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Last time I speak the truth about 11800h is superior in gaming performance than 5800h, get a downvote hell. Some people just because Ryzen 3 on killing spree of Intel's desktop 11 gen then conclude 5800h should destroy 11800h, the fact is not checked:
Just for pure gaming, CPU cache make a lot difference. That's why AMD released 5800x3d with 96 MB L3 give 12900k(30 MB) a home run for the price.
Intel Desktop CPU 11 gen are garbage due to poor reuse of 14nm node and only gives 16 MB L3 while Ryzen 5800x have 32 MB L3.
​Due to historical and technology reasons, Ryzen always need more cache to evenly match Intel's gaming performance, it's a fact.
However Intel mobile 11 gen is 10nm and 11800h(24 MB) is a lot better for it have more L3 cache than 5800h(16MB), it's also a fact.
So Ryzen 3 did a great job on desktop doesn't immediately transfer to the mobile world. Acknowledge 11800h is vastly superior in single core performance than 5800h or 6800h is the same as we know 11800h power efficiency is quite poor compares to 5800h.
So please don't assume 5800/5900 even 6800/6900 are the same level of gaming performance as gen 11 or gen 12, they're not. period.
Ryzen 3 mobile chip strike a great performance balance between battery efficiency and gaming performance. Yet the absolute single core still lingers around Intel 10th gen. If the game you play rely heavily on single core or low 1% fps. Intel gen 11/12 is a great boost, otherwise Ryzen is a balanced choice.
Again, pure gaming performance:
Desktop: gen 10 = gen 11 = zen 2 < zen 3 < gen 12
Mobile: zen 2 < gen 10 = zen 3 <= zen 3+ < gen 11 < gen 12
I have this with 32 gb ram (other specs the same except windows 10) and it is a beast. Has given me 0 issues--in stark contrast to my XPS 13. I really only play apex sparingly. So no idea if it can run Crysis.
Wrong, this guy is right. I have had the 5900HX and the 11800h. I replaced RAM in both. The 11800h on timespy I could get almost 11000, with a 5900HX, I could barely crack 10000. Some games that favor AMD do better but the majority gave a 5 to 7% advantage to the 11800h. As far as efficiency, your right. The 5900HX will last up to 6 hours on a full battery while the 11800h seems to always die at the 4 hour mark.
Everyone one is a freaking expert on here and yet you have never owned both I presume. Anyone can watch Jarrod's Tech but some people test it for themselves. Based on the 2 models I had (and the G15 Advantage Edition that performed identically with its 5900HX on benchmarks with 1Rx8 RAM), I can say, the 11800h is better for gaming. It isn't that much better, but you pick what you want.
Better battery life and a slight loss in performance or better gaming, thunderbolt, pci gen 4, with worse battery performance.
I had 2 identical laptops running the same games with the same specs besides the cpu. 5900hx was definitely more battery efficient but the 11800h definitely outperformed it across the board
It is possible you had the garbage 1Rx16 ram. I replaced that junk on my 5900hx with 1Rx8 sticks an I saw an improvent of 10-15%. I think RDR2 saw as much as 20...
I had 2 identical laptops running the same games with the same specs besides the cpu. 5900hx was definitely more battery efficient but the 11800h definitely outperformed it across the board
I have this laptop. I got it from Microcenter refurbished (it was brand new for sure) for $1690.97 with 32 gbs of RAM. I bought a warranty for $120 through a 3rd party. It's a beast. This price is okay. Not the best I have seen but pretty close.
Edit: Also, mine was the 7i version. had a 11800h not the R9 5900
Same here! I got a 7i for $1399. Definitely a beast. Mine was the 3070. It definitely seems new.
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Wrong, this guy is right. I have had the 5900HX and the 11800h. I replaced RAM in both. The 11800h on timespy I could get almost 11000, with a 5900HX, I could barely crack 10000. Some games that favor AMD do better but the majority gave a 5 to 7% advantage to the 11800h. As far as efficiency, your right. The 5900HX will last up to 6 hours on a full battery while the 11800h seems to always die at the 4 hour mark.
