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Select Utility Companies: Google Nest Thermostat

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Various Utility Companies are offering current Account Holders in Select States: Google Nest Thermostat or Nest Learning Thermostat on sale for prices listed below. Shipping may vary by location and provider.

Thanks to Staff Member DLS4U for sharing this deal.

Offer Notes:
  • Rebate amounts and requirements vary depending on the utility provider; requirements may include enrollment in rewards/savings programs. Other limitations & eligibility requirements may apply, e.g., connection to central AC.
Example Participating Locations/Services (prices below after all rebates & discounts, which may require enrollment in a savings/rewards program):

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  • About this deal:
    • Please refer to forum thread for additional qualifying Utility Companies participating in this offer, as well as deal discussion.
    • Offer valid for a limited time.
    • Must be a current account holder with the listed utility provider in order to qualify for this sale pricing. Availability may vary by location.

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Various Utility Companies are offering current Account Holders in Select States: Google Nest Thermostat or Nest Learning Thermostat on sale for prices listed below. Shipping may vary by location and provider.

Thanks to Staff Member DLS4U for sharing this deal.

Offer Notes:
  • Rebate amounts and requirements vary depending on the utility provider; requirements may include enrollment in rewards/savings programs. Other limitations & eligibility requirements may apply, e.g., connection to central AC.
Example Participating Locations/Services (prices below after all rebates & discounts, which may require enrollment in a savings/rewards program):

Editor's Notes

Written by powerfuldoppler | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Please refer to forum thread for additional qualifying Utility Companies participating in this offer, as well as deal discussion.
    • Offer valid for a limited time.
    • Must be a current account holder with the listed utility provider in order to qualify for this sale pricing. Availability may vary by location.

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djagger
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I came here expecting some of these replies and wanted to give a reasonable answer.

First - no, the utilities are generally not "controlling" your thermostat. The situation these commenters are referring to is called demand response (DR). Where the utilities will pay their consumers to shift or reduce their demand during times of grid strain to reduce the likelihood of brown or blackouts. For this to happen you need to enroll in the DR program itself, you'll know if you're doing this. Utilities can't just enroll you without your notice.

Second - even if you are in one of these DR programs, you absolutely always have final control over your thermostat and temperature setting. You ALWAYS have the option to opt-out of DR events and keep your thermostat or AC humming along at whatever temperature you want. Yes, if you're enrolled in one of these DR programs and you opt-out, your electric bill may be higher. But that's the whole point. If the utility is offering free stuff (like a thermostat) and ongoing revenue to participate in a DR program, but you opt-out of actually participating? It hurts the utility (and the rest of the grid for that matter), who was expecting you to provide relief so there is some financial incentives there.

I'm just tried of people sensationalizing this stuff. Geeze.

My experience here is as someone who helps implement some of these types of programs for a few utilities around the country. I predominately work with commercial and industrial customers but interact with the residential side of things as well.
RoarOfZonda
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F*** Tennessee
djagger
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You're energy usage is the product. Utilities offer rebates for these types of products (just like LED lights or insulation) because they can save energy. Most utilities in the United States are decoupled from their revenue. Meaning that the utility receives the same revenue regardless of the energy they delivery. So it's in their best interest to help you save energy. You as their utility consumer using less energy = the utility having to delivery less energy or build more energy infrastructure. That's the entire point here.

It's not about data mining for the utility. They don't get that visibility with any demand response programs. Does google for their nest product? Sure, but that's different than what other folks have being talking about here as google isn't offering the rebate. It's about the utility having an incentive to encourage you to use less energy, that's why they offer rebates and discounts on these things.

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Aug 06, 2022 05:28 PM
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JazFAug 06, 2022 05:28 PM
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Quote from CarlosM4335 :
No Florida! Figures, nothing is ever free in Florida! Thx Dicksantos! 😊
Governor accepts money from FPL to remove energy savings for more money. They are even going after solar so people don't install it.
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Aug 06, 2022 05:59 PM
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TealCrow3164Aug 06, 2022 05:59 PM
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Randomly, my temperature rose to 82 degrees. It was checked and all automatic features were disabled. These apps are hard to use.
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Aug 06, 2022 06:40 PM
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CableBroAug 06, 2022 06:40 PM
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No Florida of course!
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Aug 06, 2022 11:13 PM
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XymoxAug 06, 2022 11:13 PM
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Quote from CarlosM4335 :
No Florida! Figures, nothing is ever free in Florida! Thx Dicksantos! 😊
Well, you have no state income tax.
Aug 07, 2022 02:37 AM
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reelbusyAug 07, 2022 02:37 AM
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Roof solar in florida.

so not only can the roofers milk the homeowners insurance companies after storms but the solar installers can to.

Power going to have to get wayyyy more expensive before i'd consider that.

​You do realize insurance companies in florida are also requiring roof replacements as early as 10 years in some cases.

throw me some numbers on replacing that roof and removing re-installing the panels a few times into that savings, toss in some numbers on sq footage space for the equiptment and batteries...you do know there's a self store every few blocks in florida for a reason.I have 3 roofs to maintain and let me tell you a roof is 2x3 times what it was 10 years ago, you're repairing and stretching every life out of it, so the money for the roof replacement can be earning something tangible.

Also know people who yeah spent 35 k for some solar on some piss ant size house, then spend 15k in repairs after x number of years (i now it gets covered but i guess there's clauses...) also had a storm and also spent thousands coordinating removal of all that crap.

