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expiredBabyBubba posted Jul 12, 2022 11:49 PM
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ACDelco Group 94R AGM Battery with 36 Month Warranty For GM Full Size Trucks/SUVs $141.94

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Amazon has the ACDelco 94RAGM battery for $141.94 with free shipping for Prime Day. 850CCA, 80AH, 140 reserve capacity. These are premium quality; I had the slightly smaller ACDelco 48AGM 36 month and it lasted 6.5 years. Best price I've seen on this 94R ever. Fits many 2014-up GM full size trucks and SUVS. Silverado, Sierra, Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban, Denali. Also a great upgrade if you're running a group 48 on an older GM truck or SUV; it's slightly longer but otherwise almost identical.

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Amazon has the ACDelco 94RAGM battery for $141.94 with free shipping for Prime Day. 850CCA, 80AH, 140 reserve capacity. These are premium quality; I had the slightly smaller ACDelco 48AGM 36 month and it lasted 6.5 years. Best price I've seen on this 94R ever. Fits many 2014-up GM full size trucks and SUVS. Silverado, Sierra, Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban, Denali. Also a great upgrade if you're running a group 48 on an older GM truck or SUV; it's slightly longer but otherwise almost identical.

https://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-94...1C2M&psc=1

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Jul 13, 2022 12:48 AM
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PuckS9852Jul 13, 2022 12:48 AM
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Don't buy a battery thru Amazon. Johnson Controls, who makes these batteries for ACDelco, is going to require the vendor to handle the warranty. Why?

They need to cellcorder them and get a resistance measurement for warranty purposes.

So, not a particularly good price and you can just go to Walmart and buy the same battery.
Jul 13, 2022 02:18 AM
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Quote from PuckS9852 :
Don't buy a battery thru Amazon. Johnson Controls, who makes these batteries for ACDelco, is going to require the vendor to handle the warranty. Why?

They need to cellcorder them and get a resistance measurement for warranty purposes.

So, not a particularly good price and you can just go to Walmart and buy the same battery.
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About $30 more at Walmart plus core or core charge for their Ever Start H7 [walmart.com] that appears to have wrong specs with 850CCA.

Not certain same battery, but any warranty issue is valid.
Jul 13, 2022 01:43 PM
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PuckS9852Jul 13, 2022 01:43 PM
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Quote from ToolDeals :
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About $30 more at Walmart plus core or core charge for their Ever Start H7 [walmart.com] that appears to have wrong specs with 850CCA.

Not certain same battery, but any warranty issue is valid.
ACDelco and Walmart batteries are made by Johnson Controls. (The battery business of Johnson Controls got sold to some new company, I forget the name)

There are only 3 companies that manufacture this type of battery.
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Quote from PuckS9852 :
ACDelco and Walmart batteries are made by Johnson Controls. (The battery business of Johnson Controls got sold to some new company, I forget the name)

There are only 3 companies that manufacture this type of battery.
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The old timers quoted Globe made Walmart batteries that admittedly, I have repeated more than once. So, I had to do a little research that is not as cut and dry as one might think it should be. Website after website regurgitating the same robo BS was not the answer, so you have to dig a little deeper with Thomasnet, SEC filings, etc., that I now wish I had not went down that rabbit hole. There are at least a dozen US manufactures besides the major three.

Years, ago, Globe Union made Walmart auto batteries, that were as good or better than any out there. Globe was bought out by Johnson Controls, who was later (2019) bought out by Clarios LLC.

Meanwhile, there are a lot of companies in the USA and around the world that make batteries, including the gel type. In the USA, the three major manufactures are Clarios LLC, East Penn and Exide [wikipedia.org] ---that including fraud with Sears's customers that sent a few to jail, has a colorful history. Exide also makes NASCAR batteries that are excellent for high compression engines. There are several others that cannot really compete with the created monopolies.

Today, Clarios makes the majority, but East Penn has, or makes some of Walmart's batteries. Allegedly, the far majority of EverStart batteries are manufactured in Clarios's Canadian facility.
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The battery brands made by Clarios: [hotvehs.com] [for now]

DieHard Battery
Walmart Everstart Batteries
Champion Battery
Interstate Batteries
Autozone Duralast Battery
Energizer car batteries
Kirklands batteries
Optima battery
AutoCraft Batteries
Motorcraft Battery
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ACDelco is manufactured all over the world, with a major battery facility in Saudi Arabia that is 49% owned by Clarios. Allegedly, the 'majority' of ACDelco batteries sold in the USA today are manufactured in North America (by Clarios?), but certainly not all.

What seems to be a viable question, is if ACDelco is the same as EverStart, then would we not also have to conclude the list above are also the same batteries by type?
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Jul 13, 2022 07:35 PM
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PuckS9852Jul 13, 2022 07:35 PM
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Quote from ToolDeals :
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The old timers quoted Globe made Walmart batteries that admittedly, I have repeated more than once. So, I had to do a little research that is not as cut and dry as one might think it should be. Website after website regurgitating the same robo BS was not the answer, so you have to dig a little deeper with Thomasnet, SEC filings, etc., that I now wish I had not went down that rabbit hole. There are at least a dozen US manufactures besides the major three.
In the world of secondary brands(Diehard, Interstate, etc) they typically bid between Exide Deka(East Penn) and Johnson(now Clarios). Walmart/Sears/etc would change manufacturers every few years, based on who offered them a better deal

C&D, and EnerSys are typically more involved with making UPS/Telco and similar batteries.

