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And for those that can't replicate a theater in their home, these 280fa provide a quality entry into that experience. For the price and quality, it's hard to beat this(frequently posted) SD. Just trying to provide some useful detail for those looking for some insight.
Bought these and the 440c center last time they were on sale. Extremely happy with them coming from my Andrew Jones pioneers (which are great for the price)
Before buying the Klipsch set, I did some research and found a lot of people saying they were bright and fatiguing on the ears. This was absolutely true until I re-ran audyssey. That toned down the highs a lot.
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And for those that can't replicate a theater in their home, these 280fa provide a quality entry into that experience. For the price and quality, it's hard to beat this(frequently posted) SD. Just trying to provide some useful detail for those looking for some insight.
Well a few problems, movie theaters aren't a good example of what object based soundtracks can actually do especially within a home.
They have to try to appease a HUGE seating area then they try to compensate with playing it very loud!
I personally think it's a big contributor why people associate loud with good.
The other issue is there are different levels in quality with "Atmos" and within them there is proper setup to get the best performance.
People automatically think "Atmos" equals better, that's just not the case.
Take for instance these built in enabled modules, very tricky for a proper setup in the average home and even then how good its works varies widely.
In the end it's actually on the lower in quality with "Atmos".
Another issue is most have never heard a proper setup so their perspective is skewed.
The great thing is as long as the person listening thinks it works for them is all that really matters.
I got these from the last FP deal. Currently the best Klipsch bang for the buck speakers available IMO. Upgraded from Klipsch Icon KF-28s to these. These are pretty much identical to the latest RP-8000FAs, but with slightly better build quality due to the full metal base vs the legs of the 8000 series.
I just unboxed a pair of rp-8000f yesterday and was scared I might break the base/legs moving them around on the carpet. I preferred the look of Polk signatures which have the metal base too but all that's been popping up recently was klipsch deals.
edit: I just double checked and the base of the rp-8000f speakers is all metal. I thought it was wood or plastic which is why I was worried it might chip or break.
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Hello I know this is subjective but I am currently using Polk audio lsi15 speakers (4ohms) with 1000watt Yamaha amp and Marantz receiver. How would these compare?
It is very hit or miss and often can be distracting as you can localize it coming from the top of the speaker instead of the ceiling. You can put one nail in the wall and hang a speaker on it even if you are renting it's not like cutting out huge holes. At least you will be mounting it up high where you want the sound to come from
This is literally the stupidest thing I have heard yet from those of you who insist Atmos must be "in-ceiling". Mounting speakers "up high" on a wall are just additional LR front speakers, not Atmos. These reflective speakers would be 10x better unless you don't have the right ceiling for it, and if not you should just forego them rather than follow this bozo advice...
This is literally the stupidest thing I have heard yet from those of you who insist Atmos must be "in-ceiling". Mounting speakers "up high" on a wall are just additional LR front speakers, not Atmos. These reflective speakers would be 10x better unless you don't have the right ceiling for it, and if not you should just forego them rather than follow this bozo advice...
I've got the Klipsch RP-500sa sitting atop my Polk monitor 60's - fortunately, my house (an old Victorian) has the ceilings at just the right height for the bounce and they sound quite good. Between those and the Polk LSiM 702FX rear surrounds...it freaks the dogs out all the time.
I think having the separate Atmos modules would be better than having them built in, as they would be more versatile for placement, but..to each their own.
This is literally the stupidest thing I have heard yet from those of you who insist Atmos must be "in-ceiling". Mounting speakers "up high" on a wall are just additional LR front speakers, not Atmos. These reflective speakers would be 10x better unless you don't have the right ceiling for it, and if not you should just forego them rather than follow this bozo advice...
If you have a object based capable receiver(4K), "speakers "up high" on a wall are just additional LR front speakers, not Atmos" technically you are incorrect!
They are just another "atmos" alternative called height "atmos" speakers.
