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BlueCorn773

Mar 11, 2022 03:36 PM

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BlueCorn773Mar 11, 2022 03:36 PM

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Make sure to check your local drone laws.

Thank you…..I will make sure my toy doesn't interfere with state or local laws.

Last edited by BlueCorn773 March 11, 2022 at 08:45 AM.

Bargankiller

Mar 11, 2022 05:18 PM

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BargankillerMar 11, 2022 05:18 PM

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except key parts of it is incorrect. if you are in america and you believe the weight of the drone has anything to do with anything (except one item: recreational flyer drone registration) then no wonder you believe his post is the "best." you refer to "drone licensing" so already i can see the details don't matter to you and that's probably why you believe in the "primer." im not saying i know everything, but here's what i do know:

anyone who wants to legally fly this drone in america must affix a registration number to the drone. if this is your first drone, you need to register online for $5 and obtain that number. if this is not your first drone and you have registered in the past as a recreational pilot (flying for fun), all you need to do is take that same registration number (on one of your previous drones) and affix it to this drone. unlike all the cars in your garage, all the drones can have the same "license plate number." if you are a commercial pilot, you already know the [different] rules.

take the test. it's called TRUST. it's free and it's easy. keep a copy of it with you.

that's not true. if you fly your drone for fun and you're not promoting a business (i.e. commercial work) then you are free to do whatever you want with your own video and that includes posting it on youtube to share with your friends or family or looking at it under your bed in the dark. it's a myth that people keep saying otherwise or even "quoting" the faa as saying otherwise. it just isn't true until someone posts the faa law that says otherwise. there is absolutely nothing mentioned about where the videos end up. the rules relate to your intention when your drone lifted off from the ground: FUN...or not.

no that's not a "problem." nobody has done any serious property damage or hurt anyone from flying a drone. worldwide for the past decade, there has probably been 2 or 3 deaths, about 50 injuries and $2,000 worth of damage out of millions of drone flights. /s don't believe the hype, drone misuse and inept drone pilots are not harming the planet. unlike motorists who think they know how to drive, been given government licenses, heavily regulated and policed on the road, and then end up killing hundreds of thousands of people every year, billions of dollars of propery damage and ruining lives all over the world from alaska to australia from china to chile. but cars in the hands of drivers aren't the problem, those drones are, huh? stop posting anything about drone doing serious damage property and hurting people....they won't and they don't because they can't.

i live in a big city and i enjoy flying daily all over the city regardless of so-called "flight restrictions." i live 4 miles from an airport and i have no problem getting authorization to fly to a certain height during the daytime. i obey the laws and am enjoying flying just fine, i think it's a myth to claim a drone is useless inside city limits. sure you can't fly anywhere you want anytime you want but the restrictions and limitations don't take all the fun out of it. however, it will if you believe the talk. absolutely there are certain locations that are a nightmare, kinda like "don't buy a car because driving in downtown nyc is a total disaster"....same thing. very few local laws and bans, i don't think you have to worry about checking that much. when i drive my car over a few states to another city, i don't bother to check the local driving laws. i understand there are some minor instances and exceptions but nothing anyone should have to research before they buy a drone.

here we go ahead, scaring drone buyer with "remote id" and that you'll be "tracked." imagine if you buy a dslr to take photos at the kids football game and you were told the government is going to track everywhere you take pictures and review all your footage?...well, at least you said you were not a fan. neither am i. Smilie

"If you have any intention at all of monetizing your YouTube videos, now or in the future, OR if your drone videos will enhance or promote your business in any way, you must have a Part 107 Remote Pilot license before filming those videos."
From Droneblog
https://www.droneblog.com/do-i-ne...n-youtube/

FAA is very murky on the definition. It seems that any monetary gains/value intentional or not are a violation of FAA rules.

"Goodwill or other non-monetary value can also be considered indirect compensation."
From FAA

https://www.faa.gov/uas/recreational_fliers/

edit

Youtuber fined over $100k for breaking FAA rules.
https://dronexl.co/2020/11/26/faa...one-pilot/

Last edited by Bargankiller March 11, 2022 at 10:30 AM.

rkankath

Mar 11, 2022 09:06 PM

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rkankathMar 11, 2022 09:06 PM

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Quote from RugerRedhawk

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I almost bought this a few days ago for this price on newegg. Ended up going with a refurbished min 2 for $350 (also get a $20 newegg credit). Added two batteries for another $62.

