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100-Watt 12-Volt Flexible Monocrystalline Solar Panel

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HQSolarPower.com has Lithium Iron Phosphate Batteries, Solar Panels & More on sale below.

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    • If you decide to return your purchase, HQST Solar will allow for a refund for new, undamaged, and unmodified products within 30 days of receiving the order. Returns submitted for a refund may be subject to a 10% restocking fee and shipping costs.
    • HQST Solar will waive the 10% restocking fee and pay for shipping in the following situations: carrier damage, a defective product, a product does not match advertising, receiving an incorrect product, or a product was an extra item that was not ordered. For any other reasons, customers are responsible for shipping fees.
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HQSolarPower.com has Lithium Iron Phosphate Batteries, Solar Panels & More on sale below.

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  • HQST Return Policy:
    • If you decide to return your purchase, HQST Solar will allow for a refund for new, undamaged, and unmodified products within 30 days of receiving the order. Returns submitted for a refund may be subject to a 10% restocking fee and shipping costs.
    • HQST Solar will waive the 10% restocking fee and pay for shipping in the following situations: carrier damage, a defective product, a product does not match advertising, receiving an incorrect product, or a product was an extra item that was not ordered. For any other reasons, customers are responsible for shipping fees.
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eiei
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The lithium technology is now becoming easily accessible to general population. 3000 charge cycle expectancy is difficult believe, offering 10 times longer lasting usability than lead acid or AGM types, or up to 5-6 times more than first generation lithium ion batteries.

This equates to minimum 10+ years life expectancy, yet priced at par with high quality commercial lead-acid batteries.

This is fabulous and unrealistic deal, but I don't believe seller's claim. If they truly believe their hardware to last minimum charge cycle of 3000, they'd be accompanied with stated warranty accordingly, that is minimum 10 years free of replacement guarantee, that is to say, free battery replacement rights to purchasers if storage capacity degraded to industry standard of 60-70% of original specification.

This really may be a quantum leap jump in battery technology everyone wants, or just a hype to find a sucker. I'd tend to believe it be be later case, as I can't find warranty replacement policy that support its claims.

There still is many merchants selling over-stated lithium batteries in eBay. I do not believe they wanted quick income by cheating someone, but they really do NOT understand the underlying battery technology. I hope merchants in this understand the items they sell to public.
boxedlunch
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You must not be familiar with LiFePO4 chemistry.
ikonoklast
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LiFePO4 chemistry batteries have high cycle counts in the thousands. 3000 is a reasonable expectation for these batteries. Whether the manufacturer puts in quality cells is something buyer has to research.

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Nov 30, 2021 06:41 PM
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MiamipantherNov 30, 2021 06:41 PM
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Quote from Hun-chan :
The battery comes to $3.65/Ah. If you are willing to wait for a slow boat from China and assemble the battery/BMS yourself you can get as low as $2ish/Ah.

I used these to build a 280Ah system.

4pcs/lot VariCore 3.2V 280AH battery pack [aliexpress.com]
BMS Li-ion LiFePO4 [aliexpress.com]
This is very tempting price, how was the battery? grade A or grade B, did you do battery capacity test.

We are also looking to DIY battery bank for our RV
Nov 30, 2021 06:43 PM
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Joined Apr 2016
davidcy1121Nov 30, 2021 06:43 PM
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Quote from eiei :
The lithium technology is now becoming easily accessible to general population. 3000 charge cycle expectancy is difficult believe, offering 10 times longer lasting usability than lead acid or AGM types, or up to 5-6 times more than first generation lithium ion batteries.

This equates to minimum 10+ years life expectancy, yet priced at par with high quality commercial lead-acid batteries.

This is fabulous and unrealistic deal, but I don't believe seller's claim. If they truly believe their hardware to last minimum charge cycle of 3000, they'd be accompanied with stated warranty accordingly, that is minimum 10 years free of replacement guarantee, that is to say, free battery replacement rights to purchasers if storage capacity degraded to industry standard of 60-70% of original specification.

This really may be a quantum leap jump in battery technology everyone wants, or just a hype to find a sucker. I'd tend to believe it be be later case, as I can't find warranty replacement policy that support its claims.

