DIAMANTE series was recently released, aesthetically it looks different, there's a small chart that tells you the difference in the temperatures it can run compared to the other models, it MAY be worth it to look into it, also it comes with 16" line set that can't be changed on the website (you can add or use your own line set to make it longer).
Out of all the models, DIAMANTE series is cheaper.
Second and third bought last year and this year. Both are 12k BTU's and rated at SEER 20 (115v), the 230v drops it down to 19 SEER. This is the DIAMANTE series that I have.
Prices went up by $50 or so dollars since I bought it, probably due to the shortage.
Yes they are made for DIY. Refrigerant is in the compressor (outdoor unit).
Pioneer CONSTANTLY updates their product without mentioning, and IMO, for the better.
My second unit was bought only a few months apart from my third unit.
The condensation line is a different and better quality.
Change in the plastic part that protects the lines inside the wall.
Different anti-vibration pads.
Register your product! It'll give you a 5 year warranty as opposed to 1 year if you don't.
IF you live in Miami, or anywhere near South Florida, go to their warehouse, and pick it up. I made the 2 hour (to and back) to their warehouse and picked it up to save on the delivery charges. Why?
Because Pioneer website COST MORE than their sister website? www.Highseer.com [Highseer.com]
BOTH websites/companies are the same. And the parent company Parker Davis.
Google PD and their website even has tutorials on taking your minisplit apart or installing it if you need to.
Can't control this through Wi-Fi, but I heard and they promote it on their website, on using the Cielo Breeze AC controller (Amazon it). No experience there but it seems you can control with smart apps/phone as well as a regular thermostat controller.
If you live in a hot area, just leave it on COOL and not Auto. It'll still turn off the outside unit and run when it needs to, but Auto feature sucks, IMO.
Also, hire an electrician if you don't know or can't make the connection, not worth your life.
Tools I invested while l learned back in 17' that I still use today:
5lb R410a refrigerant tank from offerup
Gauge set from Highseer (don't buy automobile gauges)
Pipe cutter from Home Depot
Flare tool from Home Depot
Vacuum pump from Harbor Freight
Adapter from 5/16" SAE to 1/4" SAE (This is a need if you don't have one to connect your gauges to vacuum it)
Proper gloves to mitigate any freeze burns from the refrigerant.
TDLR;
Pioneer is an amazing brand.
5 year warranty on most if not all models now, INCLUDING if you DIY, as long as you register within the timeframe.
Buy at Highseer.com and not Pioneerminisplit.com; same company, same warehouse, same parent company, cheaper.
Go for DIAMANTE series if your okay with 16" line set (and able to run within your temps)
Pickup at warehouse if you live in South Florida.
Wi-Fi module is extra. Look into Cielo Breeze AC Controller
:EDIT:
Comparison chart for Pioneer models
https://www.highseer.co
The 230V version is also available from the Highseer website for $50 less than Home Depot at $650. The regular price for this unit is about $760
https://www.highseer.co
Load Calculators
Pioneer HVAC Load Calculator [pioneerminisplit.com]
Loadcalc [loadcalc.net]
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Never got the chance to posting the deal either, apologies to anyone.
No I'm not an electrician, nor a HVAC expert.
Regular person who just YT's everything and learn as I go. I did this to save money.
The first pioneer I bought in 17' I think, that was a 12k BTU, much lower SEER than my current ones.
Here's a few pointers and info at a glance:
DIAMANTE series was recently released, aesthetically it looks different, there's a small chart that tells you the difference in the temperatures it can run compared to the other models, it MAY be worth it to look into it, also it comes with 16" line set that can't be changed on the website (you can add or use your own line set to make it longer).
Out of all the models, DIAMANTE series is cheaper.
Second and third bought last year and this year. Both are 12k BTU's and rated at SEER 20 (115v), the 230v drops it down to 19 SEER. This is the DIAMANTE series that I have.
Prices went up by $50 or so dollars since I bought it, probably due to the shortage.
Yes they are made for DIY. Refrigerant is in the compressor (outdoor unit).
Pioneer CONSTANTLY updates their product without mentioning, and IMO, for the better.
My second unit was bought only a few months apart from my third unit.
The condensation line is a different and better quality.
Change in the plastic part that protects the lines inside the wall.
Different anti-vibration pads.
Register your product! It'll give you a 5 year warranty as opposed to 1 year if you don't.
IF you live in Miami, or anywhere near South Florida, go to their warehouse, and pick it up. I made the 2 hour (to and back) to their warehouse and picked it up to save on the delivery charges. Why?
Because Pioneer website COST MORE than their sister website? www.Highseer.co
BOTH websites/companies are the same. And the parent company Parker Davis.
Google PD and their website even has tutorials on taking your minisplit apart or installing it if you need to.
Can't control this through Wi-Fi, but I heard and they promote it on their website, on using the Cielo Breeze AC controller (Amazon it). No experience there but it seems you can control with smart apps/phone as well as a regular thermostat controller.