At the end of the day, the only thing that really changes between batteries is how thick they make the cathode. I've experienced situations where C&D(if memory serves) under-rated their battery capacity so you wound up with higher performing/longer lasting batteries. But short of that, the rating system on these batteries really limits the quality control that can be performed. This is typically standard for your "long warranty" batteries.

There are also some quality control issues, but the three big manufacturers are all pretty consistent with quality control. The only thing I ever look at is price and warranty. Brand is irrelevant.

Source: I do a lot of work with really, really, really big batteries

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Exide also makes NASCAR batteries that are excellent for high compression engines. There are several others that cannot really compete with the created monopolies.
Exide originally made both batteries and large industrial UPS.
Eaton bought the UPS business about 15 years ago? Nowadays, almost all of your industrial UPS are Eaton/Mitsubishi/Schneider(Square D).

Its all very confusing.
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Quote from PuckS9852 :
In the world of secondary brands(Diehard, Interstate, etc) they typically bid between Exide Deka(East Penn) and Johnson(now Clarios). Walmart/Sears/etc would change manufacturers every few years, based on who offered them a better deal

C&D, and EnerSys are typically more involved with making UPS/Telco and similar batteries.

At the end of the day, the only thing that really changes between batteries is how thick they make the cathode. I've experienced situations where C&D(if memory serves) under-rated their battery capacity so you wound up with higher performing/longer lasting batteries. But short of that, the rating system on these batteries really limits the quality control that can be performed. This is typically standard for your "long warranty" batteries.

There are also some quality control issues, but the three big manufacturers are all pretty consistent with quality control. The only thing I ever look at is price and warranty. Brand is irrelevant.

Source: I do a lot of work with really, really, really big batteries


Exide originally made both batteries and large industrial UPS.
Eaton bought the UPS business about 15 years ago? Nowadays, almost all of your industrial UPS are Eaton/Mitsubishi/Schneider(Square D).

Its all very confusing.
Two rich guys at the golf course at 2 PM on a Tuesday afternoon:

Guy #1: We've really got those consumers confused about battery quality now, Randolf!

Guy #2: All part of the plan, Mortimer.​
Jul 13, 2022 10:41 PM
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Quote from PuckS9852 :
In the world of secondary brands(Diehard, Interstate, etc) they typically bid between Exide Deka(East Penn) and Johnson(now Clarios). Walmart/Sears/etc would change manufacturers every few years, based on who offered them a better deal

C&D, and EnerSys are typically more involved with making UPS/Telco and similar batteries.

At the end of the day, the only thing that really changes between batteries is how thick they make the cathode. I've experienced situations where C&D(if memory serves) under-rated their battery capacity so you wound up with higher performing/longer lasting batteries. But short of that, the rating system on these batteries really limits the quality control that can be performed. This is typically standard for your "long warranty" batteries.

There are also some quality control issues, but the three big manufacturers are all pretty consistent with quality control. The only thing I ever look at is price and warranty. Brand is irrelevant.

Source: I do a lot of work with really, really, really big batteries


Exide originally made both batteries and large industrial UPS.
Eaton bought the UPS business about 15 years ago? Nowadays, almost all of your industrial UPS are Eaton/Mitsubishi/Schneider(Square D).

Its all very confusing.
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Walmart's EverStart used to have a longer warranty with their best batteries... at least the prorated end after the replacement period was longer. Nevertheless, they have been good batteries and what we have been buying for a few decades for vehicles.

Yes, the history can be confusing, but today's price and warranty certainly simplifies it. Smilie

At this moment, I am needing four 6v 245a batteries for a scissor lift that are kind of pricey. I picked up a couple 6v pulse chargers to see if they can 'repair,' but from past experience with 12v, I have not had much luck with rejuvenating anything. Although the scissor lift is about 8 years old with low hours, the time frame probably justifies replacing. Since you work with batteries, do you know of any reasonable resources? Thanks...

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If you are looking for a car battery don't overlook Homedepot. The last time I was looking they had the cheapest price and they had the battery I needed in stock and pretty fresh. If I remember right it was a couple of months old. They carry Exite car batteries,
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If you are looking for a car battery don't overlook Homedepot. The last time I was looking they had the cheapest price and they had the battery I needed in stock and pretty fresh. If I remember right it was a couple of months old. They carry Exite car batteries,
Once again, my biggest concern is how they actually warranty these batteries.
Walmart is getting rid of their automotive departments and Home Depot doesnt have a cellcorder

You can't RMA a battery very easily
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Once again, my biggest concern is how they actually warranty these batteries.
Walmart is getting rid of their automotive departments and Home Depot doesnt have a cellcorder

You can't RMA a battery very easily
My first option will be to go to HD and exchange it. I guess you just have the battery tested and file a claim. From Exite's web site:

Warranty Claim Procedure
Before submitting a warranty claim, please complete the following steps
Have the battery tested first to determine the cause of failure and retain the receipt of the test results If the battery is simply in need of a boost, have it recharged and re-tested.
Determine if the battery is still under Limited Warranty Refer to the battery's front label for the Free Replacement Period, and checking the date on your proof of purchase.
*** The applicable Free Replacement Period is calculated from the date of sale to the original purchaser
If the battery is still under Warranty
With your original receipt, attempt to exchange the battery at the original place of purchase
If this is not an option, please return the battery to a Battery Systems location within the Free Replacement Period and ensure to bring proof of purchase.
If an authorized retailer is not in your area or you are otherwise unable to get to a retailer, you can submit a claim

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