There still is many merchants selling over-stated lithium batteries in eBay. I do not believe they wanted quick income by cheating someone, but they really do NOT understand the underlying battery technology. I hope merchants in this understand the items they sell to public.
this technology is not new, and their claims are true if they are grade A cells. With grade A lifepo4 you can expect 2000 cycles at 100% capacity, with a usable life much longer. that being said at what these are priced I doubt they are grade A, but still a good price. Also because of the discharge curve of lifepo4 the battery will last longer than a 100AH lead battery. It would be appropriate to research the chemistry before comments like these, an uneducated comment like this will turn people away from the Chemistry. This technology is safer and better that both lead and lithium ion.
Nov 30, 2021 06:49 PM
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davidcy1121Nov 30, 2021 06:49 PM
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Quote from GadgetAddicted :
The manufacturer explicitly says not to wire these in series....twice...on the product page. Why? I don't know.
To keep the price low they likely use a cheap BMS that cannot handle a series connection
Nov 30, 2021 06:51 PM
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kschlegeNov 30, 2021 06:51 PM
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Quote from armedmetallica :
does it replace the standard 12V battery? any disadvantages of doing that?
No, these are for RV batteries that are "inside" the RV somewhere, not outside. Typically you have these in a cabinet and then put some solar panels on the roof somewhere to charge them. Could be used for campers too. Probably smaller than LA too.

One image says rated to -20c ... but I don't believe it.

https://support.gpelectric.com/kb...mperature/

A lot of their claims seem fishy to me ...
Last edited by kschlege November 30, 2021 at 10:58 AM.
Nov 30, 2021 06:59 PM
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MSG123Nov 30, 2021 06:59 PM
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Quote from GadgetAddicted :
The manufacturer explicitly says not to wire these in series....twice...on the product page. Why? I don't know.
Damn, really? Oof. Good to know. It's likely their BMS.
Nov 30, 2021 07:04 PM
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ozmotesNov 30, 2021 07:04 PM
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Quote from hoozswup :
I want to say kudos to Slickdeals because I feel like it is finally back to its glory day of good and interesting product recommendations like this one. Lately, their algorithm has generated items that simply repeats itself with different brands probably because they can get more money out of it. But from my perspective, none of the products spark any interest to get them. They need to get back on track to recommend interesting products like this one.
agreed. I don't need anything in the post at the moment, but I'm glad I've been made aware of how the market has evolved for LiFePO4 batteries
Nov 30, 2021 07:22 PM
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etronzNov 30, 2021 07:22 PM
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Thank you OP. In for one. Apparently it did not charge sales tax either.

I think it will work with the MPPT that shipped with this deal: https://slickdeals.net/f/15452806-renogy-100-watts-12-volts-monocrystalline-solar-starter-kit-with-30a-pwm-charge-controller-amazon-100-86-or-just-100w-solar-panel-65-17 The Renogy Wander 30A MPPT manuals suggest it is already calibrated for LFP batteries, however the charging limit voltage of 15.5V (14.3V boost) is a bit hot for the HQST specification of Charge Cut-off Voltage of 14.6V. It may work fine out of the box. If not, there appears to be ways to change these parameters via the RS232 port.

Pretty good deal for 100W panel, MPPT, and 1200Wh of battery between both of those purchases. A nice toy that may actually last a while.

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Nov 30, 2021 07:30 PM
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etronzNov 30, 2021 07:30 PM
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OOS directly from HQST, however a similar listing from them for $380 on their ebay storefront is still alive: https://www.ebay.com/itm/165039470582
Nov 30, 2021 07:45 PM
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noobie107Nov 30, 2021 07:45 PM
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Quote from kschlege :
No, these are for RV batteries that are "inside" the RV somewhere, not outside. Typically you have these in a cabinet and then put some solar panels on the roof somewhere to charge them. Could be used for campers too. Probably smaller than LA too.