If you live in a hot area, just leave it on COOL and not Auto. It'll still turn off the outside unit and run when it needs to, but Auto feature sucks, IMO.
Also, hire an electrician if you don't know or can't make the connection, not worth your life.
Tools I invested while l learned back in 17' that I still use today:
5lb R410a refrigerant tank from offerup
Gauge set from Highseer (don't buy automobile gauges)
Pipe cutter from Home Depot
Flare tool from Home Depot
Vacuum pump from Harbor Freight
Adapter from 5/16" SAE to 1/4" SAE (This is a need if you don't have one to connect your gauges to vacuum it)
Proper gloves to mitigate any freeze burns from the refrigerant.
TDLR;
Pioneer is an amazing brand.
5 year warranty on most if not all models now, INCLUDING if you DIY, as long as you register within the timeframe.
Buy at Highseer.com and not Pioneerminisplit.com; same company, same warehouse, same parent company, cheaper.
Go for DIAMANTE series if your okay with 16" line set (and able to run within your temps)
Pickup at warehouse if you live in South Florida.
Wi-Fi module is extra. Look into Cielo Breeze AC Controller
:EDIT:
Comparison chart for Pioneer models
https://www.highseer.co
would be alot easier to post what you have.
A 2800 sq ft 1 level ranch style in ohio is going to be different than a 2800sqft 2 story in texas.
and of course insulation, age/tightness of the house etc.
typically a super efficient 1ton (12000 btu) would be good for somewhere between 300-700 sq ft
and as the inverter style compressor can slow down and speed up.. you can oversize somewhat without humidity issues compared to traditional on/off compressor.
And to the guy saying you need a 220v outlet the unit on sale is the 110v unit.
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20 bux.
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I have a 2-zone 24K Pioneer that I bought and installed last spring (2020). They do a fantastic job cooling the main floor of my house (~1200SF), and I wish I would have gotten a third zone for upstairs. MUCH quieter and more efficient than window units. They definitely wouldn't work as a standalone heat source (I'm in USDA zone 5A; winters occasionally to -20*F), but they're great on their own down to about freezing. They're a nice efficient supplement to my regular furnace down to around 10*F. I think the "extra cold" models are technically supposed to work down to -5*F, but if you're planning to use them for standalone heat, I would oversize your units quite a bit compared to their recommendations. I upgraded to a wi-fi (phone app) control system, but it's a little glitchy on one of my two units. I'd just stick with the remote unless you really need to control it when you're away from home.
For installation: I'm not a pro, but pretty experienced DIYer. The HVAC and electrical aspects of installation are definitely challenging, so I would recommend hiring someone to do the final connections if you're not completely confident there. The "Kwik e vac" that was posted earlier might make the HVAC easier. I bought a vacuum pump and manifold/gauges - it wasn't quick, but it worked. Hanging the units and running the lines are relatively straightforward in terms of home improvement jobs. I did have a problem with mine - one of the factory flare connections was apparently weak, as a slow leak eventually developed. It held pressure initially, but a year later, it was giving errors and not working efficiently due to low refrigerant. I had a pro come in to reclaim the refrigerant, cut new flares, run pressure checks with better equipment, and refill. That wasn't cheap, but it still came out much cheaper for me to DIY than it would have cost to hire a pro for the full installation. (I assumed the factory flares would be reliable, but the pro said they always cut new flares and don't trust the factory ones... Lesson learned!)
This is a great deal for $700, if you only need a single zone and if the line length is appropriate for your application.
20 bux.
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can I do DIY installation?
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And to the guy saying you need a 220v outlet the unit on sale is the 110v unit.
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This does the job of the vacuum, which makes DIY much easier I believe.
I had to buy a vacuum, course $80 from HFT and I used it multiple times, so money well spent.
I'll also add if anyone is using a vacuum pump without a micron gauge you're doing it wrong. A good vacuum is critical and takes time.
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Never got the chance to posting the deal either, apologies to anyone.
No I'm not an electrician, nor a HVAC expert.
Regular person who just YT's everything and learn as I go. I did this to save money.
The first pioneer I bought in 17' I think, that was a 12k BTU, much lower SEER than my current ones.
Here's a few pointers and info at a glance:
DIAMANTE series was recently released, aesthetically it looks different, there's a small chart that tells you the difference in the temperatures it can run compared to the other models, it MAY be worth it to look into it, also it comes with 16" line set that can't be changed on the website (you can add or use your own line set to make it longer).
Out of all the models, DIAMANTE series is cheaper.
Second and third bought last year and this year. Both are 12k BTU's and rated at SEER 20 (115v), the 230v drops it down to 19 SEER. This is the DIAMANTE series that I have.
Prices went up by $50 or so dollars since I bought it, probably due to the shortage.
Yes they are made for DIY. Refrigerant is in the air handler (indoor unit).
Pioneer CONSTANTLY updates their product without mentioning, and IMO, for the better.
My second unit was bought only a few months apart from my third unit.
