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I've been looking for a good deal on a decent mirrorless camera but missed the recent Nikon sale. Many people have recommended the Sony A7 series of cameras and this version from around 2015 seems to have just gone on sale for about $600 cheaper than usual.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/pr...rless.html > now $1,236.95
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Market share ensures a company is making money and can support its users in the long term. When you are number 2 and slip to number 3 not everything is rosy.

Less marketshare means less revenue and less resources to innovate.

Have a read

https://hbr.org/1975/01/market-sh...fitability

Do you think companies like Pentax and Olympus can pump out bleeding edge tech on a consistent basis that is not gonna cost a liver?

I have a d2x. Do you know how much that camera was at launch. Do you know what tech Nikon was pumping out back then. The stuff they are doing now is non competitive. The last great camera was the D850. Nikon is slipping and the numbers show it.
This is comical.
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You appear to be the person who thinks the latest body release is needed to make you a better photographer. Nope, it doesn't work that way. Nikon has a new body D870 set to be released as is their latest Z body.
Go through my posts and see I what I say. Anyone on slickdeals getting camera advice here is a beginner. My post was a dig on Green Panther who seems content on railroading this camera so no one buys it. He has unfairly criticized this camera and loves to have the final say. He is a cancer to this forum. I am just responding at his level.
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Been shooting professionally on/off for 25 year and yes, well aware of gear costs. You say "The stuff they are doing now is non competitive" and that's complete nonsense. Apparently you have not attended any recent professional sporting events or wildlife shoots as Nikon has a huge presence and will continue. You appear to be the person who thinks the latest body release is needed to make you a better photographer. Nope, it doesn't work that way. Nikon has a new body D870 set to be released as is their latest Z body.
The people who are suggesting the A7Rii for beginners are clearly not promoting the latest and greatest. The people who are promoting the Canon R6/ Z5/ Z6/ A7iv... etc, are the ones that are promoting buying the newest gear (or close to it). Strangely they promote the newest bodies, with old lenses.

The point is, buy into a system that you can grow into, and a system that will grow with you. As nice as DSLRs are, they are nearing the end of their road. People who are starting new, shouldnt be adapting lenses, thats a bridge for people who are already invested in DSLR lenses.
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The people who are suggesting the A7Rii for beginners are clearly not promoting the latest and greatest. The people who are promoting the Canon R6/ Z5/ Z6/ A7iv... etc, are the ones that are promoting buying the newest gear (or close to it). Strangely they promote the newest bodies, with old lenses.

The point is, buy into a system that you can grow into, and a system that will grow with you. As nice as DSLRs are, they are nearing the end of their road. People who are starting new, shouldnt be adapting lenses, thats a bridge for people who are already invested in DSLR lenses.
Again with this "investing in" and "growing into" talk.

You shouldn't be planning more than 4-5 years down the road (honestly, even that is a long time). I've switched systems 3 times in 15 years. Each time, I sold everything and lost minimal money (in fact when I sold my fuji setup, I sold everything in 3 days and I made money...) Tell me again why I should stick with one?

Buy what is best for you today; don't buy into a system. All that does is make you feel trapped. In 4-5 years down the line, your selected system may not be best for your needs anymore. At that point, you don't keep it just because you are "invested" (aka trapped) in it. Just sell and rebuy...
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Again with this "investing in" and "growing into" talk.

You shouldn't be planning more than 4-5 years down the road (honestly, even that is a long time). I've switched systems 3 times in 15 years. Each time, I sold everything and lost minimal money (in fact when I sold my fuji setup, I sold everything in 3 days and I made money...) Tell me again why I should stick with one?

Buy what is best for you today; don't buy into a system. All that does is make you feel trapped. In 4-5 years down the line, your selected system may not be best for your needs anymore. At that point, you don't keep it just because you are "invested" (aka trapped) in it. Just sell and rebuy...
If that works for you, thats great.

People who have been "on your side", should know what they have been agreeing with.
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If that works for you, thats great.

People who have been "on your side", should know what they have been agreeing with.
Ditto? I don't think most people buying a camera think they're binding themselves to a certain company for the next 15 years. Nor should they.

