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Alienware - Aurora R12 Gaming Desktop - Intel Core i7 - 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 - 256GB SSD+1TB HDD - Lunar Light $1899.99 at Best Buy

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Windows 10 Home Operating System
Windows 10 brings back the Start Menu from Windows 7 and introduces new features, like the Edge Web browser that lets you markup Web pages on your screen.

11th Gen Intel® Core™ i7 11700F
Experience the highest performance gaming with 11th Gen Intel® Core™ processors and factory overclockable CPU and GPU combinations.

16GB system memory for intense multitasking and gaming
Reams of high-bandwidth DDR4 RAM to smoothly run your graphics-heavy PC games and video-editing applications, as well as numerous programs and browser tabs all at once.

Discrete hard drive + solid state drive
1TB hard drive and 256GB solid state drive (SSD) for a blend of storage space and speed. The hard drive provides ample storage, while the SSD delivers faster start-up times and data access.

NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070 8GB GDDR6
Backed by 8GB GDDR6 dedicated video memory for a fast, advanced GPU to fuel your games.

Upgraded chassis
Thanks to the PSU swing-arm and how components are laid out internally, the new chassis allows for tool-less, secure and easily accessible upgrades all the while promoting airflow.

Cooler than ever
Higher airflow efficiency and up to an 8% reduction in temperatures at the voltage regulator heatsink as compared to the previous generation chassis.

Enhanced accessibility
Thoughtfully positioned front I/O ports with surrounding AlienFX illumination and a wide range of other ports offer extreme gaming flexibility.

Killer bandwidth
New for Aurora 2.5Gbps Killer E3100 integrated Wired Networking delivers 2.5x the total theoretical bandwidth with a uninterrupted zero-lag connection. The Aurora R12 also offers Killer™ Wi-Fi 6 AX1650i (2x2) 802.11ax Wireless and Bluetooth 5.1 for improved connectivity.

No DVD/CD Drive
This computer does not include a built-in DVD/CD drive.
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I got the same system minus the SSD for $1500 few weeks back. But that was from Dell directly.
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I guess if you're buying it for the GPU fine. It's a bad system to live with that will end up giving you headaches. Bad air flow, not much room for a decent CPU cooler, and ssd should be 512 rather than a cheap 256. This is how alienware sells a gpu. IMO.
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I guess if you're buying it for the GPU fine. It's a bad system to live with that will end up giving you headaches. Bad air flow, not much room for a decent CPU cooler, and ssd should be 512 rather than a cheap 256. This is how alienware sells a gpu. IMO.
Considering the current GPU markets of Earth, I commend them for finding a way to provide gpus to gamers without assaulting and insulting our wallets.

I think the SSD is perfect as it is intended to be an exclusive dedicated OS drive. OEM prices are crazy for SSD so I'd prefer to install my own anyway.

Also, the higher-end GPU configurations require the 1000 watt PSU upgrade which includes water cooling for the CPU. At least that's the way I had to configure it on Dell's site.

I think the chassis is very well thought out actually with the water cooling integrated. It is tightly packed but with air flow in mind. The less open airspace in a case the better the cooling can be if fans are properly used. As an extreme example, we have rack servers that cram 8 GPUs inside. If you remove one of the gpus or one of the memory chips or a CPU or hard drive, spring loaded flaps pop up to take their place and block the airflow as it was. The key is forcing the airflow to go where it's needed, which is through the cooling fins. Airflow around the outside of the fins does zero good. Airflow will take the path of least resistance. If there is an open-air space it can buffer into, or any more open route to the outside then through the fins, the loss in cooling performance is much more extreme than you would imagine! With that in mind, I was actually pretty impressed with the layout and design of this chassis... That said, I have done no real testing on its cooling performance yet so I'm just speaking generally.
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Candidly, I think the HP Omen with the Ryzen 5 5600G and 3060 that has a 1TB SSD for $650 less is the better deal.
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I guess if you're buying it for the GPU fine. It's a bad system to live with that will end up giving you headaches. Bad air flow, not much room for a decent CPU cooler, and ssd should be 512 rather than a cheap 256. This is how alienware sells a gpu. IMO.
This guy has it right. I bought three r12s last month and the thermals are terrible, the case looks nice, but would be more efficient as a giant box, and the fans are a PAIN to remove (and yes, I know mine is "liquid" cooled, but they all have fans)... Between the upcoming eth changes and the throttling Nvidia is doing with their non-3090 cards (depending on build time, this may be subject to it? YMMV), this is probably not that great idea if you think you're going to make money from it.
If you want to game, realize that the ram is slow-ish and 16GB, which is probably okay but not what you'll want.
Agree with another poster that the HP deal for the 3060 from BB is probably better.