Everyone one is a freaking expert on here and yet you have never owned both I presume. Anyone can watch Jarrod's Tech but some people test it for themselves. Based on the 2 models I had (and the G15 Advantage Edition that performed identically with its 5900HX on benchmarks with 1Rx8 RAM), I can say, the 11800h is better for gaming. It isn't that much better, but you pick what you want.
Better battery life and a slight loss in performance or better gaming, thunderbolt, pci gen 4, with worse battery performance.
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It is possible you had the garbage 1Rx16 ram. I replaced that junk on my 5900hx with 1Rx8 sticks an I saw an improvent of 10-15%. I think RDR2 saw as much as 20...
Exactly what I'm trying to play: RDR2 and its online component RDO. I imagine this laptop runs beautifully on Ultra High graphics with the 3080, yes?
How much was their warranty. I went with micro center warranty.
Time will tell. Microcenter's warranty is definitely best, but it is outrageously expensive. I think they wanted $450? Worth it in the long run I am sure but I am a cheapskate lol
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Time will tell. Microcenter's warranty is definitely best, but it is outrageously expensive. I think they wanted $450? Worth it in the long run I am sure but I am a cheapskate lol
Exactly what I'm trying to play: RDR2 and its online component RDO. I imagine this laptop runs beautifully on Ultra High graphics with the 3080, yes?
Just sounds like I'll need to replace the RAM...
RDR2 is truly a masterpiece. It should run high on 3070 and above. However you still need to do a bit of homework on which settings you really need to be high or ultra.
Setting absolutely everything on high/ultra will probably bog down even the 3080 especially at qhd.
I just watched a few videos on what the best way to setup the game is and was extremely happy with the result.
That said I personally do not think that $2k is worth it for this is a good bang for the buck. If you can live with minor reduction in performance for as low as $800 less the Alienware M15 (3070) or the Asus strix g15 advantage ( rx6800m) make more sense.
However, if money doesn't matter then this is probably as good as it gets.
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Wrong, this guy is right. I have had the 5900HX and the 11800h. I replaced RAM in both. The 11800h on timespy I could get almost 11000, with a 5900HX, I could barely crack 10000. Some games that favor AMD do better but the majority gave a 5 to 7% advantage to the 11800h. As far as efficiency, your right. The 5900HX will last up to 6 hours on a full battery while the 11800h seems to always die at the 4 hour mark.
Everyone one is a freaking expert on here and yet you have never owned both I presume. Anyone can watch Jarrod's Tech but some people test it for themselves. Based on the 2 models I had (and the G15 Advantage Edition that performed identically with its 5900HX on benchmarks with 1Rx8 RAM), I can say, the 11800h is better for gaming. It isn't that much better, but you pick what you want.
Better battery life and a slight loss in performance or better gaming, thunderbolt, pci gen 4, with worse battery performance.
Well other than snarky 15 year olds like you on the internet all the real reviewers showed negligible difference in fps during gaming. So youtake a huge power consumption hit for performance you are very unlikely to notice.
If the electric bill and longevity of your chip are not a concern then sure get the intel.
I think 3 years. Yeah, their warranties have the best service but they are really expensive.
Love how I am the snarky 15 year old while people put their two cents on here all of the time and act like they know definitively the problem. The guy above said "definitely user error"... or it could be.. oh, IDK... silicone lottery?
While I didn't see 20-30 frame per sec difference like him, I agree, the 11800h is better than the R9 5900HX by 5%-7% in most games.
And longevity of a chip? You are reaching hard on that statement. Let's be real, anyone buying a gaming laptop will replace it in less than 5 years. To act like the power consumption of a mobile chip will make a massive difference in longevity is hilarious. Never heard Intel chips just burning out because "too much power". Come down to earth away from the theoretical realm and back to reality. Many things will fail on a laptop before the cpu on both platforms.
The things that matter are
- better battery performance (amd), slightly less performance, no pci 4 for thunderbolt
vs.