The condensation line is a different and better quality.
Change in the plastic part that protects the lines inside the wall.
Different anti-vibration pads.
Register your product! It'll give you a 5 year warranty as opposed to 1 year if you don't.
IF you live in Miami, or anywhere near South Florida, go to their warehouse, and pick it up. I made the 2 hour (to and back) to their warehouse and picked it up to save on the delivery charges. Why?
Because Pioneer website COST MORE than their sister website? www.Highseer.com [Highseer.com]
BOTH websites/companies are the same. And the parent company Parker Davis.
Google PD and their website even has tutorials on taking your minisplit apart or installing it if you need to.
Can't control this through Wi-Fi, but I heard and they promote it on their website, on using the Cielo Breeze AC controller (Amazon it). No experience there but it seems you can control with smart apps/phone as well as a regular thermostat controller.
If you live in a hot area, just leave it on COOL and not Auto. It'll still turn off the outside unit and run when it needs to, but Auto feature sucks, IMO.
Also, hire an electrician if you don't know or can't make the connection, not worth your life.
Tools I invested while l learned back in 17' that I still use today:
5lb R410a refrigerant tank from offerup
Gauge set from Highseer (don't buy automobile gauges)
Pipe cutter from Home Depot
Flare tool from Home Depot
Vacuum pump from Harbor Freight
Adapter from 5/16" SAE to 1/4" SAE (This is a need if you don't have one to connect your gauges to vacuum it)
Proper gloves to mitigate any freeze burns from the refrigerant.
TDLR;
Pioneer is an amazing brand.
5 year warranty on most if not all models now, INCLUDING if you DIY, as long as you register within the timeframe.
Buy at Highseer.com and not Pioneerminisplit.com; same company, same warehouse, same parent company, cheaper.
Go for DIAMANTE series if your okay with 16" line set (and able to run within your temps)
Pickup at warehouse if you live in South Florida.
Wi-Fi module is extra. Look into Cielo Breeze AC Controller
:EDIT:
Comparison chart for Pioneer models
https://www.highseer.com/pages/wa...comparison [highseer.com]
Some additional useful info here:
Diamante (WYT) series is made my TCL. They're slightly cheaper than the WYS (made by Midea) series just because TCL is a Tier 2 AC manufacturer in China compared to Midea (Tier 1).
Side note: I know MrCool has been promoted a lot both here and on the media, but many don't know they're all Midea units. In fact "Midea Air Conditioning is the leading manufacturer for all major brands like Toshiba, Carrier, Goodman, Friedrich, Samsung, Kenmore, Trane, Lennox, LG, and many more private labels like Senville, Klimaire, AirCon, Century, Pridiom, Thermocore and much more." (source: https://mideaminisplit.
Back to Pioneer: I've installed both (WYS & WYT), I initially thought the Diamante series was better (it has the L/R swing function that is missing on the WYS series) but on closer inspection, I could see where the cost savings and quality compromise is on the Diamante series vs the WYS. So even though they're decent, I would probably go for the WYS series if I were spending my own money. I installed 8 WYS units for myself and 3 Diamante units for others. [Refrigerant is always shipped stored in the outdoor unit for any mini split, BTW
You can get also get flare tool, pipe cutter (set), gauge set...etc from both pioneer and highseer site. Or at least use them to compare prices of other places. Wi-Fi modules also available on both sites. I have both the PCB and USB Wi-Fi modules on my units at home and they're excellent in making you lazy especially when you link it to your Alexa/Google Home. You're basically controlling everything by voice.
Learn to cut and flare line sets (YT it) to have neat installs instead of a coiled up mess that could attract mold and other nasty stuff in the outdoor environment. Use line set covers as much as possible because the insulation on the line sets aren't designed to withstand extended direct UV exposure of the sun.
Fully agree with your view on Pioneer vs MrCool on price advantage. The 25ft "DIY pre-charged line" on MrCool units alone costs more than 1/3 the price of this unit! Plus having to deal with the unsightly coiled up line set...
I think Pioneer has what it takes to be the "VW Beetle" of mini splits in the US, but lately, I discovered their level of customer service has fallen from the previously excellent levels. I was told it was due to COVID and increased orders - who knows. We'll see I guess.
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The units perform very well, especially as temps climb into the 90s. We occasionally ran the heat pumps in the cooler months, but anything below 40, and we use the pellet stove instead.
Installation is a snap. The vacuum gauge / manifold is only 25 bucks or so, and you can pick up a cheap vacuum pump to evacuate the lines for cheap on ebay or amazon. If youre comfortable with running electric and working with flare fittings, there's nothing outside the realm of DIY. Even adding R410a for longer linesets is pretty simple and straight forward.
Overall Ive been very happy with the brand, the customer service, and the performance. Obviously this isnt in the same league as the nicer fijitsu or other brands, but I couldn't justify paying double or triple for the big name brands, and having had the Pioneers for a couple of years, I'm still happy with the decision.
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