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- 1TB PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
- 16GB (2x 8GB) DDR4 3200MHz
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 8GB Graphics
- RGB Backlit Keyboard
- 802.11ax (2x2) + Bluetooth 5.1
- Windows 11 Home (64-Bit)
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- 1x HDMI 2.1
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- 4-Cell 60WHr Battery
- Weight: ~5.3 lbs
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They each have tradeoffs. Which facets are more important varies from person to person.
I typically use headphones and occasional external usb speakers. I throw the whole kit with the brick and a few other peripherals into a rugged laptop backpack - so the speakers and brick and how extra slim the laptop is don't really affect me. They can run on usb-c power supplies for some usage scenarios too. To me all integrated speakers are pretty bad relatively, just like integrated monitor or tv speakers. The zeph has a good speaker layout (for a laptop) though so that's one in the pro column if that facet is that important to you vs other tradeoffs in turn. Some people consider trackpads important but I never use those either really. I also always plug in gaming laptops/DTRs so the battery life doesn't matter so much to me either.
My three choices in this class were mainly the zephyrus, alienware m5, and the legion 5 pro. To me the legion 5 pro ticked all the boxes important to me better overall, as outlined in that quote, and at a fair price point so I threw it into this thread as a comparison as others were comparing the asus to the alienware in the thread already.
They all seem like decent machines spec wise as long as you don't run into heat issues, throttling, or bugs (perhaps that pop up due to the heat issues). This seemed like more of a concern in the other two slimmer, lest robust build models from what I've read.
Some tradeoffs spec wise below
=========================================
ram upgradeable? :
-------------------------------
zeph = partially soldered ram 1 dimm soldered, 1 available
alienware =2 dimms, upgradable
legion = 2 dimms, upgradable
gpu watts (3070 model):
--------------------------
zeph = 80w - 100w boost
alienware m5 = 125w max
legion 5 pro = 140w
rez and desktop real-estate:
--------------------------------
zeph= 1440p
alienware = 1440p
legion 5 pro = 1600p (Legion 5 = 1080p)
screen size:
---------------
zeph = 15.6 in. diagonal
alienware = 15.6 in diagonal
legion 5 pro= 16" diagonal (legion 1080p = 15.6" )
Peak fps + Hz potential using VRR/freesync/g-sync (if your particular game's demands/settings allow your fps to go that high):
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
zeph = 165 fpsHz
alienware = 240fpsHz
legion = 165fpsHz
color peak(RGB vs. dci-p3):
------------------------------
zeph = 99.5% sRGB, 86.7% AdobeRGB, 96.5% DCI-P3
alienware = 141% sRGB, 100% DCI-P3, 97% AdobeRGB
legion = ~ 103% sRGB, 73% DCI-P3, 71% AdobeRGB
The legion is arguably a better looking panel overall though with it's ~ 500 nit peak, 1259:1 contrast and accompanying black depth relationship per brightness level. Also appreciable gain at 1600p instead of 1440 desktop and app real-estate wise - but people's preferences and usage scenarios vary.
contrast ratio :
------------------
zeph: 1040:1 contrast (at max brightness)
alienware: 902:1 contrast (at max brightness)
legion: ~ 1259:1 (at max brightness)
brightness (max):
---------------------
zeph = 300 (-> 334 in some reviews) nit
alienware = 375 nit
legion = ~ 491 nit
response time:
----------------
zeph = 3ms
alienware = 3ms
legion = ~ 3ms
build quality incl. cooling solution/thermals:
--------------------------------------------------
zeph = magnesium alloy main case, aluminum lid, plastic bezel around screen. Squeaks and creaks when resting hand down on the rest and when picked up from corners. Thin height, little airflow intake footprint on bottom , runs pretty hot
alienware = magnesium alloy construction but build quality could be better. Reported as weakness in cooling solution combined with ryzen cpu. hot on boost results in cpu freq hitting thermal limits going as high as 103C. Build quality = entirely magnesium alloy but "creaky" casing/bezel/hinges.
legion = primarily aluminum, palm rest plastic, vents durable plastic overmolded onto the aluminum bottom plate which is firmly clipped to the chassis and secured by screws. Solid deign with no creaking or flex. Bulkier and heavier with better cooling, not as sandwiched thin, has large heatsinks, heat pipes, large fans which also helps with the higher gpu wattage peak.
