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Did not see this publicized anywhere but a family member sent me an article. You are opted in unless you opt out. May have until June 8th to opt out. See instructions below:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2...neighbors/

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Last Edited by MozartA June 7, 2021 at 02:17 PM
Looks like if you don't have currently enabled Amazon Sidewalk devices, you won't have the option in your Alexa setting to turn it off(?)

So later on additional device become enabled, you need to turn off Amazon Sidewalk at that time??? Meaning if Amazon suddenly enable older gen Echo (or other device currently not in the list) to act as sidewalk, then at later time, the option to turn it off will be available and someone need to remind you to turn off sidewalk???

Or in the future you buy newer echo devices, then need to remind yourself to turn off sidewalk at that time....

Quote from purpledime18 :

OK. Find this.

What Devices Are Sidewalk Enabled?

As of June 2021, the following devices can act as Amazon Sidewalk bridges:

Ring Floodlight Cam (2019)
Ring Spotlight Cam Wired (2019)
Ring Spotlight Cam Mount (2019)
Echo (3rd gen and newer)
Echo Dot (3rd gen and newer)
Echo Dot for Kids (3rd gen and newer)
Echo Dot with Clock (3rd gen and newer)
Echo Plus (all generations)
Echo Show (2nd gen)
Echo Show 5, 8, 10 (all generations)
Echo Spot
Echo Studio
Echo Input
Echo Flex


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blueknigh7
06-07-2021 at 03:50 PM.
06-07-2021 at 03:50 PM.
So just curious - Apple gets to use it's "network" of iphones and devices for Apple Tags and everyone thinks it's genius and fine. But anyone else who tries to put up a competing network does the same is "invasion of privacy"?

Or maybe I'm writing to a different demographic of SDers.
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CrimsonReward7714
06-07-2021 at 04:00 PM.
06-07-2021 at 04:00 PM.
Quote from blueknigh7 :
So just curious - Apple gets to use it's "network" of iphones and devices for Apple Tags and everyone thinks it's genius and fine. But anyone else who tries to put up a competing network does the same is "invasion of privacy"?

Or maybe I'm writing to a different demographic of SDers.

You missed the part where it's Amazon and they don't give a frack about your privacy. In fact. All their ring devices work alongside local police. They can tap in and see anyone's ring camera whenever they want.
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ric0suave
06-07-2021 at 04:00 PM.
06-07-2021 at 04:00 PM.
"As long as Amazon is storing all that data … all of that can be accessible to police. It's impossible to think of things as just private or public surveillance anymore."
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CrimsonReward7714
06-07-2021 at 04:01 PM.
06-07-2021 at 04:01 PM.
Quote from CrimsonReward7714 :
You missed the part where it's Amazon and they don't give a frack about your privacy. In fact. All their ring devices work alongside local police. They can tap in and see anyone's ring camera whenever they want.

Apple uses it just in its network of Apple devices. And it's highly encrypted. They claim they don't even get to see your data.
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markng25
06-07-2021 at 04:05 PM.
06-07-2021 at 04:05 PM.
Quote from CrimsonReward7714 :
You missed the part where it's Amazon and they don't give a frack about your privacy. In fact. All their ring devices work alongside local police. They can tap in and see anyone's ring camera whenever they want.

Where are your evidences? Or did you hear that on Fox News?

Straight from Apple "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in keeping our society safe and we've always maintained that if we have information we will make it available when presented with valid legal process." https://www.apple.com/privacy/gov...-requests/
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Angel_Eater
06-07-2021 at 04:23 PM.
06-07-2021 at 04:23 PM.
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500MB isn't exactly a lot of data, especially given that most of it's just communication between IoT devices.
But still a far cry from "very little", and data is data in this regard. Just imagine, 500 from you, 500 from me, 500 from Fred, 500 from Mike....and if you're unlucky enough to not have an option for fiber, but just shitty broadband that shares the load in the neighborhood, that potential 500M from each house on your street adds up. Did you happen to catch all of the bottlenecks from people working from home once covid kicked in? In fact, that's pretty greedy of Amazon to have the cap that high on something they had the balls to opt you into really without permission (unless you're one that spends your weekends reading fine prints). This shit isn't free and it's clearly saving shitazon millions in the long run otherwise they wouldn't bother doing it. Which brings me back to my original points. Shitazon is one of the biggest companies in the world and is one of the biggest offenders of corporate greed...they can pay me or or lower my prime membership fees, or remove their shitty adds from my display devices. The fact that they think they can milk the benefits for their company from me for free...this sidewalk BS will benefit me in 0 ways. I don't need the "benefit" of tracking any of this crap and taxing an infrastructure that is overloaded in the first place. Yes, overloaded...until my ISP can give me the "up to" 100M speeds that I'm paying for consistently, it's saturated.

You do your internet how you want. But don't tell me what is acceptable or not with my dime. It's a matter of principle.
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a5un
06-07-2021 at 04:23 PM.
06-07-2021 at 04:23 PM.
Quote from markng25 :
Where are your evidences? Or did you hear that on Fox News?

