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This one doesnt support wifi-6. SXK30 model that supports wifi 6 also seems to be on sale for 180$ though. (but the sxk30 is dual band as opposed to the tri band one in this deal) https://smile.amazon.com/NETGEAR-...le_ce?th=1
Try and explain the benefit of wifi6 over wifi5 for the average person to me then? Because, unless you have a lot of Wifi6 devices, you will see no benefit.
Wifi6 does not help significantly with RF congestion (wifi6E will, but that's a whole other update and requires Wifi6E compatible clients too). A Wave 2 Wifi5 device (which was an update well after 2012) can perform quite well and for most people, will provide all the speed they need.
If you won't have a lot of Wifi6/Wifi6E devices for 2-3 years, you may as well wait and just get Wifi7 in about 3-4 years, which will actually be a large leap in speed and significantly improve the quality of connections even for older Wifi5 devices on it's network.
I'm all for buying upgraded stuff and I won't tell people to avoid Wifi6, but unless you have multiple devices that support it or will be adding new devices that do (most IoT devices or streaming units won't), for most people they won't get any significant speed increase out of Wifi6, unless they have the available RF spectrum (don't live in suburbs or urban areas) and have client devices that support those connections.
Wouldn't buy Wireless AC anything. That came out in 2012, at least by a Wireless AX device.
Try and explain the benefit of wifi6 over wifi5 for the average person to me then? Because, unless you have a lot of Wifi6 devices, you will see no benefit.
Wifi6 does not help significantly with RF congestion (wifi6E will, but that's a whole other update and requires Wifi6E compatible clients too). A Wave 2 Wifi5 device (which was an update well after 2012) can perform quite well and for most people, will provide all the speed they need.
If you won't have a lot of Wifi6/Wifi6E devices for 2-3 years, you may as well wait and just get Wifi7 in about 3-4 years, which will actually be a large leap in speed and significantly improve the quality of connections even for older Wifi5 devices on it's network.
I'm all for buying upgraded stuff and I won't tell people to avoid Wifi6, but unless you have multiple devices that support it or will be adding new devices that do (most IoT devices or streaming units won't), for most people they won't get any significant speed increase out of Wifi6, unless they have the available RF spectrum (don't live in suburbs or urban areas) and have client devices that support those connections.
Good discussion. Can someone provide some advice? I don't need WiFi 6 speeds - just need better range on a 2000 sqft house to reach into the driveway and front porch. My current AC-1900 Asus router does fine for the wifi clients I have inside the house, but signal drops off on the front porch and in the drive way. Looking to solve that problem.
But I hate how most of the mesh wifi system need an app to configure and spy on you. I also use Tomato router, so would like to maintain the level of control - setting up vlans and reserved DHCP using a web browser.
Some day I'd like to transition to OpenSense. So this would need to be able to act as just my wireless AP, but still allow for vlans.
None of the Orbi reviews really go into that much detail outside of your typical use.
Edit: a 2018 review said no vlan for different wireless ssid. But a 2020 review said you can set vlans for different ssid networks. ??
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Calling this a "tri-band" router is VERY misleading. From the Amazon description:
"TRI-BAND BACKHAUL: Dedicated WiFi band between router and satellite frees up the other two bands for maximum speed to your devices. Optional wired Ethernet backhaul for even faster speed."
So it has a third band, but it's only used for communication between the nodes. This is a dual-band router as far as I'm concerned.
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Try and explain the benefit of wifi6 over wifi5 for the average person to me then? Because, unless you have a lot of Wifi6 devices, you will see no benefit.
Wifi6 does not help significantly with RF congestion (wifi6E will, but that's a whole other update and requires Wifi6E compatible clients too). A Wave 2 Wifi5 device (which was an update well after 2012) can perform quite well and for most people, will provide all the speed they need.
If you won't have a lot of Wifi6/Wifi6E devices for 2-3 years, you may as well wait and just get Wifi7 in about 3-4 years, which will actually be a large leap in speed and significantly improve the quality of connections even for older Wifi5 devices on it's network.
I'm all for buying upgraded stuff and I won't tell people to avoid Wifi6, but unless you have multiple devices that support it or will be adding new devices that do (most IoT devices or streaming units won't), for most people they won't get any significant speed increase out of Wifi6, unless they have the available RF spectrum (don't live in suburbs or urban areas) and have client devices that support those connections.