Noise (without active cooling trays):
zeph= turbo mode -> 48 - 49 dB. Manual mode -> 52dB+ to 55+ dB (when trying to cool more for more performance)
alienware = incr to 53dB b/c CPU always hits 100C with boost on/gaming. Max fans = 65 dB
legion = 57dB gaming (untweaked)
keyboard quality:
---------------------
zeph = not full size lacking numpad (trade-off for front firing speakers). Comfortable keys, good travel. Some find the lit status key's reflection on the bezel from beneath it a mild annoyance.
alienware = if cherry mx mech version, excellent++ (has some noise though). No backlight on secondary functions of keys for some reason.
legion = very quiet, good curvature to the keys, a slight flex/mush on strong keystrokes as it doesn't take a lot of force to depress and activate the keys.
"It has full 1.5mm key travel. It uses a soft-landing switch with a larger aperture in the baseplate, so there's a greater area of shock absorption. It adds up to something Lenovo says is more comfortable than a regular rubber dome keyboard, and it offers faster input, which is what's important when gaming."
edit: since I've got my legion 5 pro I haven't noticed overt flex in the keyboard but it doesn't require much force in the first place. It has a slight click and actuation to the keys almost like a mechanical keyboard. It seems like a nice upgrade keyboard-wise compared to my former ASUS ZenBook Pro UX501VW (15.6-Inch 4K Touchscreen Laptop (Core i7-6700HQ CPU, 16 GB DDR4, 512 GB NVMe SSD, GTX960M GPU, Thunderbolt III, Windows 10). There was a slight learning curve for the backspace/numlock area as the keyboard is a hair to the left due to the num pad but once I got used to that it is great.
numpad:
-------------
zeph = none
alienware = none
legion = yes, full size
trackpad:
--------------
zeph = "very responsive", large, a little loud
alienware= very small, glass, tracks well, clickable. some reviews claim their model has a loose one that too easy to accidentally tap/click accidentally
Legion 5 = large trackpad left of center, accidental left palm tracking unless you fix the range with a registry tweak (or turning off track pad while gaming). Personally this happens to me with all trackpads and I always turn them off, using a mouse instead.
Keyboard lighting:
zeph: rgb
alienware: rgb, no backlight on secondary functions of keys
legion: 4 zone rgb. slightly older style key backlight
webcam/windows "hello" etc.:
--------------------------------
zeph = no webcam
alienware = HD webcam top of screen, windows "hello" enabled.
legion = HD Webcam with shut-off/shutter hardware slider button on side of chassis, no biometrics built in
fingerprint and card readers:
---------------------------------------------
zeph = has fingerprint reader, has microSD card reader
alienware = no fingerprint reader, no card reader
legion - no fingerprint reader, no card reader
I/O selection/inclusion and placement:
------------------------------------------------
zeph = left side -> power in, 1x HDMI 2.0b, 1x RJ45ethernet, 1x USB Type-A 3.2 Gen 2, 2 x USB Type-C 3.2 Gen 2 (with DisplayPort 1.4, Power Delivery 3.0), 1x 3.5mm combo jack. right side -> 1x USB Type-A 3.2 Gen 2, 1 x MicroSD, 1 x Kensington lock. rear side -> none
alienware = left side -> headphone/mic jack, ethernet port.. right side -> two usb-a ports, rear side -> power, hdmi usbA, single usb-C.
