HART 20V 4-Tool Kit: 1/2" Drill, 1/4" Impact, Recip. Saw, Light + 2x Batteries Expired

Yeah, even if they last, it isn't worth giving shitmart a dime.

Vs what alternative giving Home Cheapo money? Lol

I hate to break it to you:

But manufacturing quality process does not rely on the workers' "culture" or "pride" to produce a quality product. They use specifications and tolerances, which are measurable standards instead of subjective human descriptions that are not quantifiable. i.e. either a produced part falls outside of the defined tolerances and gets rejected, or it doesn't.

The "inferior Chinese quality" bad rep that Chinese product get comes from intentional decisions from the manufacturer to use cheaper components within the design and looser tolerances to hit a certain price point for the product they are selling. For example, Makita consciously decides to produce the highest-end (better components, tighter tolerances) of it's product line within it's home country (well they are a Japanese company after-all), and a lower-tier product line in China. If you contrast this practice with Apple, it becomes clear country-of-origin means very little. The same Apple product produced in one country will have the same quality level in another because they are produced to the same quality standard set by Management. Same thing goes for a Tesla produced in it's Fremont, Shanghai or Germany factories. (in some cases, the newer factories have slightly higher quality because they use newer version of the components/quality standards, but again, that is intentionally decided by design/quality specifications, not the workers at the country-of-origin).






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I invested in the 40V Hart line - brushless attachment-capable string trimmer, hedge trimmer, blower, and brushless mower - when everything went on clearance last year. Only thing I didn't get (because my nearest store didn't have any left) was the 14" chainsaw. I'm waiting for that one to go on sale and I'll be set...good to hear it's not terrible!


My experience is exactly this, that it's on par with Ryobi (and any entry-level tools from a name brand). I understand hesitation to "invest" in the ecosystem, but if you buy everything on sale, you're going to end up with tools and batteries that last just as long as the Ryobi equivalent but for 60% of the price.

I wouldn't think twice as grabbing these until and unless it became known that Walmart was ditching the brand and Hart was being discontinued altogether. And even then, I'd just buy an extra battery or two when they're on clearance. I don't think the tools are any more likely to crap out than the entry-level Ryobi.

You can probably modify any 20V Li-ION battery to work with the another system through a 3D-printed adapter or some thoughtful modification...but there's no current adapter available to do it.

The Hart batteries (40V, at least) are nearly identical to the Ryobi ones, with only some very small differences that keep them from being interchangeable. When the time comes, I'll try my hand at modifying or adapting one to work with the other but have no reason to do it, yet.

I feel like all of these batteries are just standard Li-ION cells in a plastic box and you could open them up to replace the cells themselves. I could be wrong, though, as I haven't had a reason to open one up.

This is easily my biggest complaint. I have 3 or 4 of the "standard" chargers that came with my 40V tools and they are sloooooooooooow. I picked up the 6A charger when my local Walmart had it on clearance for $30 and it's exactly what all the chargers should be.

It's not. I love HF as much as the next cheapskate and while these Hart tools may only be basic, entry-level units for DIYers and weekend warriors, they're definitely a step up from the HF stuff.


Agreed. Even your avid DIYer is almost certainly fine with what you can get from Hart and I don't think the premium you pay for Ryobi is getting you better quality, just the name, the ecosystem, and (possibly) longevity. For some, all of that is the reason to buy Ryobi over Hart, but I don't think it matters for the average homeowner.

Haha, you and I are in the same boat. I can't kill my Craftsman C3 tools, and I'm downright abusive. I keep thinking the batteries will quit working, but no, they're still holding their charge really well. Only the handheld vacuum was a disappointment.

Wow 6ah charge? Those batteries must be loving you. I can technically charge mine at any dialed speed but I tend to use 1/2 C to 80-90% (unless they will immediately be discharged) .

Remember 20 minute charge -rechargable batteries? They're not around anymore.

Just because they sell something in a store doesn't always mean it's the best thing to use.

I have a mophie power bank that can also charge at 3+ah but after a period you can feel the heat pouring out through the case. I dialed this to 2ah. Problem gone.

Manufacturers will push batteries/battery charging well past longevity limits just in order to appease customers ignorant desires.

Too bad you can not open the casing to see just how hot those cells get when super charging.

The advised charge rate of an Energy Cell is between 0.5C and 1C; the complete charge time is about 2–3 hours. Manufacturers of these cells recommend charging at 0.8C or less to prolong battery life; however, most Power Cells can take a higher charge C-rate with little stress. Charge efficiency is about 99 percent and the cell remains cool during charge.

Fast and ultra-fast charge fills the battery only partially; a slower saturation charge completes the charge. Unlike lead acid, Li-ion does not need the saturation charge but the capacity will be a bit lower.