial. There are a couple of 1TB SATA SSD's listed here for $80-ish.
Absolutely. When processing large video files, 3500 MB/s vs 2000 MB/s makes a big difference.
The point is that the Mushkin does everything better than the Crucial P1. Easily worth much more than the $8 extra (while the deal was active, of course).
If you don't care about performance/durability and just want a cheap SSD, then there are much better options than the Crucial. There are a couple of 1TB SATA SSD's listed here for $80-ish.
Yes that's I'm saying the average person who just goes on YouTube and Facebook that might play an occasional game or 2 doesn't really care about read/write speeds. What's more important is price and warranty.
TLC vs. QLC
DRAM cache vs. no DRAM cache
3500/3100 MB/s R/W vs. 2000/1700 MB/s R/W
SM2262EN vs. SM2263EN controller
1300TBW vs 400TBW
Any one of these features is easily worth $10 more. All five for only $8 more? No brainer.
I mean, they are not even in the same category. The Crucial is a cheap QLC dram-less SSD with a cheap controller. The Mushkin has it beat in every single category.
Right on every mark, but both have DRAM. The 2TB P1 has DDR4 and the Pilot-E has DDR3. Doesn't really make a difference when the Pilot-E is faster in every measurable metric.
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But mine telling me why?
Yes please explain. I'd also like to hear this.....
But mine telling me why?
The Mushkin https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-en...6820226902 reads/writes up to 3500/3100 MB/s
That a massive performance difference.
The Mushkin https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-en...6820226902 reads/writes up to 3500/3100 MB/s
That a massive performance difference.
..and those are synthetic tests. In real world performance you might see a fraction of a second. Hardly noticable. Also the faster it read/writes the hotter it gets meaning it will trottle down. Plus Crucial has 5 yr warranty. Mushkin only has 3 yr.
The Crucial P1 is QLC-based with DRAM. It has relatively poor endurance (not that it really matters at this capacity) and its SLC "cache" will shrink as the drive fills up. I expect this is because it's not really discrete SLC NAND its using to cache, rather it's just QLC NAND that it's using as SLC by writing 1 bit per cell for as long as there space to shuffle around (correct me if I'm wrong). At its worst, you'll see large/sustained write operations fall to about 50MB/s, which is extremely awful for a SSD as it's basically mechanical hard drive territory. In TomsHardware's tests, this occurred when writing about 150GB on an near empty drive, so at least you wont see this often... until you really start to fill up the drive. As such, this really isn't for professional use (e.g. editors writing large project files). For gamers and casual users, you wont really saturate its cache with large write operations unless you're constantly installing large games on the drive that's at half or less capacity. That said, I've been using my Crucial P1 in my daily driver for about 2 years and at my current rate, it will take me about 12 years to reach its endurance rating. I've never hit the SLC cache wall either, but I avoid large writes on it except for when installing applications I use the most often.
The Mushkin Pilot-E has superior TLC-based NAND with DRAM, 4x the endurance, and sustained writes that don't shit itself when the SLC cache is saturated. So you dont really have any of the compromises of QLC. For $8 more (at the time) it seems like a no-brainer.
DRAM cache vs. no DRAM cache
3500/3100 MB/s R/W vs. 2000/1700 MB/s R/W
SM2262EN vs. SM2263EN controller
1300TBW vs 400TBW
Any one of these features is easily worth $10 more. All five for only $8 more? No brainer.
I mean, they are not even in the same category. The Crucial is a cheap QLC dram-less SSD with a cheap controller. The Mushkin has it beat in every single category.
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If this is true, then just get one of those 1TB SATA QLC drives for ~$80. After all, they are about 560 MB/s, so hardly noticable and also less hot. Right?
If this is true, then just get one of those 1TB SATA QLC drives for ~$80. After all, they are about 560 MB/s, so hardly noticable and also less hot. Right?
Ok so you are saying YOU can see the loading/speed difference between these drives without a synthetic test? If you are coming from a regular sata drive to any SSD it will be noticable faster. So yes a $80 QLC would do for the average person.
The point is that the Mushkin does everything better than the Crucial P1. Easily worth much more than the $8 extra (while the deal was active, of course).
If you don't care about performance/durability and just want a cheap SSD, then there are much better options than the Crucial. There are a couple of 1TB SATA SSD's listed here for $80-ish.
The point is that the Mushkin does everything better than the Crucial P1. Easily worth much more than the $8 extra (while the deal was active, of course).
If you don't care about performance/durability and just want a cheap SSD, then there are much better options than the Crucial. There are a couple of 1TB SATA SSD's listed here for $80-ish.
Yes that's I'm saying the average person who just goes on YouTube and Facebook that might play an occasional game or 2 doesn't really care about read/write speeds. What's more important is price and warranty.
DRAM cache vs. no DRAM cache
3500/3100 MB/s R/W vs. 2000/1700 MB/s R/W
SM2262EN vs. SM2263EN controller
1300TBW vs 400TBW
Any one of these features is easily worth $10 more. All five for only $8 more? No brainer.
I mean, they are not even in the same category. The Crucial is a cheap QLC dram-less SSD with a cheap controller. The Mushkin has it beat in every single category.
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Same for this Silicon Power one. Pretty fast at 3,400/3,000 for $195
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...OQJA&