legion = left side -> 1x usb-C, 1x 3.5mm audio (mic/headset), right side -> 1x usb-A, camera on/off slider switch, rear side -> 3x USB-A 3.2 gen2, 1x USB-C 3.2, HDMI 2.1b, ethernet, power
HDMI 2.1:
-------------
zeph = 2.0b , no 2.1 so not enough bandwidth for 4k 444 chroma 120hz+ and no HDMI 2.1 VRR capability on ext monitors/tvs
alienware = hdmi 2.1
legion = hdmi 2.1
usb-A and usb-c ports:
------------------------
zeph = 2 x usb-A, 2 x usb-C *some reports on reddit that the usb-c on the zephyrus can't drive the oculus quest. not sure if this has been resolved
alienware = 3 x usb-A, 1 x usb-C
legion = 4 x usb-A, 2 x usb-C
Chargable (at lower rate) and usable with usb-c Power?:
--------------------------=================---------------
zeph = yes (~100w)
alienware = yes
legion = yes (~100w)
speaker quality:
-------------------
zeph = six atmos speakers incl a pair of woofers in palm rests, top firing tweeters. Def a focus here.
alienware = "ok" speakers", no 4 way like r4 and not 4w. 2 watt speakers each ~ 72db amp and bass 140Hz.
legion = stereo speakers, underwhelming. Recommend headphones, buds and/or usb speakers in your kit.
weight:
-----------
zeph = 4.19 - 4.45 lb , 1.38 lb power brick and cables
alienware = 5.42 lb , 1.72 lb power brick
legion = 5.6 lb, 1.7 lb power brick
CPU and GPU performance/power, temps, throttling,:
-----------------------------------------------------
zephyrus = ryzen 9 5900HS octa core 4.6 GHz boost . Runs hot due to thermals/overall design
https://www.ultrabookre
Quote :
"the CPU averages temperatures in the 82-90 C in the games that support Dynamic Boost, with the GPU running at 78-81 C, on the Turbo profile. However, the peak CPU temperatures are very high on all titles, at around 95 C and above."
"With Far Cry 5, where the system supplies more power to the CPU, this averages a whopping 96.9 C on Turbo, with the GPU running at 79C. So the CPU seems to be the culprit, at least on this sample that we have here."
.. you can tinker with the hassle of tweaking things in manual mode on a per games though as outlined in that link if you want to go through the trouble.
Quote :
"Since AMD Master doesn't support the Ryzen Mobile platform, disabling the CPU's Boost (as explained here) is pretty much the only way to further tackle the problem. Without Boost, the CPU only clocks up at 3.3 GHz, and here's the performance impact in the game we've tested"
<continues to game benchmarks on that reivew link>
alienware = ryzen 7 5800H octa core 4.4 GHz boost *Reported as weakness in cooling solution combined with ryzen cpu. hot on boost results in cpu freq hitting thermal limits going as high as 103C.
https://www.ultrabookre
Quote :
"In gaming, the weakness of this cooling solution becomes very apparent. That and the combination that this Ryzen CPU gets extremely hot while on Boost. For almost all of my gaming tests, the CPU frequently hits the thermal limits, hitting temperatures as high as 103C!
My main game to test was Horizon Zero Dawn, which freely uses both the CPU and GPU to a large extent without Dynamic boost taking over. The result with CPU boost enabled was average CPU temperatures of 100C and average GPU temps at 80C.
You'd think full fans would help, but it didn't. Even at full blast, average CPU temps only dropped by a few tenths of a degree, while GPU temps fell to an average of 78C."
It goes on to show ways to turn of boost and tinker with things but also says:
Quote :
"I had this problem with the Asus G15, but I thought for sure that this laptop would have enough cooling to keep temps under control. It is thicker after all. But to my surprise, these temps are way worse."
legion 5p = ryzen 7 5800H octa core 4.4 GHz boost
https://www.ultrabookre
Quote :
"As you can see from all three performance modes, the CPU stays at some pretty good temperatures. Having temps average at 84C in performance mode isn't bad at all. And it gets even better in balanced or quiet mode. GPU temps are also well under control."
Their chart shows the Legion 5 pro's cpu running horizon at *MAX* 94.7C core, 96.1C Tctl/Tdie, 68.4C SOC in performance mode, untweaked. The *average* was 77.3C core, 80C Tctl/Tdie, 63.5C SOC. Still a little high on the peak but not pushing the 97 AVERAGE on the zephyrus, or the 100 or higher average on the alienware (and theoretically higher than 100 peaks/MAX if they weren't throttling). So the legion's CPU is around 80C average instead of averaging 97 - 100/throttled at least with all of them with boost cpu Hz enabled and in performance mode. The GPU on the legion 5 pro remained 72.7C to 78.2C.