Anyone who has bought a new Cell Phone in the last 2-3 years or a new laptop definitely has at least 1 WIFI 6 device in their house. I just don't think its worth it to buy 10 year old technology when you can buy another brand (such as TP-Link) that supports the newer standard and is the same price.
Anyone who has bought a new Cell Phone in the last 2-3 years or a new laptop definitely has at least 1 WIFI 6 device in their house. I just don't think its worth it to buy 10 year old technology when you can buy another brand (such as TP-Link) that supports the newer standard and is the same price.
I think it depends. If you need vlan support for different ssids, or web-based configuration tool, your choices are limited. If you just want wifi, and don't do anything fancy, maybe go with a tp-link.
Calling this a "tri-band" router is VERY misleading. From the Amazon description:
"TRI-BAND BACKHAUL: Dedicated WiFi band between router and satellite frees up the other two bands for maximum speed to your devices. Optional wired Ethernet backhaul for even faster speed."
So it has a third band, but it's only used for communication between the nodes. This is a dual-band router as far as I'm concerned.
So what is the third band do on a true triband router? I've always heard triband referring to a third dedicated backhaul.
I just thought I'd chime in here with some experience with these. I have setup and configured these for a few businesses. First off, setup is kind of a pain. The satellite doesn't always want to immediately connect and you have to initiate the pairing by pressing a button in the back of it. Not a big deal for most scenarios but when you want to place it far away or on another level, it's a pain to have to troubleshoot pairing issues. Maybe things are better now, but when I tried to setup these by using the Insight app on my phone, it just wouldn't work correctly. I have found that manually configuring and setting up this model via browsing to the gateway IP or by going to orbilogin.com (same thing) via computer is the way to go. Once you get through the potential pains of setting these up and configuring your network, they are pretty rock solid (in my experience). My other gripe with Netgear Orbi, and this is a huge gripe, is that they make you pay for their Insight cloud service for managing things remotely. Many other companies do not make you pay and offer these basics free of charge. I believe you have to pay like $1 per month for some basic features. It doesn't seem like much but it should still be free.
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I just thought I'd chime in here with some experience with these. I have setup and configured these for a few businesses. First off, setup is kind of a pain. The satellite doesn't always want to immediately connect and you have to initiate the pairing by pressing a button in the back of it. Not a big deal for most scenarios but when you want to place it far away or on another level, it's a pain to have to troubleshoot pairing issues. Maybe things are better now, but when I tried to setup these by using the Insight app on my phone, it just wouldn't work correctly. I have found that manually configuring and setting up this model via browsing to the gateway IP or by going to orbilogin.com (same thing) via computer is the way to go. Once you get through the potential pains of setting these up and configuring your network, they are pretty rock solid (in my experience). My other gripe with Netgear Orbi, and this is a huge gripe, is that they make you pay for their Insight cloud service for managing things remotely. Many other companies do not make you pay and offer these basics free of charge. I believe you have to pay like $1 per month for some basic features. It doesn't seem like much but it should still be free.
Netgear makes you pay for a lot of things extra. If you want use their Nergear Armor (their protection suite, its extra (even on their new $1300 Orbi WIFI 6e models). Their technical support is only 90 days unless you pay, also some new Orbi Game booster function they charge for. Literally Netgear is nickle and dimming you for everything.
So what is the third band do on a true triband router? I've always heard triband referring to a third dedicated backhaul.
To me, a tri-band router should have Wifi 6. So, 2.4GHz + 5GHz + 6GHz = Tri-band. There's another way to do it where you split the 5GHz band into two halves, and have 2.4GHz + 5GHz + 5GHz. Maybe not REALLY tri-band, but it's somewhat plausible. If it was up to me we'd call that "2.5 bands". There are also "quad band" routers that do 2.4GHz + 5GHz + 5GHz + 6GHz.
2 bands with a third for a backhaul connection sounds like complete BS to me. The only bands that I care about are the ones that are usable. If I can only use two bands, then it's a dual band router as far as I'm concerned.
To me, a tri-band router should have Wifi 6. So, 2.4GHz + 5GHz + 6GHz = Tri-band. There's another way to do it where you split the 5GHz band into two halves, and have 2.4GHz + 5GHz + 5GHz. Maybe not REALLY tri-band, but it's somewhat plausible. If it was up to me we'd call that "2.5 bands". There are also "quad band" routers that do 2.4GHz + 5GHz + 5GHz + 6GHz.
2 bands with a third for a backhaul connection sounds like complete BS to me. The only bands that I care about are the ones that are usable. If I can only use two bands, then it's a dual band router as far as I'm concerned.
