Osaki OS-4D Pro Maestro Massage Chair - $4699

That has been at the price since last week. It is a great price but for an old model. It is not the LE version that has fixed several issues such as noise and poor remote control design. If you don't mind the older model, this is a good deal. It is around $8000 or more at other vendors. It was on sale at $5500 a year ago at Costco and was $5000 near the end of last year. If you can wait for the road show in your area, the Ekon Plus is one of their latest top models and is $6000 at the road show.

Where is the noise issue coming from? As for the remote, don't they have an IOS app which makes it ok?

HI. thanks for this great info. I have been researching and there's really nothing out there which points out these things you discuss unless I am just bad at googling.

With that said, can I ask where you go to read about this type of info? Also, how's Kyoto's chairs at Costco?

I have been looking for a massage chair for months and read all the reviews and youtube videos available. Kyota's website is much more informative on the function and specificity of their massage chairs than Osaki/Titan. Other than that, it is hard to generalize the quality of massage chairs by brands. Both Osaki and Kyota got their chairs made by multiple OEMs that some may be even common for both (you can tell by the same remote control design). For the difference between Maestro (early 2018 or late 2017) and Maestro LE (2020), you can read this article:
https://www.primemassagechairs.co...maestro-le [primemassagechairs.com]
According to the sales rep from Osaki, the Maestro has been discontinued and replaced by the Maestro LE. Whatever available in the market are old stocks. Costco has purchased a bunch of the original Maestro and they are shipped from Costco. The new Maestro LE is only $500 more in list price, so most people would go for the LE anyway.
Some of the complaints about the old Maestro are the poor remote control navigation, short retractable cord for the remote, noisy motor, and some quality issue in manufacturing. It was a very popular model 3 years ago as it was one of the first "4D" massage chair. The new Osaki Ekon+ is a recently upgraded model of Ekon (similar case as the Maestro LE from Maestro) which is made by another OEM that has a better reputation. It is almost identical to the Takasima (a Taiwanese brand) model A-9201. I have tried it at the road show and it is very quiet.
Most apps for massage chairs are poorly written. They are just available for marketing purpose. You will find them to have very low rating on app stores and the websites or product manuals rarely give any information about their apps. The same is true for the voice control on some models. It is available but not very functional.

All these chairs have so much in common from different companies. Very hard to figure things out.

I got Kyoto Raizen M680 from Costco about 1 week ago. The rollers are super strong (hurts me even at 3D level 0). The remote really suck. The foot roller thing does not do my arches. But it was only $3K after rebate.

I went to an infinity Road show yesterday and they wanted $6700 for the evolution chair. It was a nice chair but I can't justify the price difference between evolution and the Kyoto Kaisen M680.

Came home and research and found that the evolution is basically an Kyoto M898 (less a couple of features).

The Ekon Plus IOS app looks exactly like the Infinity Evolution App so maybe they are the same chairs...

I just ordered the Pro Maestro (set delivery to 7/13) just in case they sell out.

I might drive 1.5 hours to see an Osaki road show next week just to be sure.

All these chairs have so much in common from different companies. Very hard to figure things out.

I got Kyoto Raizen M680 from Costco about 1 week ago. The rollers are super strong (hurts me even at 3D level 0). The remote really suck. The foot roller thing does not do my arches. But it was only $3K after rebate.

I went to an infinity Road show yesterday and they wanted $6700 for the evolution chair. It was a nice chair but I can't justify the price difference between evolution and the Kyoto Kaisen M680.

Came home and research and found that the evolution is basically an Kyoto M898 (less a couple of features).

The Ekon Plus IOS app looks exactly like the Infinity Evolution App so maybe they are the same chairs...

I just ordered the Pro Maestro (set delivery to 7/13) just in case they sell out.

I might drive 1.5 hours to see an Osaki road show next week just to be sure.

FYI, I've been in the market for a massage chair for 2 months or so now and have been following prices quite closely. The Kyota M898 is on sale for $4.3k right now, less than the M888. I placed a purchase and it's being delivered in a week.

I haven't sat in any Kyota chairs, but the other SDer is right that it looks almost identical to the Infinity Dynasty.

Based on available features, I believe the M898 is on par with the Ekon+ that was at the Osaki roadshow, so at $4.3k it's almost the same price as the Osaki Encore that is available through the roadshow at $4k.