Quote :
"If you want better, you can't control the fans manually, which is unfortunate. But I did have some success using Ryzen Controller, which is a 3rd party software that is used to manually control the TDP or temperature limits of the CPU. I was able to use the software to throttle under specific temperature limits and TDP limits.
If I were to use this regularly, I would probably choose a TDP of 25C. This seemed to have minimal impact of most games, and yet limited the fan noise closer to 50dB, while in Performance mode. It also allowed the TGP to hover close to 140W for longer periods of time, offering better GPU performance."
-- I think there could potentially be some slight temp reduction and/or fan noise reduction when using a good active(powered fan(s)) cooling tray. The thermal/airflow design on the bottom of each laptop model might come into play there as to how effective this might be though.
https://www.techradar.c
Quote :
"When it comes to gaming performance, the Lenovo Legion 5 Pro is about as good as you're going to find in an RTX 3070 gaming laptop. Even without any hardware performance optimization courtesy of Lenovo Vantage , the Legion 5 Pro outperforms the Asus Zephyrus in terms of pure gaming performance - both in graphics benchmarks and actual gaming experience."
"Where the Legion 5 Pro does come up short against the Zephyrus G15 we reviewed is its CPU performance. That isn't much of a surprise, considering the Zephyrus G15 is rocking an AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS and the Legion 5 Pro runs an AMD Ryzen 7 5800U. Still, even though the Legion 5 Pro comes up short in these tests, it doesn't fall far short of the Zephyrus G15.
In the end, though, this is a gaming laptop, and so on those terms the Legion 5 Pro is a better gaming machine, even if the difference isn't one that you're really likely to notice unless you are rigorously scrutinizing the two, side by side. "
i.e. ~ 5 to 10+ fps faster consistently regardless of settings on some demanding games
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- If you ask to return the machine, they will throw some $ at you to keep it. Did it with a pair of machines. No issues at all.
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The big problem with the zephrus and the alienware is their slimmer, lest robust chasis is bad thermals *AVERAGING* 97 or 100C in demanding games and hitting thermal limit/throttling, at least with cpu boost clocks on. The legion manages to keep the averages low enough beneath peak in performance mode because it's not pushing an extreme slim spec/design and it has a more robust cooling solution, heatpipes, etc.
Personally I use a heavy duty dell style impact resistant laptop backpack so transporting a brick along with headphones, usb stereo laptop speakers, gaming mouse, gamepad, active cooling tray, mouse pad etc. isn't a big deal to me. They can also run off of usb-c 100w for lighter usage scenarios at times.
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They each have tradeoffs. Which facets are more important varies from person to person.
I typically use headphones and occasional external usb speakers. I throw the whole kit with the brick and a few other peripherals into a rugged laptop backpack - so the speakers and brick and how extra slim the laptop is don't really affect me. They can run on usb-c power supplies for some usage scenarios too. To me all integrated speakers are pretty bad relatively, just like integrated monitor or tv speakers. The zeph has a good speaker layout (for a laptop) though so that's one in the pro column if that facet is that important to you vs other tradeoffs in turn. Some people consider trackpads important but I never use those either really. I also always plug in gaming laptops/DTRs so the battery life doesn't matter so much to me either.
My three choices in this class were mainly the zephyrus, alienware m5, and the legion 5 pro. To me the legion 5 pro ticked all the boxes important to me better overall, as outlined in that quote, and at a fair price point so I threw it into this thread as a comparison as others were comparing the asus to the alienware in the thread already.
They all seem like decent machines spec wise as long as you don't run into heat issues, throttling, or bugs (perhaps that pop up due to the heat issues). This seemed like more of a concern in the other two slimmer, lest robust build models from what I've read.
