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(B&M) Microcenter ASUS Zenbook Q408UG-211.BL 14" Laptop Computer - Grey AMD Ryzen 5 5500U 2.1GHz Processor; NVIDIA GeForce MX450 2GB; 8GB LPDDR4X RAM; 256GB Solid State Drive $499

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AMD Ryzen 5 5500U 2.1GHz Processor
NVIDIA GeForce MX450 2GB
8GB LPDDR4X RAM(not upgradeable)
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It's darker or at least not as light as shown in the pic on this post.
Might be a silver key effect?

Charges via 65 W USB-C charger.

Soldered RAM Wink LPDDR4x but not sure what speed. If they dont say, I assume it's not max.

MX450 is ballpark Xe 96 EU level about.

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Microcenter pickup only BS with no microcenter nearby *grumble*
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Quote from PowerfulClub4936 :
It's darker or at least not as light as shown in the pic on this post.
Might be a silver key effect?

Charges via 65 W USB-C charger.

Soldered RAM Wink LPDDR4x but not sure what speed. If they dont say, I assume it's not max.

MX450 is ballpark Xe 96 EU level about.

250 nits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLCQRpkf9VI
that's actually quite strange combination.
the MX 450/ Xe 96 EU are just a bit faster than vega 7 in 5500U igp, the performance gap between them is likely negligible in real life application (i.e. more than fast enough for daily work, not fast enough for intensive work), unless you need the CUDA (but if you need CUDA, you would get RTX chips not MX chips). you end up paying more and having worse battery life for no performance gain.

this is akin to a desktop with 5700G and GTX 1030... doesn't make a whole lot of sense in my mind.
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that's actually quite strange combination.
the MX 450/ Xe 96 EU are just a bit faster than vega 7 in 5500U igp, the performance gap between them is likely negligible in real life application (i.e. more than fast enough for daily work, not fast enough for intensive work), unless you need the CUDA (but if you need CUDA, you would get RTX chips not MX chips). you end up paying more and having worse battery life for no performance gain.

this is akin to a desktop with 5700G and GTX 1030... doesn't make a whole lot of sense in my mind.
For my needs, I am a just an iGPU person.

I don't know how many people want development in this area but I do.
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MX450 is definitely the least impressive part of this, but it's a good build at a good price. Don't be fooled by the MX450 into thinking that you're getting some high-performance gaming system. As some have correctly noted, it's not a significant improvement over the performance possible with some of the more advanced integrated graphics schemes.

However, at this price point a competent CPU and dedicated graphics present a compelling combination.

Good luck!
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For my needs, I am a just an iGPU person.

I don't know how many people want development in this area but I do.
My point is that this processor contain an igpu (Vega 7), and laptop has a dgpu (mx450). The igup it has has similar performance compared to the dgpu. That combination doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Quote from seanleeforever :
that's actually quite strange combination.
the MX 450/ Xe 96 EU are just a bit faster than vega 7 in 5500U igp, the performance gap between them is likely negligible in real life application (i.e. more than fast enough for daily work, not fast enough for intensive work), unless you need the CUDA (but if you need CUDA, you would get RTX chips not MX chips). you end up paying more and having worse battery life for no performance gain.

this is akin to a desktop with 5700G and GTX 1030... doesn't make a whole lot of sense in my mind.
There are likely some underlying system design, market positioning, and other elements that factored in to the combination (rather than an effort to pair a perfectly balanced CPU and GPU).

Dedicated graphics (with dedicated memory) can actually simplify other board design choices and are likely also a function of other designs and manufacturer agreements. Note that Asus has Intel versions which have been similarly equipped. Those make arguably more sense since the Intel iGPU is operational in low-power situations and the dedicated GPU kicks on when needed to optimize power usage. I don't believe this is the case in AMD designs...?

Good luck!
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For my needs, I am a just an iGPU person.

I don't know how many people want development in this area but I do.
The latest AMD and Intel CPU developments have been very kind to you(!).

Good luck!
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My point is that this processor contain an igpu (Vega 7), and laptop has a dgpu (mx450). The igup it has has similar performance compared to the dgpu. That combination doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
I know. I said as much in my initial post when I noted they were both similar - or, at least not different enough.
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Quote from seanleeforever :
My point is that this processor contain an igpu (Vega 7), and laptop has a dgpu (mx450). The igup it has has similar performance compared to the dgpu. That combination doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
You are right about the performance, but the one advantage of the MX450 is that it has its own dedicated ram. The Vega igpu uses up to 2GB of the system ram, which is 25% of the installed ram in this case.
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You are right about the performance, but the one advantage of the MX450 is that it has its own dedicated ram. The Vega igpu uses up to 2GB of the system ram, which is 25% of the installed ram in this case.
So this the equivalent of buying a laptop with 6gb ram? That's a pass.
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Why are zenbooks all 8gb soldered ram?!

16gb or an extra slot would be an insta-buy.
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This is not for gaming. However it will play lower end games.
I found a good video where it compares the 2020 to the 2021 model. This one has better speakers and USB C charging. Other than that they are quite similar. They do look different the 2021 is a bit taller. The speakers face to the side not down. The sound is better as well possibly because of the speaker position.

Do not expect too much from the GPU but better with it than without it. It does save a bit on the DDR as none is used for graphics.

This seems like a great price.

If you use multiple monitors you are covered.
"HDMI port, not one (1) but two (2) Thunderbolt ™ 3 USB-C"
That means each can do two 4k@60hz monitors or an 8K monitor.

You can upgrade the M.2 if you want. The first review at Best Buy has a picture.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus...Id=6460365
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