With this alternative it's just not the "right ceiling" but also reflection point, seating & quality of the speaker that also play a major role on performance.
Dolby originally came up with these "alternatives" for people that couldn't/wouldn't follow their in ceiling(reference) recommendation.
They quickly learned that they were pigeon-holing themselves to a niche market, so now it's just these great options of getting "atmos" sound.
Makes sense, that's why you can come on here and say "These reflective speakers would be 10x better" and others would say there don't do much and just "forego" it.
What hasn't change are the proper setup recommendations. I'm not sure where the basis of your opinion is coming from but I will tell you from first hand experience following those recommendations is vital for best performance.
When done properly in ceiling object based setup is the best quality by far!
It is not easy or cheap to setup in the average home so most people have never actually heard a proper setup.
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I went ahead and bought the pair even though I don't like the Cherry.... Maybe I can paint them black. Any suggestions on a deal with a denon receiver? I'm going to purchase the 450c center from Klipsch... And will utilize the Dolby Atmos and eventually buy a subwoofer. If I have the money down the road my house is pre-wired in the ceiling for some down firing speakers and although that would be great for Atmos I rather use those as my rears. I believe I only need a 5.x setup and not 7.x. I prefer not to spend more than $400 on a receiver. not sure on power requirements... wattage, etc (home theater noob here)
If you have a object based capable receiver(4K), "speakers "up high" on a wall are just additional LR front speakers, not Atmos" technically you are incorrect!
They are just another "atmos" alternative called height "atmos" speakers.
With this alternative it's just not the "right ceiling" but also reflection point, seating & quality of the speaker that also play a major role on performance.
Dolby originally came up with these "alternatives" for people that couldn't/wouldn't follow their in ceiling(reference) recommendation.
They quickly learned that they were pigeon-holing themselves to a niche market, so now it's just these great options of getting "atmos" sound.
Makes sense, that's why you can come on here and say "These reflective speakers would be 10x better" and others would say there don't do much and just "forego" it.
What hasn't change are the proper setup recommendations. I'm not sure where the basis of your opinion is coming from but I will tell you from first hand experience following those recommendations is vital for best performance.
When done properly in ceiling object based setup is the best quality by far!
It is not easy or cheap to setup in the average home so most people have never actually heard a proper setup.
If you can show me anywhere that Dolby recommends putting Atmos speakers on the wall aimed at the seating position, I will admit I was incorrect, but I am pretty sure at that point there are just LR speakers with Atmos going through them...
If you can show me anywhere that Dolby recommends putting Atmos speakers on the wall aimed at the seating position, I will admit I was incorrect, but I am pretty sure at that point there are just LR speakers with Atmos going through them...
You have to look under "mounted" recommendations and you will see it in the diagram called "height" speaker location.
Again you misspoke they can't be "LR speakers with Atmos going through them", they all get discreet channel information to each of them, not shared.
The mounted options don't begin to be recommended until you hit a 7.1.6, 9.1.6, or 11.1.6, and even then there are none where the Atmos modules are all "mounted". All of them have in-ceiling as at least two of the module recommendations. There are no configurations where wall mounted is an option in any .2 or .4 Atmos setup. They need to be in-ceiling or reflective.
I was technically wrong, although for the average/mainstream buyer, there are almost no scenarios where it is recommended to put them there, hence it was bad advice unless one was going all in on a 6 Atmos speaker setup, and at that point I think most should go all in-ceiling, since a minimum of two have to be anyway.
I went ahead and bought the pair even though I don't like the Cherry.... Maybe I can paint them black. Any suggestions on a deal with a denon receiver? I'm going to purchase the 450c center from Klipsch... And will utilize the Dolby Atmos and eventually buy a subwoofer. If I have the money down the road my house is pre-wired in the ceiling for some down firing speakers and although that would be great for Atmos I rather use those as my rears. I believe I only need a 5.x setup and not 7.x. I prefer not to spend more than $400 on a receiver. not sure on power requirements... wattage, etc (home theater noob here)
The mounted options don't begin to be recommended until you hit a 7.1.6, 9.1.6, or 11.1.6, and even then there are none where the Atmos modules are all "mounted". All of them have in-ceiling as at least two of the module recommendations. There are no configurations where wall mounted is an option in any .2 or .4 Atmos setup. They need to be in-ceiling or reflective.