Some tradeoffs spec wise below
=========================================
ram upgradeable? :
-------------------------------
zeph = partially soldered ram 1 dimm soldered, 1 available
alienware =2 dimms, upgradable
legion = 2 dimms, upgradable
gpu watts (3070 model):
--------------------------
zeph = 80w - 100w boost
alienware m5 = 125w max
legion 5 pro = 140w
rez and desktop real-estate:
--------------------------------
zeph= 1440p
alienware = 1440p
legion 5 pro = 1600p (Legion 5 = 1080p)
screen size:
---------------
zeph = 15.6 in. diagonal
alienware = 15.6 in diagonal
legion 5 pro= 16" diagonal (legion 1080p = 15.6" )
Peak fps + Hz potential using VRR/freesync/g-sync (if your particular game's demands/settings allow your fps to go that high):
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
zeph = 165 fpsHz
alienware = 240fpsHz
legion = 165fpsHz
color peak(RGB vs. dci-p3):
------------------------------
zeph = 99.5% sRGB, 86.7% AdobeRGB, 96.5% DCI-P3
alienware = 141% sRGB, 100% DCI-P3, 97% AdobeRGB
legion = ~ 103% sRGB, 73% DCI-P3, 71% AdobeRGB
The legion is arguably a better looking panel overall though with it's ~ 500 nit peak, 1259:1 contrast and accompanying black depth relationship per brightness level. Also appreciable gain at 1600p instead of 1440 desktop and app real-estate wise - but people's preferences and usage scenarios vary.
contrast ratio :
------------------
zeph: 1040:1 contrast (at max brightness)
alienware: 902:1 contrast (at max brightness)
legion: ~ 1259:1 (at max brightness)
brightness (max):
---------------------
zeph = 300 (-> 334 in some reviews) nit
alienware = 375 nit
legion = ~ 491 nit
response time:
----------------
zeph = 3ms
alienware = 3ms
legion = ~ 3ms
build quality incl. cooling solution/thermals:
--------------------------------------------------
zeph = magnesium alloy main case, aluminum lid, plastic bezel around screen. Squeaks and creaks when resting hand down on the rest and when picked up from corners. Thin height, little airflow intake footprint on bottom , runs pretty hot
alienware = magnesium alloy construction but build quality could be better. Reported as weakness in cooling solution combined with ryzen cpu. hot on boost results in cpu freq hitting thermal limits going as high as 103C. Build quality = entirely magnesium alloy but "creaky" casing/bezel/hinges.
legion = primarily aluminum, palm rest plastic, vents durable plastic overmolded onto the aluminum bottom plate which is firmly clipped to the chassis and secured by screws. Solid deign with no creaking or flex. Bulkier and heavier with better cooling, not as sandwiched thin, has large heatsinks, heat pipes, large fans which also helps with the higher gpu wattage peak.
Noise (without active cooling trays):
zeph= turbo mode -> 48 - 49 dB. Manual mode -> 52dB+ to 55+ dB (when trying to cool more for more performance)
alienware = incr to 53dB b/c CPU always hits 100C with boost on/gaming. Max fans = 65 dB
legion = 57dB gaming (untweaked)
keyboard quality:
---------------------
zeph = not full size lacking numpad (trade-off for front firing speakers). Comfortable keys, good travel. Some find the lit status key's reflection on the bezel from beneath it a mild annoyance.
alienware = if cherry mx mech version, excellent++ (has some noise though). No backlight on secondary functions of keys for some reason.
legion = very quiet, good curvature to the keys, a slight flex/mush on strong keystrokes as it doesn't take a lot of force to depress and activate the keys.
"It has full 1.5mm key travel. It uses a soft-landing switch with a larger aperture in the baseplate, so there's a greater area of shock absorption. It adds up to something Lenovo says is more comfortable than a regular rubber dome keyboard, and it offers faster input, which is what's important when gaming."
edit: since I've got my legion 5 pro I haven't noticed overt flex in the keyboard but it doesn't require much force in the first place. It has a slight click and actuation to the keys almost like a mechanical keyboard. It seems like a nice upgrade keyboard-wise compared to my former ASUS ZenBook Pro UX501VW (15.6-Inch 4K Touchscreen Laptop (Core i7-6700HQ CPU, 16 GB DDR4, 512 GB NVMe SSD, GTX960M GPU, Thunderbolt III, Windows 10). There was a slight learning curve for the backspace/numlock area as the keyboard is a hair to the left due to the num pad but once I got used to that it is great.
