Select Eligible Toyota Dealers [
Dealer Locator] located in
Los Angeles / San Francisco, California are offering to
Qualifying Customers: 2021 Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car + $15,000 in Complimentary Fuel for 2yrs with
0% APR for 72-Months for as low as
$23,108 after Incentives and Tax Credits. Pricing and availability may vary depending on your location, consult your local eligible dealership for more information.
- Note: Offer is valid at select participating Los Angeles / San Francisco, California locations only. Refer to the forum thread for additional deal details and discussion.
Thank to community member
ExtremeOak for and reddit user
XIIXOO for finding this deal.
Deal Details:
- Visit your local eligible Toyota Norcal Dealer [Dealer Locator]
- Shop for a eligible 2021 Toyota Mirai model that qualifies for the TFS Cash offer and Fuel Card offer mentioned on the page here
- Note: Qualified buyers can finance a new 2021 Mirai at 0% APR for 72 Months.
- Apply for and purchase a qualifying model with prices starting from ~$50,408 (may vary by location)
- Toyota Cash Discount will deduct $20,000 from your total
- You will receive a $4,500 CA Tax Credit (more info)
- You will receive a $8,000 Federal Tax Credit (more info)
- You will also receive a Complimentary Fuel Card valid for up to 2 years or $15,000 of fuel (more info)
- Your total after incentives and tax credits will be as low as $23,108 and will vary depending on your location and model selection.
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"The income cap applies for all eligible vehicle types except fuel-cell electric vehicles."
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The media/Tesla have unfortunately shaped the consensus that fuel cells are have no future and thus, infrastructure has been slow to expand, funding may dry up and go directly to BEV related componentry and of course, sales will continue to slow down.
Hydrogen was never a good idea from a physics standpoint, as you scale things up and all the fluff gets scraped away from the equations, you are left with physics, and charging a battery from renewable electricity, then using that to turn the motor, is more efficient per mile of car range than creating liquid hydrogen from renewable electricity, packing it into a fuel cell and turning the motor from that.
If you are using the continuation of oil+gas production to justify the cost-efficiency of hydrogen, well, what's going to happy when oil+gas production stops?
Though it really depends on how long those fuel stations will stay open for in those areas. If it can be milked long enough to break even, then totally worth it. It would have to be convenient to fill up for the next 5-6 years. It is pretty deep in the game now and electric infrastructure development is dominating. It is a matter of time until every thing else becomes a second thought.
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Any comparable ICE car to this (an ecobox) will get 38-40mpg.
50k miles of gas us 3500 bucks, even if you pretend that the majority of those 50,000 miles is city it wouldn't come close to your figure. I mean, maybe in the great state of California though. What are you paying for gas now? 7 bucks?
Hydrogen was never a good idea from a physics standpoint, as you scale things up and all the fluff gets scraped away from the equations, you are left with physics, and charging a battery from renewable electricity, then using that to turn the motor, is more efficient per mile of car range than creating liquid hydrogen from renewable electricity, packing it into a fuel cell and turning the motor from that.
If you are using the continuation of oil+gas production to justify the cost-efficiency of hydrogen, well, what's going to happy when oil+gas production stops?
Hydrogen was never a good idea from a physics standpoint, as you scale things up and all the fluff gets scraped away from the equations, you are left with physics, and charging a battery from renewable electricity, then using that to turn the motor, is more efficient per mile of car range than creating liquid hydrogen from renewable electricity, packing it into a fuel cell and turning the motor from that.
If you are using the continuation of oil+gas production to justify the cost-efficiency of hydrogen, well, what's going to happy when oil+gas production stops?
"Based on the 2020 annual report, Tesla generated sales that totaled as much as $1.58 billion, $594 million and $419 million for the years ended on December 2020, 2019 and 2018 respectively from selling regulatory credits alone.
That's quite a lot of money from a "product" literally with zero cost to produce."
- stockdividendscreener.com
"Tesla's Main Product Isn't Cars, It's Subsidies
Tesla received $713 million in U.S. subsidies in Q3, compared to its $312 million profit."
- realmoney.thestreet.com
"Tesla also collects hundreds of millions from competing automakers by selling environmental credits in California and more than half a dozen other states to car companies that can't meet the states' "zero emissions" sales mandates.
Plus, Nevada ponied up $1.3 billion in incentives to convince Tesla to build its huge battery factory near Reno."
- investors.com
" In 2010, the company received a $465 million loan through a U.S. Department of Energy program which had funded such impressive energy industry failures as Solyndra and Fisker Automotive. Tesla made a big to-do about the fact that the company was able to repay the DoE loan in full in May 2013, nine years before it was due. However, Tesla wasn't able to repay the loan based on profits from sales; it instead relied on Goldman Sachs to drum up hundreds of millions of dollars that same month by managing a four million share issuance of common stock as well as $660 million in convertible notes. So the company paid for debt with debt. A myriad of other public subsidies can't be hurting the company. These include a $7,500 federal tax credit for purchasing a Tesla vehicle on top of thousands of dollars of income tax breaks offered by a couple of states."
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Chicken and egg situation. We need to get the hydrogen production and filling station thing going before this deal is a useful one.
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