- marginally better performance, worse battery life, thunderbolt, pci 4
Idk what the KW/hr price is for you but pulling a few extra watts doesn't break my bank for my power bill.
I had the i7 11800h 3700 version and with all power savings on, low brightness below 40%, and disabling icue services and even just deleting the whole app I would only max out at around 4 hours on battery. Pathetic that means if I actually wanted to use it like normal on battery I was lucky to get 2-3 hours. This was only from web browsing and Microsoft word. Need battery because I need it for school too when I'm away from the outlet. It was a deal breaker and return for me. I'm looking for the legion 7 series to go down a little more in price then I'm gonna go for 5800h/3070 version
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Last time I speak the truth about 11800h is superior in gaming performance than 5800h, get a downvote hell. Some people just because Ryzen 3 on killing spree of Intel's desktop 11 gen then conclude 5800h should destroy 11800h, the fact is not checked:
Just for pure gaming, CPU cache make a lot difference. That's why AMD released 5800x3d with 96 MB L3 give 12900k(30 MB) a home run for the price.
Intel Desktop CPU 11 gen are garbage due to poor reuse of 14nm node and only gives 16 MB L3 while Ryzen 5800x have 32 MB L3.
​Due to historical and technology reasons, Ryzen always need more cache to evenly match Intel's gaming performance, it's a fact.
However Intel mobile 11 gen is 10nm and 11800h(24 MB) is a lot better for it have more L3 cache than 5800h(16MB), it's also a fact.
So Ryzen 3 did a great job on desktop doesn't immediately transfer to the mobile world. Acknowledge 11800h is vastly superior in single core performance than 5800h or 6800h is the same as we know 11800h power efficiency is quite poor compares to 5800h.
So please don't assume 5800/5900 even 6800/6900 are the same level of gaming performance as gen 11 or gen 12, they're not. period.
Ryzen 3 mobile chip strike a great performance balance between battery efficiency and gaming performance. Yet the absolute single core still lingers around Intel 10th gen. If the game you play rely heavily on single core or low 1% fps. Intel gen 11/12 is a great boost, otherwise Ryzen is a balanced choice.
Again, pure gaming performance:
Desktop: gen 10 = gen 11 = zen 2 < zen 3 < gen 12
Mobile: zen 2 < gen 10 = zen 3 <= zen 3+ < gen 11 < gen 12
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Just for pure gaming, CPU cache make a lot difference. That's why AMD released 5800x3d with 96 MB L3 give 12900k(30 MB) a home run for the price.
Intel Desktop CPU 11 gen are garbage due to poor reuse of 14nm node and only gives 16 MB L3 while Ryzen 5800x have 32 MB L3.
​Due to historical and technology reasons, Ryzen always need more cache to evenly match Intel's gaming performance, it's a fact.
However Intel mobile 11 gen is 10nm and 11800h(24 MB) is a lot better for it have more L3 cache than 5800h(16MB), it's also a fact.
So Ryzen 3 did a great job on desktop doesn't immediately transfer to the mobile world. Acknowledge 11800h is vastly superior in single core performance than 5800h or 6800h is the same as we know 11800h power efficiency is quite poor compares to 5800h.
So please don't assume 5800/5900 even 6800/6900 are the same level of gaming performance as gen 11 or gen 12, they're not. period.
Ryzen 3 mobile chip strike a great performance balance between battery efficiency and gaming performance. Yet the absolute single core still lingers around Intel 10th gen. If the game you play rely heavily on single core or low 1% fps. Intel gen 11/12 is a great boost, otherwise Ryzen is a balanced choice.
Again, pure gaming performance:
Desktop: gen 10 = gen 11 = zen 2 < zen 3 < gen 12
Mobile: zen 2 < gen 10 = zen 3 <= zen 3+ < gen 11 < gen 12
edit - I paid 2400 in August 2021. no regrets.
Everyone one is a freaking expert on here and yet you have never owned both I presume. Anyone can watch Jarrod's Tech but some people test it for themselves. Based on the 2 models I had (and the G15 Advantage Edition that performed identically with its 5900HX on benchmarks with 1Rx8 RAM), I can say, the 11800h is better for gaming. It isn't that much better, but you pick what you want.