numpad:
-------------
zeph = none
alienware = none
legion = yes, full size
trackpad:
--------------
zeph = "very responsive", large, a little loud
alienware= very small, glass, tracks well, clickable. some reviews claim their model has a loose one that too easy to accidentally tap/click accidentally
Legion 5 = large trackpad left of center, accidental left palm tracking unless you fix the range with a registry tweak (or turning off track pad while gaming). Personally this happens to me with all trackpads and I always turn them off, using a mouse instead.
Keyboard lighting:
zeph: rgb
alienware: rgb, no backlight on secondary functions of keys
legion: 4 zone rgb. slightly older style key backlight
webcam/windows "hello" etc.:
--------------------------------
zeph = no webcam
alienware = HD webcam top of screen, windows "hello" enabled.
legion = HD Webcam with shut-off/shutter hardware slider button on side of chassis, no biometrics built in
fingerprint and card readers:
---------------------------------------------
zeph = has fingerprint reader, has microSD card reader
alienware = no fingerprint reader, no card reader
legion - no fingerprint reader, no card reader
I/O selection/inclusion and placement:
------------------------------------------------
zeph = left side -> power in, 1x HDMI 2.0b, 1x RJ45ethernet, 1x USB Type-A 3.2 Gen 2, 2 x USB Type-C 3.2 Gen 2 (with DisplayPort 1.4, Power Delivery 3.0), 1x 3.5mm combo jack. right side -> 1x USB Type-A 3.2 Gen 2, 1 x MicroSD, 1 x Kensington lock. rear side -> none
alienware = left side -> headphone/mic jack, ethernet port.. right side -> two usb-a ports, rear side -> power, hdmi usbA, single usb-C.
legion = left side -> 1x usb-C, 1x 3.5mm audio (mic/headset), right side -> 1x usb-A, camera on/off slider switch, rear side -> 3x USB-A 3.2 gen2, 1x USB-C 3.2, HDMI 2.1b, ethernet, power
HDMI 2.1:
-------------
zeph = 2.0b , no 2.1 so not enough bandwidth for 4k 444 chroma 120hz+ and no HDMI 2.1 VRR capability on ext monitors/tvs
alienware = hdmi 2.1
legion = hdmi 2.1
usb-A and usb-c ports:
------------------------
zeph = 2 x usb-A, 2 x usb-C *some reports on reddit that the usb-c on the zephyrus can't drive the oculus quest. not sure if this has been resolved
alienware = 3 x usb-A, 1 x usb-C
legion = 4 x usb-A, 2 x usb-C
Chargable (at lower rate) and usable with usb-c Power?:
--------------------------=================---------------
zeph = yes (~100w)
alienware = yes
legion = yes (~100w)
speaker quality:
-------------------
zeph = six atmos speakers incl a pair of woofers in palm rests, top firing tweeters. Def a focus here.
alienware = "ok" speakers", no 4 way like r4 and not 4w. 2 watt speakers each ~ 72db amp and bass 140Hz.
legion = stereo speakers, underwhelming. Recommend headphones, buds and/or usb speakers in your kit.
weight:
-----------
zeph = 4.19 - 4.45 lb , 1.38 lb power brick and cables
alienware = 5.42 lb , 1.72 lb power brick
legion = 5.6 lb, 1.7 lb power brick
CPU and GPU performance/power, temps, throttling,:
-----------------------------------------------------
zephyrus = ryzen 9 5900HS octa core 4.6 GHz boost . Runs hot due to thermals/overall design
https://www.ultrabookre
Quote :
"the CPU averages temperatures in the 82-90 C in the games that support Dynamic Boost, with the GPU running at 78-81 C, on the Turbo profile. However, the peak CPU temperatures are very high on all titles, at around 95 C and above."