FWIW, my estimated build date was in June and Dell shipped within 4 days with 3090s, but one of the three was DOA, and the replacement is still in building a few weeks out, so YMMV.

If you're in it for the GPU only, realize that Dell has proprietary and different GPUs than others you might buy, and due to the compact nature may not sell for as much (but I haven't tried to sell, again YMMV). Look it up if you're thinking of flipping.
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Quote from RPGuru :
I guess if you're buying it for the GPU fine. It's a bad system to live with that will end up giving you headaches. Bad air flow, not much room for a decent CPU cooler, and ssd should be 512 rather than a cheap 256. This is how alienware sells a gpu. IMO.
Really?

I've had the R9 for two years now.

No issues with temperatures.

Edit: Well my CPU is watercooled. Which was a recommendation to me courtesy of this site.
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That's a hilarious price for a 3070. Blah blah blah, inflation….it doesn't even have an overclockable CPU.
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I got a R10 5600x & 3080 for $1700 direct from dell in March. Also got $56 in dell rewards

I dont consider this a good deal. Also if you want to make use for all those cores then 16gb is a massive bottleneck
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I'm super tempted to just buy this, take the 3070 for my custom build, and putting my old 1070ti in it to resell. Think it would resell for 1200-1400?
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I got the same build from dell but with a 3080 for $1944
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I guess if you're buying it for the GPU fine. It's a bad system to live with that will end up giving you headaches. Bad air flow, not much room for a decent CPU cooler, and ssd should be 512 rather than a cheap 256. This is how alienware sells a gpu. IMO.
With this chassis, you want to go with liquid cooled. The cost of upgrading isn't much, but the difference is probably pretty noticeable.

256 is fine for boot. Heck, I've got 120GB SSD boots in 2 of my PCs. Just need to be mindful of program installs.
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This guy has it right. I bought three r12s last month and the thermals are terrible, the case looks nice, but would be more efficient as a giant box, and the fans are a PAIN to remove (and yes, I know mine is "liquid" cooled, but they all have fans)... Between the upcoming eth changes and the throttling Nvidia is doing with their non-3090 cards (depending on build time, this may be subject to it? YMMV), this is probably not that great idea if you think you're going to make money from it.
If you want to game, realize that the ram is slow-ish and 16GB, which is probably okay but not what you'll want.
Agree with another poster that the HP deal for the 3060 from BB is probably better.

FWIW, my estimated build date was in June and Dell shipped within 4 days with 3090s, but one of the three was DOA, and the replacement is still in building a few weeks out, so YMMV.

If you're in it for the GPU only, realize that Dell has proprietary and different GPUs than others you might buy, and due to the compact nature may not sell for as much (but I haven't tried to sell, again YMMV). Look it up if you're thinking of flipping.
But what are your thermals? I have an XPS 8910 SE (same base chassis) with i7-6700k and a 1070. It'll hit 72-84 (peaked 91 on a benchmark once) on CPU and GPU while gaming, and that is with an add-on front fan from an R7. CPU is underclocked, but nothing is undervolted.

Yeah, the case is a bit of a pain. After you take it apart a couple times, its not bad. Mostly just knowing what way to move a case panel to get it to pop off vs destroying it. lol
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With this chassis, you want to go with liquid cooled. The cost of upgrading isn't much, but the difference is probably pretty noticeable.

256 is fine for boot. Heck, I've got 120GB SSD boots in 2 of my PCs. Just need to be mindful of program installs.
How long have you had the 120gb drives as the boot drives? I used one of those for about a year and were working well for a while until windows started doing some funky things, loading it up with other stuff. No matter how many caches and temp folders I cleared it didn't seem to help. Finally had to install a larger drive just to get rid of my headache.
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How long have you had the 120gb drives as the boot drives? I used one of those for about a year and were working well for a while until windows started doing some funky things, loading it up with other stuff. No matter how many caches and temp folders I cleared it didn't seem to help. Finally had to install a larger drive just to get rid of my headache.
Installed most recently in Feb 2019 in my XPS 8910se, but as far back as mid-2016 in my XPS 8500. I did actually just upgrade to a 512gb m.2 for my 8910 SE last week, though so I could install VR related stuff on there.

The older SSD is either a cheapo ADATA or Polaroid I think (been a long time). Newer one was PNY. Generally they don't/didn't go much above 50% used space on either drive, just make sure install path of big applications stay off C: .
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