Lenovo via eBay has
Lenovo Yoga 7i 15.6" 2-in-1 Laptop (82BJ0007US) for
$909.99.
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Lenovo via Newegg has
Lenovo Yoga 7i 15.6" 2-in-1 Laptop (82BJ0007US) for
$909.99.
Shipping is free.
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Specs (full specs
here):
- Intel Core i7-1165G7 Processor (2.80 GHz, up to 4.70 GHz with Turbo Boost, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 12 MB Cache)
- 15.6" 1920x1080 IPS 500-nits Dolby Vision HDR 400 Touchscreen Display
- 16GB DDR4 3200MHz Memory
- 1TB PCIe SSD
- Integrated Intel Iris Xe Graphics
- 2 x USB-A 3.2 Gen 1
- 2 x USB 4 Type-C (Thunderbolt 4/PowerDelivery / DisplayPort)
- NOVO Hole
- Intel AX201 WI-Fi 6 2x2 + Bluetooth 5.0
- Fingerprint Reader
- Backlit Keyboard
- Windows 10 Home
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Before Tiger Lake, TDP means to Intel is that that is the power the CPU would require to maintain the base clock speed. Say take an example of Comet Lake i7-10510U which has a base clock of 1.8 GHz and Boost clock of 4.9 GHz. So, the 15W TDP will guarantee that 15W will be able to make all the 4 Cores running at Base frequency of 1.9 GHz.
In 11th Gen Tiger Lake, say 1165G7, you'll see that base Frequency of 2.8 GHz and Boost of 4.7 GHz. So a normal person would assume that at least at 15W, that Processor will be able to sustain 2.8 GHz, right? WORNG. Now Intel needs 28W TDP setting to even hit that Base frequency of 2.8 GHz and if it goes down to 15W, the clock speed can go down to 1.2-1.4 GHz. Basically Tiger Lake has better IPC but it needs more power to reach those clock speeds. That's the reason, there is no guarantee that if you buy an Core i7 11th Gen, it will perform better than i5 in another laptop because it depends on the cooling and TDP and Tiger Lake performs all over the place. In your XPS 13, I think Dell has set the long term PL2 to 28W which is pretty high for that thin & light Laptop and the Thermal Throttle limit to 100 degree C. So, even when it is reaching over 90 degree, it still maintains the performance but gets really hotter. I am not sure but normally in BIOS, Dell has a setting called TCC which basically adds a negative offset to the Thermal throttling limit. Their gaming Laptops have it, not sure if XPS having it. Go to BIOS by pressing F2 during boot and it should be under Performance Tab. Try to set that to 10 which will start throttling the laptop at 100-10 = 90 degree C and hence provide a better thermal experience.
On the other hand, Ryzen Processors require less power to maintain their clock speed and generate less heat. I have two of them and they run good amount cooler despite having twice the number of cores.
The Intel's design is not scalable with their current 10nm node to accommodate more cores and reaching higher clock speed at reasonable power requirements. I think you understand that Power consumption was so high that they could not release 10nm Processors for Desktop where you can have a lot higher thermal celling compared to a Laptop.
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Otherwise looks like very solid specs.
Otherwise looks like very solid specs.
Lenovo has the absolute worst customer service.
I even purchased the upgraded warranty plan, but I can't even get a service from Lenovo.
My tickets have been ignored and mysteriously cancelled a few weeks later. I follow up and I get "We'll look into it and someone will call you in 24 hours". I'm still waiting for those phone calls months later.
It's been a year and 10+ tickets. I still can't get a reply from them.
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The Intel's design is not scalable with their current 10nm node to accommodate more cores and reaching higher clock speed at reasonable power requirements. I think you understand that Power consumption was so high that they could not release 10nm Processors for Desktop where you can have a lot higher thermal celling compared to a Laptop.
I've never had to contact them (I also definitely have voided warranty by opening my two Lenovos to swap out parts) so I don't have experience with them specifically. But in general, the only help I can ever rely on is when dealing with a big company in a professional capacity (read: the only good support comes when you pay by the consultation).
EDIT: I'm not a lawyer so do your own research.
The Intel's design is not scalable with their current 10nm node to accommodate more cores and reaching higher clock speed at reasonable power requirements. I think you understand that Power consumption was so high that they could not release 10nm Processors for Desktop where you can have a lot higher thermal celling compared to a Laptop.