"With Far Cry 5, where the system supplies more power to the CPU, this averages a whopping 96.9 C on Turbo, with the GPU running at 79C. So the CPU seems to be the culprit, at least on this sample that we have here."
.. you can tinker with the hassle of tweaking things in manual mode on a per games though as outlined in that link if you want to go through the trouble.
Quote :
"Since AMD Master doesn't support the Ryzen Mobile platform, disabling the CPU's Boost (as explained here) is pretty much the only way to further tackle the problem. Without Boost, the CPU only clocks up at 3.3 GHz, and here's the performance impact in the game we've tested"
<continues to game benchmarks on that reivew link>
alienware = ryzen 7 5800H octa core 4.4 GHz boost *Reported as weakness in cooling solution combined with ryzen cpu. hot on boost results in cpu freq hitting thermal limits going as high as 103C.
https://www.ultrabookre
Quote :
"In gaming, the weakness of this cooling solution becomes very apparent. That and the combination that this Ryzen CPU gets extremely hot while on Boost. For almost all of my gaming tests, the CPU frequently hits the thermal limits, hitting temperatures as high as 103C!
My main game to test was Horizon Zero Dawn, which freely uses both the CPU and GPU to a large extent without Dynamic boost taking over. The result with CPU boost enabled was average CPU temperatures of 100C and average GPU temps at 80C.
You'd think full fans would help, but it didn't. Even at full blast, average CPU temps only dropped by a few tenths of a degree, while GPU temps fell to an average of 78C."
It goes on to show ways to turn of boost and tinker with things but also says:
Quote :
"I had this problem with the Asus G15, but I thought for sure that this laptop would have enough cooling to keep temps under control. It is thicker after all. But to my surprise, these temps are way worse."
legion 5p = ryzen 7 5800H octa core 4.4 GHz boost
https://www.ultrabookre
Quote :
"As you can see from all three performance modes, the CPU stays at some pretty good temperatures. Having temps average at 84C in performance mode isn't bad at all. And it gets even better in balanced or quiet mode. GPU temps are also well under control."
Their chart shows the Legion 5 pro's cpu running horizon at *MAX* 94.7C core, 96.1C Tctl/Tdie, 68.4C SOC in performance mode, untweaked. The *average* was 77.3C core, 80C Tctl/Tdie, 63.5C SOC. Still a little high on the peak but not pushing the 97 AVERAGE on the zephyrus, or the 100 or higher average on the alienware (and theoretically higher than 100 peaks/MAX if they weren't throttling). So the legion's CPU is around 80C average instead of averaging 97 - 100/throttled at least with all of them with boost cpu Hz enabled and in performance mode. The GPU on the legion 5 pro remained 72.7C to 78.2C.
Quote :
"If you want better, you can't control the fans manually, which is unfortunate. But I did have some success using Ryzen Controller, which is a 3rd party software that is used to manually control the TDP or temperature limits of the CPU. I was able to use the software to throttle under specific temperature limits and TDP limits.
If I were to use this regularly, I would probably choose a TDP of 25C. This seemed to have minimal impact of most games, and yet limited the fan noise closer to 50dB, while in Performance mode. It also allowed the TGP to hover close to 140W for longer periods of time, offering better GPU performance."
-- I think there could potentially be some slight temp reduction and/or fan noise reduction when using a good active(powered fan(s)) cooling tray. The thermal/airflow design on the bottom of each laptop model might come into play there as to how effective this might be though.
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"When it comes to gaming performance, the Lenovo Legion 5 Pro is about as good as you're going to find in an RTX 3070 gaming laptop. Even without any hardware performance optimization courtesy of Lenovo Vantage , the Legion 5 Pro outperforms the Asus Zephyrus in terms of pure gaming performance - both in graphics benchmarks and actual gaming experience."
"Where the Legion 5 Pro does come up short against the Zephyrus G15 we reviewed is its CPU performance. That isn't much of a surprise, considering the Zephyrus G15 is rocking an AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS and the Legion 5 Pro runs an AMD Ryzen 7 5800U. Still, even though the Legion 5 Pro comes up short in these tests, it doesn't fall far short of the Zephyrus G15.