I was technically wrong, although for the average/mainstream buyer, there are almost no scenarios where it is recommended to put them there, hence it was bad advice unless one was going all in on a 6 Atmos speaker setup, and at that point I think most should go all in-ceiling, since a minimum of two have to be anyway.
Yes you were and again Dolby got away from labeling them and are just options now and there are too many to cover individually.
There is no "need" or "minimum" to follow but the concept, in very rudimentary terms a speaker per channel with the sound hitting your seating position(s).
That's why SVS has their Elevation speakers, heck even Klipsch's has their RP-500SA's that work as these modules OR Elevation speaker, they even call it that.
Yamaha even labels one of their speaker connections "height"!
I'm not sure why you think that sound bouncing off the ceiling can be "atmos" but mounting a speaker toward the top of the ceiling pointing at your ceiling position isn't, they are coming at you from the same angle.
As a matter of fact Elevation speakers option are more like all the other speakers, direct radiating pointing at you.
So in theory that should be "better' than bouncing it off the ceiling.
There are many options, which works best for you depends on MANY things but coming in here and saying one is "10x better" is just incorrect.
Yes you were and again Dolby got away from labeling them and are just options now and there are too many to cover individually.
There is no "need" or "minimum" to follow but the concept, in very rudimentary terms a speaker per channel with the sound hitting your seating position(s).
That's why SVS has their Elevation speakers, heck even Klipsch's has their RP-500SA's that work as these modules OR Elevation speaker, they even call it that.
Yamaha even labels one of their speaker connections "height"!
I'm not sure why you think that sound bouncing off the ceiling can be "atmos" but mounting a speaker toward the top of the ceiling pointing at your ceiling position isn't, they are coming at you from the same angle.
As a matter of fact Elevation speakers option are more like all the other speakers, direct radiating pointing at you.
So in theory that should be "better' than bouncing it off the ceiling.
There are many options, which works best for you depends on MANY things but coming in here and saying one is "10x better" is just incorrect.
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I just bought a pair of the RP-8000F for $800 in the deal a few days ago. Should I return them and get a pair of these for $699 instead? Seems like these are exactly the same, but with bonus up firing speakers.
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Before buying the Klipsch set, I did some research and found a lot of people saying they were bright and fatiguing on the ears. This was absolutely true until I re-ran audyssey. That toned down the highs a lot.
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They have to try to appease a HUGE seating area then they try to compensate with playing it very loud!
I personally think it's a big contributor why people associate loud with good.
The other issue is there are different levels in quality with "Atmos" and within them there is proper setup to get the best performance.
People automatically think "Atmos" equals better, that's just not the case.
Take for instance these built in enabled modules, very tricky for a proper setup in the average home and even then how good its works varies widely.
In the end it's actually on the lower in quality with "Atmos".
Another issue is most have never heard a proper setup so their perspective is skewed.
The great thing is as long as the person listening thinks it works for them is all that really matters.
edit: I just double checked and the base of the rp-8000f speakers is all metal. I thought it was wood or plastic which is why I was worried it might chip or break.
I think having the separate Atmos modules would be better than having them built in, as they would be more versatile for placement, but..to each their own.
They are just another "atmos" alternative called height "atmos" speakers.
With this alternative it's just not the "right ceiling" but also reflection point, seating & quality of the speaker that also play a major role on performance.
Dolby originally came up with these "alternatives" for people that couldn't/wouldn't follow their in ceiling(reference) recommendation.
They quickly learned that they were pigeon-holing themselves to a niche market, so now it's just these great options of getting "atmos" sound.