That's reasonable. Going by that nomenclature, how would you name a router that uses shared spectrum as backhaul? Would that be 1.5 band? It seems like triband non-wifi-6 means dedicated backhaul, where as dual band mean non-dedicated backhaul as far as mesh wifi goes. Otherwise, you'd need to introduce the 1.5 band language.
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Wifi6 does not help significantly with RF congestion (wifi6E will, but that's a whole other update and requires Wifi6E compatible clients too). A Wave 2 Wifi5 device (which was an update well after 2012) can perform quite well and for most people, will provide all the speed they need.
If you won't have a lot of Wifi6/Wifi6E devices for 2-3 years, you may as well wait and just get Wifi7 in about 3-4 years, which will actually be a large leap in speed and significantly improve the quality of connections even for older Wifi5 devices on it's network.
I'm all for buying upgraded stuff and I won't tell people to avoid Wifi6, but unless you have multiple devices that support it or will be adding new devices that do (most IoT devices or streaming units won't), for most people they won't get any significant speed increase out of Wifi6, unless they have the available RF spectrum (don't live in suburbs or urban areas) and have client devices that support those connections.
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Wifi6 does not help significantly with RF congestion (wifi6E will, but that's a whole other update and requires Wifi6E compatible clients too). A Wave 2 Wifi5 device (which was an update well after 2012) can perform quite well and for most people, will provide all the speed they need.
If you won't have a lot of Wifi6/Wifi6E devices for 2-3 years, you may as well wait and just get Wifi7 in about 3-4 years, which will actually be a large leap in speed and significantly improve the quality of connections even for older Wifi5 devices on it's network.
I'm all for buying upgraded stuff and I won't tell people to avoid Wifi6, but unless you have multiple devices that support it or will be adding new devices that do (most IoT devices or streaming units won't), for most people they won't get any significant speed increase out of Wifi6, unless they have the available RF spectrum (don't live in suburbs or urban areas) and have client devices that support those connections.
But I hate how most of the mesh wifi system need an app to configure and spy on you. I also use Tomato router, so would like to maintain the level of control - setting up vlans and reserved DHCP using a web browser.
Some day I'd like to transition to OpenSense. So this would need to be able to act as just my wireless AP, but still allow for vlans.
None of the Orbi reviews really go into that much detail outside of your typical use.
Edit: a 2018 review said no vlan for different wireless ssid. But a 2020 review said you can set vlans for different ssid networks. ??
"TRI-BAND BACKHAUL: Dedicated WiFi band between router and satellite frees up the other two bands for maximum speed to your devices. Optional wired Ethernet backhaul for even faster speed."
So it has a third band, but it's only used for communication between the nodes. This is a dual-band router as far as I'm concerned.
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Wifi6 does not help significantly with RF congestion (wifi6E will, but that's a whole other update and requires Wifi6E compatible clients too). A Wave 2 Wifi5 device (which was an update well after 2012) can perform quite well and for most people, will provide all the speed they need.
If you won't have a lot of Wifi6/Wifi6E devices for 2-3 years, you may as well wait and just get Wifi7 in about 3-4 years, which will actually be a large leap in speed and significantly improve the quality of connections even for older Wifi5 devices on it's network.
I'm all for buying upgraded stuff and I won't tell people to avoid Wifi6, but unless you have multiple devices that support it or will be adding new devices that do (most IoT devices or streaming units won't), for most people they won't get any significant speed increase out of Wifi6, unless they have the available RF spectrum (don't live in suburbs or urban areas) and have client devices that support those connections.
Anyone who has bought a new Cell Phone in the last 2-3 years or a new laptop definitely has at least 1 WIFI 6 device in their house. I just don't think its worth it to buy 10 year old technology when you can buy another brand (such as TP-Link) that supports the newer standard and is the same price.
"TRI-BAND BACKHAUL: Dedicated WiFi band between router and satellite frees up the other two bands for maximum speed to your devices. Optional wired Ethernet backhaul for even faster speed."
So it has a third band, but it's only used for communication between the nodes. This is a dual-band router as far as I'm concerned.
2 bands with a third for a backhaul connection sounds like complete BS to me. The only bands that I care about are the ones that are usable. If I can only use two bands, then it's a dual band router as far as I'm concerned.
2 bands with a third for a backhaul connection sounds like complete BS to me. The only bands that I care about are the ones that are usable. If I can only use two bands, then it's a dual band router as far as I'm concerned.
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