In the end, though, this is a gaming laptop, and so on those terms the Legion 5 Pro is a better gaming machine, even if the difference isn't one that you're really likely to notice unless you are rigorously scrutinizing the two, side by side. "
i.e. ~ 5 to 10+ fps faster consistently regardless of settings on some demanding games
Some tips aside from that:
- Youll probably get a handful of myrewards $ too. If you make a new acct, set your birthday to this month, and you may potentially get double the points (hence, double the $). It happened with a friend.
- There was a new customer code for $100 off when you sign up for email offers (prior to ordering). Should still be active
- If you ask to return the machine, they will throw some $ at you to keep it. Did it with a pair of machines. No issues at all.
- If you *do* return it, prepare to wait a while for the refund. Like over a month after receipt
Ryzen 6000 series came out last month and the Legions will be amongst the first to get them. Massive integrated GPU improvements (RDNA2 vs Vega 8).
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Some tips aside from that:
- Youll probably get a handful of myrewards $ too. If you make a new acct, set your birthday to this month, and you may potentially get double the points (hence, double the $). It happened with a friend.
- There was a new customer code for $100 off when you sign up for email offers (prior to ordering). Should still be active
- If you ask to return the machine, they will throw some $ at you to keep it. Did it with a pair of machines. No issues at all.
- If you *do* return it, prepare to wait a while for the refund. Like over a month after receipt
Ryzen 6000 series came out last month and the Legions will be amongst the first to get them. Massive integrated GPU improvements (RDNA2 vs Vega 8).
The Legion 7 is usually at least $200 more expensive even after the most discount.
The Legion 7 is usually at least $200 more expensive even after the most discount.
- a price mistake, obvi, lol
- Using ID.me
- combining coupon codes which technically shouldnt work (which basically combined cashback from two websites, one via the coupon code itself, the other through a referral lie Rack)
When you combined cashback, myrewards, a CC with 5% off, the new customer code, and the return concession discount, you could get the Legion 5 Pro to go from $1800 to $1200 lol.
I have benefitted massively from Lenovo technical glitches. I dont think Ill ever buy laptops from anywhere else
- a price mistake, obvi, lol
- Using ID.me
- combining coupon codes which technically shouldnt work (which basically combined cashback from two websites, one via the coupon code itself, the other through a referral lie Rack)
When you combined cashback, myrewards, a CC with 5% off, the new customer code, and the return concession discount, you could get the Legion 5 Pro to go from $1800 to $1200 lol.
I have benefitted massively from Lenovo technical glitches. I dont think Ill ever buy laptops from anywhere else
Some tips aside from that:
- Youll probably get a handful of myrewards $ too. If you make a new acct, set your birthday to this month, and you may potentially get double the points (hence, double the $). It happened with a friend.
- There was a new customer code for $100 off when you sign up for email offers (prior to ordering). Should still be active
- If you ask to return the machine, they will throw some $ at you to keep it. Did it with a pair of machines. No issues at all.
- If you *do* return it, prepare to wait a while for the refund. Like over a month after receipt
Ryzen 6000 series came out last month and the Legions will be amongst the first to get them. Massive integrated GPU improvements (RDNA2 vs Vega 8).
The Legion 7 is usually at least $200 more expensive even after the most discount.[/QUOTE]
I had a short window deal from wallmart for my legion 5 pro (1600p, 3070 gpu) for $1399 just a week ago.
You'll get higher fps with a 1080p screen at native resolutions but I like the 2560x1600 resolution for desktop/app real-estate outside of games. You could hook up to ext monitors also so depends on your usage scenario.
You can also get an additional 5% off by registering at id. me if you're eligible for it.
The main reason I went with the pro was that I wanted the 16:10 screen for the extra real estate, but even jarrod recommends the Legion 5, even over the pro unless you explicitly want that.
No harm in getting this deal and then returning it (actually returning it, lol) if a better one comes. I ended up returning the one from BF (Micron GDDR memory) and sold the one from Veterans day (the crazy deal with 2 SSDs in it) to a friend at-cost. I kept the cheapest one (the basic Legion 5-17 from the July glitch).
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