Background: I purchased an XPS 13 9310 i7 recently. The surface temperatures on the XPS run extremely hot (measured it to be about 105-107 degrees) when under moderate to heavy load. This makes it unbearable to use on the lap without a laptop cooler but then carrying around a laptop cooler along with an ultraportable to every place defeats the very purpose of an ultraportable. So I'm thinking of replacing it.
So here is the question: Would a typical Ryzen 4700U or 4800U run a laptop less hot than the equivalent Tigerlake i7 U series processors? I believe both AMD and Intel are 15W TDP (nominal) but if I had to guess, the Ryzen would generate less heat because perhaps it can get the "same work done with less energy" -- maybe I'm oversimplifying this, but is there any merit to this thought process?
Background: I purchased an XPS 13 9310 i7 recently. The surface temperatures on the XPS run extremely hot (measured it to be about 105-107 degrees) when under moderate to heavy load. This makes it unbearable to use on the lap without a laptop cooler but then carrying around a laptop cooler along with an ultraportable to every place defeats the very purpose of an ultraportable. So I'm thinking of replacing it.
So here is the question: Would a typical Ryzen 4700U or 4800U run a laptop less hot than the equivalent Tigerlake i7 U series processors? I believe both AMD and Intel are 15W TDP (nominal) but if I had to guess, the Ryzen would generate less heat because perhaps it can get the "same work done with less energy" -- maybe I'm oversimplifying this, but is there any merit to this thought process?
The real challenge is to keep a small 13" laptop cool under load. Maybe a fair comparison would be to compare the Dell XPS 13" Tigerlake i7 with the Lenovo Thinkbook 13 s Gen 2 Ryzen 4800U. They are both comparable in size and use comparable cooling systems - would the Thinkbook outer body be cooler compared to the red hot XPS?
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Background: I purchased an XPS 13 9310 i7 recently. The surface temperatures on the XPS run extremely hot (measured it to be about 105-107 degrees) when under moderate to heavy load. This makes it unbearable to use on the lap without a laptop cooler but then carrying around a laptop cooler along with an ultraportable to every place defeats the very purpose of an ultraportable. So I'm thinking of replacing it.
So here is the question: Would a typical Ryzen 4700U or 4800U run a laptop less hot than the equivalent Tigerlake i7 U series processors? I believe both AMD and Intel are 15W TDP (nominal) but if I had to guess, the Ryzen would generate less heat because perhaps it can get the "same work done with less energy" -- maybe I'm oversimplifying this, but is there any merit to this thought process?
Before Tiger Lake, TDP means to Intel is that that is the power the CPU would require to maintain the base clock speed. Say take an example of Comet Lake i7-10510U which has a base clock of 1.8 GHz and Boost clock of 4.9 GHz. So, the 15W TDP will guarantee that 15W will be able to make all the 4 Cores running at Base frequency of 1.9 GHz.
In 11th Gen Tiger Lake, say 1165G7, you'll see that base Frequency of 2.8 GHz and Boost of 4.7 GHz. So a normal person would assume that at least at 15W, that Processor will be able to sustain 2.8 GHz, right? WORNG. Now Intel needs 28W TDP setting to even hit that Base frequency of 2.8 GHz and if it goes down to 15W, the clock speed can go down to 1.2-1.4 GHz. Basically Tiger Lake has better IPC but it needs more power to reach those clock speeds. That's the reason, there is no guarantee that if you buy an Core i7 11th Gen, it will perform better than i5 in another laptop because it depends on the cooling and TDP and Tiger Lake performs all over the place. In your XPS 13, I think Dell has set the long term PL2 to 28W which is pretty high for that thin & light Laptop and the Thermal Throttle limit to 100 degree C. So, even when it is reaching over 90 degree, it still maintains the performance but gets really hotter. I am not sure but normally in BIOS, Dell has a setting called TCC which basically adds a negative offset to the Thermal throttling limit. Their gaming Laptops have it, not sure if XPS having it. Go to BIOS by pressing F2 during boot and it should be under Performance Tab. Try to set that to 10 which will start throttling the laptop at 100-10 = 90 degree C and hence provide a better thermal experience.
On the other hand, Ryzen Processors require less power to maintain their clock speed and generate less heat. I have two of them and they run good amount cooler despite having twice the number of cores.
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