Makes sense, that's why you can come on here and say "These reflective speakers would be 10x better" and others would say there don't do much and just "forego" it.
What hasn't change are the proper setup recommendations. I'm not sure where the basis of your opinion is coming from but I will tell you from first hand experience following those recommendations is vital for best performance.
When done properly in ceiling object based setup is the best quality by far!
It is not easy or cheap to setup in the average home so most people have never actually heard a proper setup.
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They are just another "atmos" alternative called height "atmos" speakers.
With this alternative it's just not the "right ceiling" but also reflection point, seating & quality of the speaker that also play a major role on performance.
Dolby originally came up with these "alternatives" for people that couldn't/wouldn't follow their in ceiling(reference) recommendation.
They quickly learned that they were pigeon-holing themselves to a niche market, so now it's just these great options of getting "atmos" sound.
Makes sense, that's why you can come on here and say "These reflective speakers would be 10x better" and others would say there don't do much and just "forego" it.
What hasn't change are the proper setup recommendations. I'm not sure where the basis of your opinion is coming from but I will tell you from first hand experience following those recommendations is vital for best performance.
When done properly in ceiling object based setup is the best quality by far!
It is not easy or cheap to setup in the average home so most people have never actually heard a proper setup.
https://www.dolby.com/about/suppo...up-guides/
https://www.dolby.com/about/suppo...up-guides/
Again you misspoke they can't be "LR speakers with Atmos going through them", they all get discreet channel information to each of them, not shared.
Again you misspoke they can't be "LR speakers with Atmos going through them", they all get discreet channel information to each of them, not shared.
I was technically wrong, although for the average/mainstream buyer, there are almost no scenarios where it is recommended to put them there, hence it was bad advice unless one was going all in on a 6 Atmos speaker setup, and at that point I think most should go all in-ceiling, since a minimum of two have to be anyway.
I haven't used it myself but had it bookmarked for a possible center channel stand I may need to fashion for the 504c I just got.
I was technically wrong, although for the average/mainstream buyer, there are almost no scenarios where it is recommended to put them there, hence it was bad advice unless one was going all in on a 6 Atmos speaker setup, and at that point I think most should go all in-ceiling, since a minimum of two have to be anyway.
There is no "need" or "minimum" to follow but the concept, in very rudimentary terms a speaker per channel with the sound hitting your seating position(s).
That's why SVS has their Elevation speakers, heck even Klipsch's has their RP-500SA's that work as these modules OR Elevation speaker, they even call it that.
Yamaha even labels one of their speaker connections "height"!
https://www.svsound.com/products/prime-elevation
https://www.klipsch.com/products/...nd-speaker
I'm not sure why you think that sound bouncing off the ceiling can be "atmos" but mounting a speaker toward the top of the ceiling pointing at your ceiling position isn't, they are coming at you from the same angle.
As a matter of fact Elevation speakers option are more like all the other speakers, direct radiating pointing at you.
So in theory that should be "better' than bouncing it off the ceiling.
There are many options, which works best for you depends on MANY things but coming in here and saying one is "10x better" is just incorrect.
There is no "need" or "minimum" to follow but the concept, in very rudimentary terms a speaker per channel with the sound hitting your seating position(s).
That's why SVS has their Elevation speakers, heck even Klipsch's has their RP-500SA's that work as these modules OR Elevation speaker, they even call it that.
Yamaha even labels one of their speaker connections "height"!
https://www.svsound.com/products/prime-elevation
https://www.klipsch.com/products/...nd-speaker
I'm not sure why you think that sound bouncing off the ceiling can be "atmos" but mounting a speaker toward the top of the ceiling pointing at your ceiling position isn't, they are coming at you from the same angle.
As a matter of fact Elevation speakers option are more like all the other speakers, direct radiating pointing at you.
So in theory that should be "better' than bouncing it off the ceiling.
There are many options, which works best for you depends on MANY things but coming in here and saying one is "10x better" is just incorrect.
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