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expiredusername3 posted Dec 10, 2021 04:48 PM
expiredusername3 posted Dec 10, 2021 04:48 PM

Pioneer - 43" Class LED 4K UHD Smart Fire TV and Free Echo Dot (3rd gen) $230

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$370 TV for $230 with an Echo Dot (3rd gen).

Chroma subsampling 422 or 444?

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/pion...Id=6462309


Amazon without Echo Dot for $230. Previous low price on Amazon was $260.

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-43...TW5CP?th=1

Model: PN43951-22U
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$370 TV for $230 with an Echo Dot (3rd gen).

Chroma subsampling 422 or 444?

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/pion...Id=6462309


Amazon without Echo Dot for $230. Previous low price on Amazon was $260.

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-43...TW5CP?th=1

Model: PN43951-22U

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Dec 10, 2021 05:14 PM
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euuser28684342Dec 10, 2021 05:14 PM
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How's fire TV OS as compared to roku or android? Is it full of ads and can it be tweaked to remove?
Dec 10, 2021 05:23 PM
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buzzyDec 10, 2021 05:23 PM
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Interesting. Similar deals on the 50 inch at Amazon [amazon.com] and Best Buy [bestbuy.com] for $280.

Reviews aren't great at the two sites. And raise some good questions, like how good is the remote?

Not a lot of info around. Made by TCL?
https://www.t3.com/us/news/pionee...v-built-in

IMO if you're into the Amazon system Fire is good. Not particularly customizable AFAIK, but lots of main apps available. Doesn't have that weird thing LG does where some apps just aren't and never will be available. Ads don't bother me, all for related content. Can't say about Roku. What's a Tizen? Fire is cleaner than WebOS, less funky than Android and Google Play. NTTAWW funky.

Normally these old brand names mean nothing, most are zombies bought out of bankruptcy and licensed to anyone (eg Polaroid, Lexar). It's just a way to extract what's left of the value. When Onkyo sold its home audio division, they kept the rights to some uses of the Pioneer brand name. For TVs it may be licensed to TCL.
Last edited by buzzy December 10, 2021 at 09:41 AM.
Dec 10, 2021 05:52 PM
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SDRacerR1Dec 10, 2021 05:52 PM
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Thanks for the heads up. Bought this the other day for 250 at BB, so they refunded the difference and ordered the dot for me.
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Dec 10, 2021 06:12 PM
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Quote from SDRacerR1 :
Thanks for the heads up. Bought this the other day for 250 at BB, so they refunded the difference and ordered the dot for me.
Does the TV have gaming mode for low latency?

How does the last two lines of this chroma subsampling 444 test look on it?

https://www.rtings.com/images/tes...ma-444.png
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Dec 10, 2021 07:47 PM
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link626Dec 10, 2021 07:47 PM
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amazon same price.

i like Roku better because there is a phone app that lets you adjust the color.
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Dec 10, 2021 07:52 PM
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schloopDec 10, 2021 07:52 PM
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IDK Pioneer made TVs. Is this quality or are they just selling out their name like RCA and Philips?
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Dec 10, 2021 07:54 PM
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link626Dec 10, 2021 07:54 PM
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garbage reviews on amazon
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Dec 11, 2021 03:14 PM
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gareneauDec 11, 2021 03:14 PM
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Quote from schloop :
IDK Pioneer made TVs. Is this quality or are they just selling out their name like RCA and Philips?
I still own two Pioneer Kuro plasma monitors. Seen (pardon the pun) no reason to change yet.
Dec 12, 2021 04:08 AM
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hanoverfistDec 12, 2021 04:08 AM
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Quote from NotWindows :
How's fire TV OS as compared to roku or android? Is it full of ads and can it be tweaked to remove?
I bought the insignia fire tv and wish I got the roku. Amazon sticks all ita ads and promos on top. You got fight thru it to get to the channels
Dec 13, 2021 05:38 AM
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bugs1109Dec 13, 2021 05:38 AM
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Pioneer was famous for their high quality plasma screen with very high contrast ratio. Now someone is using it and destroying their reputation on a cheap low quality LCD. If they put their name on an oled, then it would bring in the high quality feeling.
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Dec 13, 2021 03:01 PM
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Dec 13, 2021 03:01 PM
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Expired. The price is back to $260. the price is $230 again.
Last edited by username3 December 14, 2021 at 04:20 AM.
Dec 13, 2021 03:21 PM
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Shake-N-BakeDec 13, 2021 03:21 PM
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I'm always amazed that some of these old brands still bother making TVs. Buying a Pioneer TV in 2021 is like buying RCA or Philips. These once popular brands have been a complete joke in the TV world for years.
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Dec 13, 2021 09:00 PM
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Do not buy this for gaming. This Pioneer lags four frames behind this $200 RCA 4K Roku TV. I turned off all picture settings and it switches to gaming mode automatically. As a PC monitor, the text is muddled in the last lines of the chroma subsampling 444 test.

Edit: after updating OS, it does not lag four frames behind. The chroma subsampling 444 test is perfect at 4k 30Hz and HDMI 1.4 mode.
Last edited by username3 December 13, 2021 at 10:54 PM.
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Dec 13, 2021 09:39 PM
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Quote from schloop :
IDK Pioneer made TVs. Is this quality or are they just selling out their name like RCA and Philips?
Best Buy is licensing the Pioneer name. [aftvnews.com]

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You may be surprised to hear the Pioneer name associated with TVs because Pioneer notably exited the TV market in 2010. While Pioneer, back then, was known mostly in the TV industry for its high-end Pioneer Elite plasma TVs, these new Pioneer Fire TV Smart TVs have little to nothing in common with those TVs or the Pioneer company. That's because Best Buy is simply licensing the Pioneer name for use on these TVs, which makes these TVs more closely related to Best Buy's own house brand Insignia Fire TV Smart TVs than anything else. That's not to say that these will be bad TVs, since Insignia Fire TVs are quite well-reviewed, but understand that the press release stating that "Pioneer is back" is a bit of a stretch, to say the least.

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Dec 14, 2021 06:53 AM
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The four frame lag is gone after updating the OS. I can recommend this for gaming.

At 4k 30Hz and HDMI 1.4 mode, the text is perfect in the chroma subsampling 444 test.
Last edited by username3 December 13, 2021 at 10:59 PM.

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