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It's HONEY. It's pure sugar that's its purpose.
3rd most counterfeited food in the world
https://www.insider.com/fake-hone...rks-2020-9
76% of US sold honey is fake
https://www.mybeeline.c
How to detect adulterated/fake honey
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While I somewhat agree it's basically a fact that honey has anti inflammatory properties
His argument is that he eats local honey and has no further need for allergy medicine, because it is a fact that honey cured his allergy symptoms. My argument is that he can't prove the honey did anything, or that it was due to a specific type of honey. I'm not arguing the benefits of honey, raw honey, local honey, unfiltered honey, natural honey, organic honey, etc. I'm simply saying he has proven nothing and nothing he says is a fact. If he wanted to actually present facts, he could stick with these three(which we'll give him the benefit of the doubt on by accepting them as facts), and then let others draw their own conclusions, since there's no data to prove anything:
1. His allergy symptoms have decreased or ceased entirely.
2. He eats local honey.
3. He takes no allergy medications.
If all of those are facts, he still hasn't proven the honey is in any way related to his allergy symptoms decreasing. Nothing correlating the honey to his allergy symptoms can be considered fact. He fails to grasp this simple concept because he's so convinced that honey cured his allergies. I've attempted to break this down using ridiculous examples, and stating what simple words mean. He still doesn't understand it. The honey may have helped with his allergies, but there are no facts involved in his story. It could just as easily be a change in location, weather, other allergens, some other medication, other things he consumes. None of it was tested or proven, so no one knows what caused the improvement he's reporting, or if there was an actual improvement. It's all based on his feelings, which clearly center on the belief that honey is an allergy cure. Does honey have health benefits? Probably for some people with certain specific allergies. Has he proven anything with his "well it worked for me and other people I know" story? Absolutely not.
1 motherfarkers have used fake science to manipulate people for a long time. adam ruins everything did a great job explaining it.
2 motherfarkers have discounted things that work when they knew it worked just because money. see ama's war on chiropractic.
3 warpedrotors what you are trying to say is your opponent is using the logical fallacy post hoc ergo propter hoc. an event or effect following another event in time is not reason to declare causality (or any of another couple dozen other ways to say it) this is the reason anecdotal evidence is not really evidence. no need to be a dick about it. try to explain, that while you understand how he feels, you cannot make assumptions on causality. when you have the truth on your side, which you do, you need to be calm and persuade. if you cant then move on.
4 there will NEVER be a study on honey and allergies because no one can make money on it so no one will pay for it. sad really. this does not mean it dosent work for some. it means that we will never know because no one can make any money if it is determined to actually work. so the likely hood of ever finding out by the scientific method is almost nill
5 there is honey that is used as a psychedelic drug because the bees feed on a certain flower. to me that proves that honey could certainly end up with some benefits other than taste so.....
6 calm down all keyboard warriors. we are in this together. no need to fight each other.
7 lastly and most importantly. i read here to learn. the guy that explained why bees for hire honey is not as good as bees for honey taught me a lot about honey and once again showed that honey is more than just sugar. and at the risk of redundancy "honey could certainly end up with some benefits other than taste so....." so thank you to all who have provided info on this explaining all the skullduggery surrounding honey. i have been educated.
The honey my bees collect here in Iowa is coarsely strained to remove wax and other bigger pieces of debris. It crystallizes in a matter of weeks or a couple of months, I gently heat it when I bottle and because most all of my customers want liquid honey. But it goes right back in short order.
Most of the stuff you see on the store shelves has been heated and pumped through filters that take out "the good stuff" because that's what the crystals build on and if you take more of that away, it crystalizes much more slowly. I've never bought raw honey from a store, one thing that is VERY important to know is that "raw" carries with it absolutely no pedigree. Meaning the raw honey you see on a store shelf is *probably* no different than the honey next to it that doesn't say that it's raw.
I sell a lot of honey priced $6-8/pound and it is mostly to people who have left this other stuff behind and have embraced the much better flavor of more lightly processed honey. Now if you've got eight kids and they're ripping through a pound of honey every couple days or if you're baking with honey heavily... that's a different story.
I personally don't think there's really any health benefits to local honey, there's no research to bear that out. But a lot of my customers swear that they feel better for it. It's most likely placebo. I have never and will never make a claim that local honey is going to help allergies or anything like that and I tell my customers who ask about that honestly that there is no research to suggest that.
Honey has become such a wildly manipulated product that I'm not sure what I'd trust anymore. There are "viral" honey tests and they are absolutely not true, you can't dump honey in water, to start it on fire, or things like this in order to test if it's cut with syrup.
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The honey my bees collect here in Iowa is coarsely strained to remove wax and other bigger pieces of debris. It crystallizes in a matter of weeks or a couple of months, I gently heat it when I bottle and because most all of my customers want liquid honey. But it goes right back in short order.
Most of the stuff you see on the store shelves has been heated and pumped through filters that take out "the good stuff" because that's what the crystals build on and if you take more of that away, it crystalizes much more slowly. I've never bought raw honey from a store, one thing that is VERY important to know is that "raw" carries with it absolutely no pedigree. Meaning the raw honey you see on a store shelf is *probably* no different than the honey next to it that doesn't say that it's raw.
I sell a lot of honey priced $6-8/pound and it is mostly to people who have left this other stuff behind and have embraced the much better flavor of more lightly processed honey. Now if you've got eight kids and they're ripping through a pound of honey every couple days or if you're baking with honey heavily... that's a different story.
I personally don't think there's really any health benefits to local honey, there's no research to bear that out. But a lot of my customers swear that they feel better for it. It's most likely placebo. I have never and will never make a claim that local honey is going to help allergies or anything like that and I tell my customers who ask about that honestly that there is no research to suggest that.
Honey has become such a wildly manipulated product that I'm not sure what I'd trust anymore. There are "viral" honey tests and they are absolutely not true, you can't dump honey in water, to start it on fire, or things like this in order to test if it's cut with syrup.
Now, there are health benefits to honey that go beyond allergies: pain relief and wound healing. These studies tend to use specific honey (Ceiba pentandra and Manuka honey) that you won't find in your local big-box grocery store. The effects of these products are documented but the explanation as to why they work remains unclear.
This [ac.uk] is a bit dated but an easier read on the topic. This one [file.io] is from 2021 but contains more technical language. They both come to similar conclusions: honey probably does help with allergies but we don't know enough to say when, why, or how.
If you know a local beekeeper that collects pollen from their bees that is most likely to help prevent allergies, but beware that you are consuming the allergen and could have adverse reactions (such as not being able to breath). The idea here is that you expose yourself to increasing concentrations of pollen such that eventually, your body doesn't respond to normal aerosolized quantities.
As for crystallization goes, warming honey removes the crystals just as you said. We actually keep a jar of crystallized honey because it's cheaper than buying whipped honey and makes a good spread for toast and starchy vegetables. But, it has nothing to do with health benefits - it just tastes great.
The post you reference was referencing the fact that the guy I was replying to didn't bother to answer a simple question. Maybe read a bit before spouting off.
The internet is only an information tool if used correctly. Of course it is not the only tool and the only one that seems butt hurt here is you.
There are some people here posting some very good arguments on both sides and seem to have vested time in it. Go read some of those posts cause I'm really not that interested in the subject. Unless you want to reply to me again... and in doing so, yet again prove how driven by emotion you are.
There are some people here posting some very good arguments on both sides and seem to have vested time in it. Go read some of those posts cause I'm really not that interested in the subject. Unless you want to reply to me again... and in doing so, yet again prove how driven by emotion you are.