Straight from Apple "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in keeping our society safe and we've always maintained that if we have information we will make it available when presented with valid legal process." https://www.apple.com/privacy/gov...-requests/ [apple.com]
You don't believe Fox News but you believe statement from a giant multinational corporation with track record of using slave labor in country rife with human rights abuses?
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kalatoker
06-07-2021 at 04:26 PM.
06-07-2021 at 04:26 PM.
Any idiot who buys one of those google or alexa things deserve to lose their privacy.
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MozartA
06-07-2021 at 04:34 PM.
06-07-2021 at 04:34 PM.
Quote from KradYeah :
You should really take the time to read about what it is and it's benefits. It used LoRa and low energy Bluetooth to devices only approved by Amazon.

Some use cases could be a dog collar with LoRa to find a lost dog.
I assume Samsung SmartTag (which was free when buy latest Galaxy phone at launch) also has this kind of feature of communicating any Samsung mobile devices that has Bluetooth(?)

Pretty much you can check your Samsung SmartTag location as long as Samsung SmartTag is close to ANY Samsung device that has Bluetooth turn on(?).

So your Samsung phone may be keeping track of someone else SmartTag location.
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RyanMPLS
06-07-2021 at 04:45 PM.
06-07-2021 at 04:45 PM.
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June 8th is the last day to op out. OP please put this in your title.
No. No it is not. It's the last day before things go live. A person can opt out at any time.
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Nature1
06-07-2021 at 05:02 PM.
06-07-2021 at 05:02 PM.
Logged in just to upvote OP.

Thanks for fighting the good fight.
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DelightfulSofa7798
06-07-2021 at 05:29 PM.
06-07-2021 at 05:29 PM.
Quote from Angel_Eater :
But still a far cry from "very little", and data is data in this regard. Just imagine, 500 from you, 500 from me, 500 from Fred, 500 from Mike....and if you're unlucky enough to not have an option for fiber, but just shitty broadband that shares the load in the neighborhood, that potential 500M from each house on your street adds up. Did you happen to catch all of the bottlenecks from people working from home once covid kicked in? In fact, that's pretty greedy of Amazon to have the cap that high on something they had the balls to opt you into really without permission (unless you're one that spends your weekends reading fine prints). This shit isn't free and it's clearly saving shitazon millions in the long run otherwise they wouldn't bother doing it. Which brings me back to my original points. Shitazon is one of the biggest companies in the world and is one of the biggest offenders of corporate greed...they can pay me or or lower my prime membership fees, or remove their shitty adds from my display devices. The fact that they think they can milk the benefits for their company from me for free...this sidewalk BS will benefit me in 0 ways. I don't need the "benefit" of tracking any of this crap and taxing an infrastructure that is overloaded in the first place. Yes, overloaded...until my ISP can give me the "up to" 100M speeds that I'm paying for consistently, it's saturated.

You do your internet how you want. But don't tell me what is acceptable or not with my dime. It's a matter of principle.

Umm... It's 500 mb of data. Not 500 mb of your bandwidth. 500 mb is literally nothing and isn't bottlenecking anything.
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Delita007
06-07-2021 at 06:11 PM.
06-07-2021 at 06:11 PM.
Quote from velocirapt0r :
This is a good thing. Stupid news trying to make an issue of it. A mesh network is amazing.

Yeah when it's a private network. We already have broadband with cell companies, this is unnecessary.
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nyanta
06-07-2021 at 06:13 PM.
06-07-2021 at 06:13 PM.
Quote from kalatoker :
Any idiot who buys one of those google or alexa things deserve to lose their privacy.
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jabberwockgee
06-07-2021 at 06:33 PM.
06-07-2021 at 06:33 PM.
Quote from Angel_Eater :
But still a far cry from "very little", and data is data in this regard. Just imagine, 500 from you, 500 from me, 500 from Fred, 500 from Mike....and if you're unlucky enough to not have an option for fiber, but just shitty broadband that shares the load in the neighborhood, that potential 500M from each house on your street adds up. Did you happen to catch all of the bottlenecks from people working from home once covid kicked in? In fact, that's pretty greedy of Amazon to have the cap that high on something they had the balls to opt you into really without permission (unless you're one that spends your weekends reading fine prints). This shit isn't free and it's clearly saving shitazon millions in the long run otherwise they wouldn't bother doing it. Which brings me back to my original points. Shitazon is one of the biggest companies in the world and is one of the biggest offenders of corporate greed...they can pay me or or lower my prime membership fees, or remove their shitty adds from my display devices. The fact that they think they can milk the benefits for their company from me for free...this sidewalk BS will benefit me in 0 ways. I don't need the "benefit" of tracking any of this crap and taxing an infrastructure that is overloaded in the first place. Yes, overloaded...until my ISP can give me the "up to" 100M speeds that I'm paying for consistently, it's saturated.

You do your internet how you want. But don't tell me what is acceptable or not with my dime. It's a matter of principle.

Love people who think this is going to replace someone's internet and they're gonna cruise around the neighborhood stealing data from their neighbors.

It's capped at twice the speed of 2G (essentially unusable, so to find tile devices, Alexa queries, and maybe allow your ring device to function if your internet goes out), and only works for Amazon devices.

Really curious about the demographic who's going to unplug their internet so they can ask 8000 questions to Alexa in a row then turn their internet back on lol
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