For me this will be my first drone, I talked myself out of dropping too much on a hobby I'm not sure how much time I'll invest in. All that said if you're thinking about a drone in this price range, this price is super hard to beat especially considering the extras included and the fact that it's brand new.

Link plz ?

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kensteele

Mar 11, 2022 11:09 PM

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kensteeleMar 11, 2022 11:09 PM

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Quote from twostepopper

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Are you good?

Everything I said was accurate and seems to be helpful based on likes/replies.

To clarify on YouTube.. anyone who is making money with ads, sponsors or promotions that generate any income require a part 107.

On the remote ID you don't seem to understand it. It would be fully public knowledge. Anyone would be able to see what drones are flying at a given gps location at a given time. It would make it not only more trackable from a gov standpoint, but that of someone with malicious intentions as well.. Such as theft/robbery or even trying to make things more difficult for a business competitor.

Have a good day.

no i'm not good. i check the faa laws against and there is nothing in the laws about making money or ads or sponsorships or promotions or income. i'm asking you again to post that part of the faa that speaks about this. not a drone website, the law. the faa laws says "in furtherance of a business." if you fly your drone and intend the use the video/photo to further your business, you need a part 107. that's it. it says nothing about ads or revenue or promotions or youtube or anything else.

as for remote id, i understand it completely. i can tell by the paragraph that you wrote that you are simply repeating what you've heard so i'm not even going to bother. you are confused. remote id is not yet the law so there's no sense discussing the implications and the implementation. it's irrelevant for dji air 2 pilots looking to buy and fly a drone today. remote id is going to be a disaster.

ok btw, if you have that faa law, please post it.

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kensteele

Mar 11, 2022 11:37 PM

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kensteeleMar 11, 2022 11:37 PM

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Quote from Bargankiller

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"If you have any intention at all of monetizing your YouTube videos, now or in the future, OR if your drone videos will enhance or promote your business in any way, you must have a Part 107 Remote Pilot license before filming those videos."
From Droneblog
https://www.droneblog.com/do-i-ne...n-youtube/

FAA is very murky on the definition. It seems that any monetary gains/value intentional or not are a violation of FAA rules.

"Goodwill or other non-monetary value can also be considered indirect compensation."
From FAA

https://www.faa.gov/uas/recreational_fliers/

edit

Youtuber fined over $100k for breaking FAA rules.
https://dronexl.co/2020/11/26/faa...one-pilot/

i agree if your drone video will promote or enhance or further you business (i.e. youtube channel), you need a part 107. why do i agree with that? because it's in the law.

do you know what isn't in the law? if you have intentions to monetize your youtube videos..." yeah, that's not in the law. the law says "the intent of your flight." if i have 500 cooking videos on my yt cooking channel and i'm getting paid by yt, yeah it's part of my cooking business. today, i fly my drone in the backyard and get some cool pictures of my green grass and i want to share it with my grandmother and i post a 30 second video on my cooking channel, video #501, and youtube puts an ad on my video and sends me a check for 75 cents. guess what?

faa: "was the intent of your drone flight to promote or in furtherance of your business?"
me: "no sir, i launched my dji drone just having fun flying, it was a recreational flight."
faa: "well, we checked the law again and since it says nothing about whether you were paid or did it for free for anything like that, we don't check w-2 so it means nothing to us. even if you didn't get paid, if your flight is to further a business then you need part 107. the converse is also true: if you get paid and your flight was not intended to further a business...then it's not a commercial flight." part 107 flyers are allowed to fly recreational flights.

i get it. it's confusing. and the faa won't come out and say it directly which leaves the door open to others who think they have a legal voice and tell us how it is (instead of an opinion). does that even make sense to you? if you post a cinematic beautiful video on a non-monetized channel just to share and for people to enjoy and someone in argentina sees that video and loves it so much they want to send their gratitude for making their day brighter by giving you a million pesos. do you believe it would be illegal to accept the money because the faa says you need a commercial license to get paid for a stupid drone video? or do you think the faa means if you plan to earn a million pesos by showing off cinematic drone video, you need a commercial license to further your business? i believe it is the latter. but i didn't fly that drone video to make money; i flew that video to have fun and make a cool video for people to enjoy...it's called the recreational exception. if someone who hates me sends me two pesos and then reports me to the faa, i need to prove that i didn't accept that money for a "recreational" drone video? that's ridiculous.

think about if this is a dslr camera instead of a drone camera, what's the difference? the difference is "in furtherance of a business." that's it. nothing to do with youtube, nothing to do with compensation....everything to do with "intent."

