expirednman142 posted Mar 23, 2022 05:32 PM
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expirednman142 posted Mar 23, 2022 05:32 PM
Baratza Coffee Grinders (Refurbished): Sette 30 $209, Encore
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Baratza has select Baratza Coffee Grinders (Refurbished) on sale for the prices listed below. Shipping cost varies depending on location.
Thanks to Community Member nman142 for finding this deal.
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Thanks to Community Member nman142 for finding this deal.
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- Refurbished grinders are preowned grinders that have been fixed, cleaned, and updated to the newest parts, but might have minor blemishes and scratches from previous use. The refurbished grinders come with our full 1-year warranty.
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Written by powerfuldoppler | Staff- About this product:
- All Baratza refurbs come with a 1-year warranty.
- See the forum thread for additional deal discussion.
- About this deal:
- This deal price for the Encore model is $50.95 lower (29.97% savings) than the retail price of $169.95 when purchased new.
- About this store:
- See Baratza return policy here.
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Baratza has select Baratza Coffee Grinders (Refurbished) on sale for the prices listed below. Shipping cost varies depending on location.
Thanks to Community Member nman142 for finding this deal.
Available:Condition:
Thanks to Community Member nman142 for finding this deal.
Available:Condition:
- Refurbished grinders are preowned grinders that have been fixed, cleaned, and updated to the newest parts, but might have minor blemishes and scratches from previous use. The refurbished grinders come with our full 1-year warranty.
Editor's Notes
Written by powerfuldoppler | Staff- About this product:
- All Baratza refurbs come with a 1-year warranty.
- See the forum thread for additional deal discussion.
- About this deal:
- This deal price for the Encore model is $50.95 lower (29.97% savings) than the retail price of $169.95 when purchased new.
- About this store:
- See Baratza return policy here.
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https://www.baratza.com/shop/sett...t-assembly
Any brew method will benefit from a high quality grinder.
All this being said, if you're drinking cheap grocery store coffee, do whatever you want.
Also, the encore is not an espresso grinder, though it may work for pressurized portafilter machines.
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That's what America Test Kitchen did. Over and over and over... and even coffee shop owners couldn't pick which was which.
https://youtu.be/wS8igZyhNFw
I did my own test of a hario manual burr grinder vs cheap blade grinder many years ago and, like those testers, I couldn't tell the difference either.
Coffee extraction is pretty simple to explain. The less you extract, the more sour the coffee. The more you extract, the more bitter the coffee. Kinda like cooking potatoes. If you have whole potatoes boiling with diced potatoes... you are going to have some undercooked and some overcooked potatoes. Maybe thats your perfect recipe, but the potato size definitely makes a difference in the final product.
I've done this taste test myself with a blind a, b, c test. We used a spice grinder, a cuisinart, a baratza virtuoso+. We ground the coffee as close to each other as we could... then did a cupping of the three. Spice grinder was not good (but not the worst I've had). Cuisinart was fine. Virtuoso+ had a lot more clarity and was just a tiny bit bitter iirc, which could be fixed by a small grind adjustment.
I definitely recommend the baratza encore for anyone doing non-espresso coffee. If you only brew with french press, your blade grinder or cheap burr grinder is probably FINE enough... but every other extraction method will see improvements. There are also many manual burr grinders that are cheaper if you don't mind manually grinding your coffee every morning. No motor cuts the price down a lot.
That's what America Test Kitchen did. Over and over and over... and even coffee shop owners couldn't pick which was which.
https://youtu.be/wS8igZyhNFw
I did my own test of a hario manual burr grinder vs cheap blade grinder many years ago and, like those testers, I couldn't tell the difference either.
To make a statement that a high quality burr grinder provides no benefit to drip coffee is just not true.
If you're using high quality beans, if you're using good water, if you've got a brew method down, the difference is night and day.
I don't care about the video. you can poke quite a few holes in that experiment. Also, their preference is a burr grinder, haha.
You obviously didn't watch the video
It's so funny to watch the coffee geeks grasp at straws.
"Oh, they didn't use the right beans". Oh, they didn't use the right water".
Oh, they didn't study the 750 year history of coffee".
Water is a solvent. The cleaner it is the more it can extract. Also clean water tastes cleaner. This isn't just true on the coffee industry this is true in cooking and many other industries. Google lemoncello, look why they use very high % alcohol to extract the flavors of lemon zest, for one example. Pure alcohol will suck moisture right out of the air.
You simply do not know what you are talking about. I'd only agree that 90% of people who talk fancy about coffee science have no idea what they are talking about. That does not negate that there is objective science behind coffee.
https://www.baratza.com/shop/sett...t-assembly
the price difference between 30 and 270 is about 100 dollar, which is the price difference of the adjustment assembly, with the fact that YOU have to do the work.
and 270 comes with better parts and 3 program buttons.
you are literary paying more for less if you buying the 30 with the 270 adjustment.
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Lol. Follow the science.
It's so funny when coffee geeks say how obvious the difference between the taste of burr ground coffee and blade ground coffee DRIP coffee is, BUT when confronted by MULTIPLE blind taste tests with coffee drinkers and shop owners owners who couldn't tell which was which, they start making all types of excuses and denials.
Follow the science.
If you look at the science of extraction in drip coffee... water is being slowly dripped over the coffee bed, flows through the coffee, then gets filtered through the paper and into the carafe. How long that water spends in contact with the coffee before it drips out changes how much coffee is extracted. Think of it like steeping tea... dipping the bag for 1 minute vs 10 minutes.
Mix up some sand with some rocks. If you have rocks next to each other, water is going to flow through that path rather than the sand. That means your water spends more time in contact with the rocks... so those rocks are extracted more. The sand hardly got any contact, so those are underextracted. Now if you were to pour water through just sand or just rocks, everything should have roughly the same contact time. That said, water flows through rocks more quickly, so you have less contact time. Less contact time means a weaker brew overall.
The above can be measured with a coffee refractometer to see the total amount of coffee extracted. That is actual science.
It's almost like the end result is all that matters!
Studies and research are great. Discounting the results of countless other experiments from actual experts in the field over one panel of testers done by non-experts is foolish.
EDIT: I also want to point out, ATK's other coffee video about the burr grinder vs blade grinder... they even state that they prefer burr grinders because of the consistency and ease of use. You are HOPING that you get the same grind size every time you grind with a blade grinder. Go 2 seconds longer? Too fine. 2 seconds too short? Too coarse. Good burr grinders will give you consistent and even results every time.
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS8igZy
You are like those people who think all earbuds sound the same. It's a mess, and there's a lot of confusion and people with expert status that don't know what they are talking about, but no.
hey if you enjoy your coffee from a blade grinder, by all means, keep making it that way.
If you enjoy a burr, then do you.
I have tried both, roast my own beans. i use the encore, and yes there is a difference.
Can you get close results with a blade? possibly, but you gotta work, shake grinder, keep stopping to check on grind size, etc etc. you gotta put in work. burrs are effortless, push button, get evenly ground, uniform coffee.
I guess if blade grinders had a sieve and a chamber through the sieve to deposite ground coffee, it would make it slightly better,however, you'd still get a lot of fines.
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You obviously didn't watch the video šš
It's so funny to watch the coffee geeks grasp at straws.
"Oh, they didn't use the right beans". Oh, they didn't use the right water".
Oh, they didn't study the 750 year history of coffee".
ššš
I've seen that video about a year ago, and watched it again today. Are you really going to argue beans don't make a difference either?
You're some sad person hitting the š button in attempt to psychologically abuse others
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