You gear has a certain value regardless of if you own it; if that value can be best served by buying something different, you should always do that. Sticking with something because you think that you're "losing" money by selling is textbook sunk cost fallacy - behavioral economics 101.
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Not a bad solution, might work for some, but not great either. Not only does that mean my tripod won't fold up easily and won't go into it's case, it also means there's no weather sealing at all with the USB compartment open.
This is done with a dummy battery to USB adapter, so it doesn't break your sealing as the cable goes through the very small opening in battery cover on the bottom. I don't see how this is related to folding your tripod.
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This is done with a dummy battery to USB adapter, so it doesn't break your sealing as the cable goes through the very small opening in battery cover on the bottom. I don't see how this is related to folding your tripod.
It's related because the point of your comment was to make things less onerous than swapping batteries, but it really doesn't do that for my given example. At least not substantially so. Especially if I then have no battery when I disconnect it. And btw, that battery door cover is one of the major failure points people have had in terms of moisture ingress. Enough so that the a7riv changed the design.

https://petapixel.com/2019/12/17/...every-way/
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Agreed, though it is getting a bit long in the tooth (AF is slower than modern competition and battery life is dismal) it still punches above its price bracket.
Im an RP user myself but I recommended my friend get the A7Rii for their upgrade. If you know what to expect out of it then it still holds up great because the sensor tech was and is solid.
AF Speed wasn't the problem with the A7RII, it was the capture speed. There was a delay even in between single shooting, and it favored the shadows a little bit too much.
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AF Speed wasn't the problem with the A7RII, it was the capture speed. There was a delay even in between single shooting, and it favored the shadows a little bit too much.
The AF acquisition is pretty quick on the A7Rii, as long as you are using a good native lens.

There is very little shot to shot delay, IF you turn off Auto Image review. With Singleshot, compressed raw, and AFS, I can take a shot every 0.3 seconds. With AF-C, it goes down to about 0.45 seconds.

Test method, I took images of my phones stop watch, indoors. I started at 5 seconds. first shot at 05.32 seconds, second 05.61 seconds, third 05.94 seconds, 4th at 06.22 seconds. About 0.3 seconds between shots

In AF-C, 5.33/5.78/6.21/6.57/7.02. About 0.45 seconds between shots.
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There's now a buydig EDU deal that doesn't include the a7iii that's been recommended on this chain. What do you all think about the a6600 or a7c instead? Or Nikon Z5 with the NIKKOR Z 24-70mm f/4 S Lens? This would be for travel and wildlife photography.
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The AF acquisition is pretty quick on the A7Rii, as long as you are using a good native lens.

There is very little shot to shot delay, IF you turn off Auto Image review. With Singleshot, compressed raw, and AFS, I can take a shot every 0.3 seconds. With AF-C, it goes down to about 0.45 seconds.

Test method, I took images of my phones stop watch, indoors. I started at 5 seconds. first shot at 05.32 seconds, second 05.61 seconds, third 05.94 seconds, 4th at 06.22 seconds. About 0.3 seconds between shots

In AF-C, 5.33/5.78/6.21/6.57/7.02. About 0.45 seconds between shots.
It wasn't unusable, but it was noticeably slower than other Mirrorless bodies I used. It was a trade-off for the resolution and I was okay with that, but I got rid of it because i preferred the Fuji gear.
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It wasn't unusable, but it was noticeably slower than other Mirrorless bodies I used. It was a trade-off for the resolution and I was okay with that, but I got rid of it because i preferred the Fuji gear.
I agree, that the A7Rii is slow shot to shot with autoreview=ON. I was testing around 0.9 seconds shot to shot with AFC and autoreview=on.

But if you turn it off, and shoot in Compressed Raw..... 0.35-0.45 seconds between shots is pretty quick.
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I agree, that the A7Rii is slow shot to shot with autoreview=ON. I was testing around 0.9 seconds shot to shot with AFC and autoreview=on.

But if you turn it off, and shoot in Compressed Raw..... 0.35-0.45 seconds between shots is pretty quick..
Not when your current camera is 15 to 20 FPS. 😁😂
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this or a7iii (>$500 more)?
Neither, get the iPhone 11 Pro. Comes with lens too! Big Grin
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