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technono

Mar 12, 2022 12:04 PM

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technonoMar 12, 2022 12:04 PM

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Here are a couple quotes from the FAA website, for those with an interest in some perspective on USA drone legalities. Rather than opinion of some people on the internet. I'd strongly encourage to not take some of these posters as knowledgeable and instead contact an actual attorney who specializes in these laws as well as just contact the FAA with your questions (https://www.faa.gov/uas/contact_us/).

Now maybe you jokers can take your FAA "legal" opinions elsewhere and everyone can get back to talking about the DJI Mavic Air 2.

Quote :

What is a Recreational Flight?
Many people assume that a recreational flight is one that is not operated for a business or any form of compensation. But, that's not always the case. Financial compensation, or the lack of it, is not what determines if the flight is recreational or commercial. The following information can be used to help you determine what rules you should be operating under. Remember, the default regulation for drones weighing under 55 pounds is Part 107. The exception for recreational flyers only applies to flights that are purely for fun or personal enjoyment. When in doubt, fly under Part 107.
Note: Non-recreational purposes include things like taking photos to help sell a property or service, roof inspections, or taking pictures of a high school football game for the school's website. Goodwill or other non-monetary value can also be considered indirect compensation. This would include things like volunteering to use your drone to survey coastlines on behalf of a non-profit organization. Recreational flight is simply flying for fun or personal enjoyment.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/recreational_fliers/

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1. The aircraft is flown strictly for recreational purposes.
Your unmanned aircraft must be flown for only a recreational purpose throughout the duration of the operation. You may not combine recreational and commercial purposes in a single operation. If you are using the unmanned aircraft for a commercial or business purpose, the operation must be conducted under 14 CFR part 107 or other applicable FAA regulations.

https://www.federalregister.gov/d...d-aircraft

beakeru2

Mar 12, 2022 12:43 PM

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beakeru2Mar 12, 2022 12:43 PM

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I would hold off.. The drone laws were just updated to take effect at end of the year.. These things will dramatically drop in price with the legal restrictions that have been approved.
Those in the know are unloading theirs like hotcakes (check the forums) there are other brands that can be purchased without the FAA locking down the controls... Due Diligence is suggested

pmperry

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Mar 12, 2022 03:16 PM

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pmperry

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Quote from twostepopper

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Are you good?

Everything I said was accurate and seems to be helpful based on likes/replies.

To clarify on YouTube.. anyone who is making money with ads, sponsors or promotions that generate any income require a part 107.

On the remote ID you don't seem to understand it. It would be fully public knowledge. Anyone would be able to see what drones are flying at a given gps location at a given time. It would make it not only more trackable from a gov standpoint, but that of someone with malicious intentions as well.. Such as theft/robbery or even trying to make things more difficult for a business competitor.

Have a good day.

Actually the test is not a license it just a free safety course and test that anyone can take in 20 minutes. No issues here.

As far as the ID goes, it is already in many of the drones on the market and it has saved my ass when some Jack ass in a Cessna almost took it out, because he thought it would be awesome to fly over my neighborhood under 200 feet.

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pmperry

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Mar 12, 2022 03:20 PM

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pmperry

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Quote from beakeru2

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I would hold off.. The drone laws were just updated to take effect at end of the year.. These things will dramatically drop in price with the legal restrictions that have been approved.
Those in the know are unloading theirs like hotcakes (check the forums) there are other brands that can be purchased without the FAA locking down the controls... Due Diligence is suggested

Geofencing can be an issue, but for most places it isn't and honestly, do you really want these things flying around the airport? Or maybe you want them going up 13000 feet, because what could possibly go wrong there? I get it, everyone wants to be a cloud walker, but that's not necessarily safe, especially if the aircraft does not have something that can alert pilots that it is there.

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beakeru2

Mar 12, 2022 04:15 PM

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beakeru2Mar 12, 2022 04:15 PM

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Quote from pmperry

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Geofencing can be an issue, but for most places it isn't and honestly, do you really want these things flying around the airport? Or maybe you want them going up 13000 feet, because what could possibly go wrong there? I get it, everyone wants to be a cloud walker, but that's not necessarily safe, especially if the aircraft does not have something that can alert pilots that it is there.