One image says rated to -20c ... but I don't believe it.

https://support.gpelectric.com/kb...mperature/ [gpelectric.com]

A lot of their claims seem fishy to me ...
it's safe to discharge LFP in freezing weather. you just shouldn't charge them in freezing weather without first warming them up. discharging batteries usually warms them up enough to safely charge.
Nov 30, 2021 07:56 PM
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VegasGuy89183Nov 30, 2021 07:56 PM
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Quote from RCFlyer :
Check out https://diysolarforum.com [diysolarforum.com] It's the forum for a well known solar/battery youtuber named Will Prowse.
In there you can learn about how these lifepo4 batteries are built, where to get cells, and where to buy BMS's, and how to set it up. For about $600 I built a ~12V 4S battery with ~250Ah including a quality BMS. It's really not that difficult. That was over 6 months ago and prices have gone up since then, but it's still a real bargain compared to old battery types.
I've watched Will Prowse's Youtube channel since he was still in his RV doing videos. He's a gold mine of information when it comes to lifepo4 batteries and solar panels. Anyone not familiar with the technology should start there.
Nov 30, 2021 08:49 PM
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Core2QuadNov 30, 2021 08:49 PM
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Quote from ikonoklast :
LiFepo4 battery in general should not be used in freezing conditions. The battery management system should have low temp cutoff to prevent damage. This is not a replacement for lead-acid battery for engine cranking. This is good for providing power for other applications like powering your RV/house where it's in above freezing temps.
They can absolutely be used in freezing conditions (with diminished capacity, like all batteries), just you don't want to charge a Li-ion battery when it is freezing.
Nov 30, 2021 08:51 PM
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FloridaKevinNov 30, 2021 08:51 PM
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I don't know if the low temp protection on the listed battery has low temp charging protection as it isn't tested in the youtube video. However, the low temp protection is to prevent "charging" of the battery, not "discharge" of the battery. Charging below freezing can damage the cells instantly. Discharging below freezing is nowhere near as bad, and is typically unregulated. Amazon has the zooms (chins clone) 100ah for $359 and has a $20 coupon which makes it $339. They also have the 200ah for $689 with a $45 coupon making that one $644. I have the 100ah and it has been great so far. I know the zooms does not have low charging protection (although it is stated that it does) so that is one thing to keep in mind. There is another by Weize that was $350 for the 100ah and DID have low temp charging protection, but it has been out of stock since a day or two after Will Prowse did his disection video of one on YouTube. If you want to learn about LiFeP04 technology, Will Prowse's youtube channel has a plethora of info.
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Nov 30, 2021 08:54 PM
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Sam HobbsNov 30, 2021 08:54 PM
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My electricity plan charges more between 4 PM and 9 PM. If something like this could be used to power the HVAC during that time and then recharge the rest of the time then that would be fantastic.
Nov 30, 2021 08:55 PM
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deallmeNov 30, 2021 08:55 PM
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Quote from RCFlyer :
Check out https://diysolarforum.com [diysolarforum.com] It's the forum for a well known solar/battery youtuber named Will Prowse.
In there you can learn about how these lifepo4 batteries are built, where to get cells, and where to buy BMS's, and how to set it up. For about $600 I built a ~12V 4S battery with ~250Ah including a quality BMS. It's really not that difficult. That was over 6 months ago and prices have gone up since then, but it's still a real bargain compared to old battery types.
Can you provide more info on the battery you built? I have been watching Prowse for a while and am considering the same....

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Nov 30, 2021 09:10 PM
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leptoidNov 30, 2021 09:10 PM
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Quote from eiei :
The lithium technology is now becoming easily accessible to general population. 3000 charge cycle expectancy is difficult believe, offering 10 times longer lasting usability than lead acid or AGM types, or up to 5-6 times more than first generation lithium ion batteries.

This equates to minimum 10+ years life expectancy, yet priced at par with high quality commercial lead-acid batteries.

This is fabulous and unrealistic deal, but I don't believe seller's claim. If they truly believe their hardware to last minimum charge cycle of 3000, they'd be accompanied with stated warranty accordingly, that is minimum 10 years free of replacement guarantee, that is to say, free battery replacement rights to purchasers if storage capacity degraded to industry standard of 60-70% of original specification.

This really may be a quantum leap jump in battery technology everyone wants, or just a hype to find a sucker. I'd tend to believe it be be later case, as I can't find warranty replacement policy that support its claims.

There still is many merchants selling over-stated lithium batteries in eBay. I do not believe they wanted quick income by cheating someone, but they really do NOT understand the underlying battery technology. I hope merchants in this understand the items they sell to public.
I could get a good look at a t-bone by sticking my head up a butcher's a$$, ... wait no... a cow up the butcher's... no.. i think it has to be your cow...
Aww... i suck at sales!


I would rather 1/2 or less and not have the word warranty printed on a box.
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