Better battery life and a slight loss in performance or better gaming, thunderbolt, pci gen 4, with worse battery performance.
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Edit: Also, mine was the 7i version. had a 11800h not the R9 5900
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Everyone one is a freaking expert on here and yet you have never owned both I presume. Anyone can watch Jarrod's Tech but some people test it for themselves. Based on the 2 models I had (and the G15 Advantage Edition that performed identically with its 5900HX on benchmarks with 1Rx8 RAM), I can say, the 11800h is better for gaming. It isn't that much better, but you pick what you want.
Better battery life and a slight loss in performance or better gaming, thunderbolt, pci gen 4, with worse battery performance.
Just sounds like I'll need to replace the RAM...
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Just sounds like I'll need to replace the RAM...
Setting absolutely everything on high/ultra will probably bog down even the 3080 especially at qhd.
I just watched a few videos on what the best way to setup the game is and was extremely happy with the result.
That said I personally do not think that $2k is worth it for this is a good bang for the buck. If you can live with minor reduction in performance for as low as $800 less the Alienware M15 (3070) or the Asus strix g15 advantage ( rx6800m) make more sense.
However, if money doesn't matter then this is probably as good as it gets.
Everyone one is a freaking expert on here and yet you have never owned both I presume. Anyone can watch Jarrod's Tech but some people test it for themselves. Based on the 2 models I had (and the G15 Advantage Edition that performed identically with its 5900HX on benchmarks with 1Rx8 RAM), I can say, the 11800h is better for gaming. It isn't that much better, but you pick what you want.
Better battery life and a slight loss in performance or better gaming, thunderbolt, pci gen 4, with worse battery performance.
If the electric bill and longevity of your chip are not a concern then sure get the intel.
While I didn't see 20-30 frame per sec difference like him, I agree, the 11800h is better than the R9 5900HX by 5%-7% in most games.
And longevity of a chip? You are reaching hard on that statement. Let's be real, anyone buying a gaming laptop will replace it in less than 5 years. To act like the power consumption of a mobile chip will make a massive difference in longevity is hilarious. Never heard Intel chips just burning out because "too much power". Come down to earth away from the theoretical realm and back to reality. Many things will fail on a laptop before the cpu on both platforms.
The things that matter are
- better battery performance (amd), slightly less performance, no pci 4 for thunderbolt
vs.
- marginally better performance, worse battery life, thunderbolt, pci 4
Idk what the KW/hr price is for you but pulling a few extra watts doesn't break my bank for my power bill.
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Just for pure gaming, CPU cache make a lot difference. That's why AMD released 5800x3d with 96 MB L3 give 12900k(30 MB) a home run for the price.
Intel Desktop CPU 11 gen are garbage due to poor reuse of 14nm node and only gives 16 MB L3 while Ryzen 5800x have 32 MB L3.
​Due to historical and technology reasons, Ryzen always need more cache to evenly match Intel's gaming performance, it's a fact.
However Intel mobile 11 gen is 10nm and 11800h(24 MB) is a lot better for it have more L3 cache than 5800h(16MB), it's also a fact.
So Ryzen 3 did a great job on desktop doesn't immediately transfer to the mobile world. Acknowledge 11800h is vastly superior in single core performance than 5800h or 6800h is the same as we know 11800h power efficiency is quite poor compares to 5800h.
So please don't assume 5800/5900 even 6800/6900 are the same level of gaming performance as gen 11 or gen 12, they're not. period.
Ryzen 3 mobile chip strike a great performance balance between battery efficiency and gaming performance. Yet the absolute single core still lingers around Intel 10th gen. If the game you play rely heavily on single core or low 1% fps. Intel gen 11/12 is a great boost, otherwise Ryzen is a balanced choice.
Again, pure gaming performance:
Desktop: gen 10 = gen 11 = zen 2 < zen 3 < gen 12
Mobile: zen 2 < gen 10 = zen 3 <= zen 3+ < gen 11 < gen 12
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