Oh I completely agree with you as I am in law enforcement and I understand the logic behind the "current" geofencing rules.. However, that is not what I am referring to. Im referring to the fact that you will be required to retrofit your drone with the FAA"s provided remote tracking device.. Check out some of the forums for complete details.. Some agencies are upset about it, so much so that they have discontinued the use of DJI (specifically) for a few of the reasons I touched upon and several more that they see coming down the pipe.. Im not trying to discourage anyone from buying.. I simply suggested "due your due diligence" because the bird you buy today for 1k will not be worth spit the middle of next year (in my very humble opinion) and I hope I am wrong ..

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dealsquirrel

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Mar 12, 2022 05:20 PM

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dealsquirrel

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Nowhere on the World Wide Web are there decibel ratings on these models. I've owned 4 DJI Drones, and the noise level has ranged from quiet (Mini SE) to Chopper (Phantom).

Does anyone know the db level on the 2, or preferably the 2S?

kensteele

Mar 13, 2022 01:42 AM

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kensteeleMar 13, 2022 01:42 AM

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Quote from beakeru2

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I would hold off.. The drone laws were just updated to take effect at end of the year.. These things will dramatically drop in price with the legal restrictions that have been approved.
Those in the know are unloading theirs like hotcakes (check the forums) there are other brands that can be purchased without the FAA locking down the controls... Due Diligence is suggested

negative. there are no laws changing at the end of the year that have any effect on anything we are talking about in this thread. nobody is unloading their drones from one brand to switch to another based on faa locking down anything. there isn't anything you've said here that is true. sorry it's all fake news. the faa is not locking down the controls on any drones. :facepalm1:

kensteele

Mar 13, 2022 01:48 AM

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kensteeleMar 13, 2022 01:48 AM

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Quote from pmperry

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Actually the test is not a license it just a free safety course and test that anyone can take in 20 minutes. No issues here.

As far as the ID goes, it is already in many of the drones on the market and it has saved my ass when some Jack ass in a Cessna almost took it out, because he thought it would be awesome to fly over my neighborhood under 200 feet.

you already have ads-b (not id or not remote id) which is cool and very useful for identifying low flying aircraft in the area. i use it as well (for my drones that have it) and while it hasn't saved me, it's very useful because all the aircraft in my area seem to have it. aircraft that broadcast their speed/position/etc allows your ads-b equipped drone to notify the drone flyer there is a plane or helicopter approaching and you can actually see it coming on your remote controller phone screen and take evasive action if necessary...well in advance. it works great. it's one way: the aircraft tells the drone, the drone listens.

new faa laws coming (id or remote id) is not effective in any of our drones today but if everything is finalized, it is our drones that will be telling the rest of world our location, etc. if you are a person standing on the ground, you can located all the drones around the area because drones are supposed to broadcast their whereabouts. bad...really bad.

pmperry

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Mar 13, 2022 01:54 AM

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pmperry

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Quote from beakeru2

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Oh I completely agree with you as I am in law enforcement and I understand the logic behind the "current" geofencing rules.. However, that is not what I am referring to. Im referring to the fact that you will be required to retrofit your drone with the FAA"s provided remote tracking device.. Check out some of the forums for complete details.. Some agencies are upset about it, so much so that they have discontinued the use of DJI (specifically) for a few of the reasons I touched upon and several more that they see coming down the pipe.. Im not trying to discourage anyone from buying.. I simply suggested "due your due diligence" because the bird you buy today for 1k will not be worth spit the middle of next year (in my very humble opinion) and I hope I am wrong ..

I call BS on that, some of these drones won't even take minor attachments without struggling, let alone a transponder. I'm speaking specifically of the retrofitting claim.

pmperry

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pmperry

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Quote from kensteele

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you already have ads-b (not id or not remote id) which is cool and very useful for identifying low flying aircraft in the area. i use it as well (for my drones that have it) and while it hasn't saved me, it's very useful because all the aircraft in my area seem to have it. aircraft that broadcast their speed/position/etc allows your ads-b equipped drone to notify the drone flyer there is a plane or helicopter approaching and you can actually see it coming on your remote controller phone screen and take evasive action if necessary...well in advance. it works great. it's one way: the aircraft tells the drone, the drone listens.

new faa laws coming (id or remote id) is not effective in any of our drones today but if everything is finalized, it is our drones that will be telling the rest of world our location, etc. if you are a person standing on the ground, you can located all the drones around the area because drones are supposed to broadcast their whereabouts. bad...really bad.

My understanding is they can track you through that and the drone's serial number anyway.

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