Not saying it's bad but the math and savings presentation is overly simplistic. Also what's the long term cost of these panels to insurance and ultimate home owner premiums here, roofers and home owners wanting new roofs have been riding that scam out for decades, that's why we have the roof police now, increased deductibles, and more insurance costs.
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Aug 07, 2022 11:09 AM
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tacoma99Aug 07, 2022 11:09 AM
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Quote from CarlosM4335 :
No Florida! Figures, nothing is ever free in Florida! Thx Dicksantos! 😊
Free scorching heat for 7 months a year and hurricanes for 3.
Aug 07, 2022 11:19 AM
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MK2172Aug 07, 2022 11:19 AM
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Quote from CableBro :
No Florida of course!
No state income tax...You cant get everything for free....
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Aug 07, 2022 11:45 AM
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CableBroAug 07, 2022 11:45 AM
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Quote from MK2172 :
No state income tax...You cant get everything for free....
This offer is only for states with state taxes? Seems kinda dumb. This should be about helping customers save energy regardless. If we all save energy we all benefit. FL uses a massive amount of energy due to the heat and this program would certainly benefit Floridians. We have a government in FL that doesn't give a crap about the little guy though.
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CableBroAug 07, 2022 11:50 AM
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Quote from reelbusy :
1) it's pointless in florida. The extreme humidity changes change the 'feels like' with the afternoon storms daily , there's 2 seasons for ac in florida on and off. the rest is people changing it up and down all day long, and yes if you get one of these you will still be moving it up and down all day long.

2) you want your ac generally constant in florida otherwise you will have mold , trim, drywall issues.

if you want a thermostat buy one ffs, there's plenty of energy star promotions in florida 'death santis' isn't stopping anyone. You can also move to a lock down can't work no school state.

Just got 2 pool pumps at two properties mostly paid for by energy star credits.
Not true. I live is south FL and my Nest is set to 4 auto temp settings and I never mess with them. My house has new windows and new insulation. The humidity in my home never goes past 40% on average. It all depends on how sealed your home is. If you have holes you will have humidity and heat issues,
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Aug 07, 2022 01:32 PM
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TheSingularity1Aug 07, 2022 01:32 PM
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I'm having an issue where the price goes up from $50 in cart to $129 at checkout. I'm with Dominion VA. Anyone else having this issue?
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evilvoiceAug 07, 2022 01:38 PM
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Everyone hating on Florida yet I don't see Georgia or Kansas on here either.
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mig0Aug 07, 2022 06:05 PM
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Stupid West Virginia
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(San Diego, not South Dakota)
Aug 07, 2022 06:19 PM
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FeistySquirrel4360Aug 07, 2022 06:19 PM
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There's a reason this is only a Google product. Google will make more than $70 over a lifetime of selling your data of how you use your thermostat AKA when you are home most plus a variety of other goldmine scenarios they can sell.
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YukiMyAngelAug 07, 2022 10:21 PM
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FPL doesnt have it. upet

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JacqueD2378Aug 08, 2022 03:15 PM
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Quote from djagger :
You're energy usage is the product. Utilities offer rebates for these types of products (just like LED lights or insulation) because they can save energy. Most utilities in the United States are decoupled from their revenue. Meaning that the utility receives the same revenue regardless of the energy they delivery. So it's in their best interest to help you save energy. You as their utility consumer using less energy = the utility having to delivery less energy or build more energy infrastructure. That's the entire point here.

It's not about data mining for the utility. They don't get that visibility with any demand response programs. Does google for their nest product? Sure, but that's different than what other folks have being talking about here as google isn't offering the rebate. It's about the utility having an incentive to encourage you to use less energy, that's why they offer rebates and discounts on these things.
I actually work for a utility in IT around this type of stuff, actually one of the largest utils in USA. What you said about being decoupled from revenue is no where near the truth. Also, these thermostats are a pile, they are no where near smart. They are programmed to consistently save power for the 'greater good', if your system is overworked from 'smart' changes to it constantly trying to re-cool itself after being governed, then that is just a side effect of the greater good of us all being green. Do all utilities constantly change your temp, OF COURSE NOT. BUT, with more and more EVs, the grids are peaking WAY MORE, and it is in these times at peak where we get in the orange and red, that controls to conserve the grid are flipped. (Not getting into 'more power is needed as everyone is an expert on this').
Smart thermostats are great in many cases, but do not act like they are flawless and that the reality of what they can do and do do as far as changing your thermo is not of concern. Google's own algorithm
(as they call it) is the worse. You dont even have to sign up for this program, out of the box it is already going to start monkeying with your temps. Have it set to 72?, cool np... Run to the store - no problem. Come back home, its not 72, its now 80 as it was being 'green' and is saving you money and the grid. BUT, the 2 hours it takes to get back to 72 running full blast each time is somehow energy saving AND ok for your equipment. Yeah, use some common sense. Its all fine until you become the one it affects and then you realize what a huge pile this is. Google alone has consistently taken every functional and decent advancement in technology they acquire and laid it over their anti 'Dont be evil' attitude (sarcasm) and capitalizes every click for their own personal benefit, never for yours at all. If you do decide to get a 'smart' thermostat, this is honestly one of the worst supported and controllable ones on the market. I have been involved in many brands, working directly on this functionality and Google is horrendous.
Of course, take all that with a grain of salt, maybe someone will read this and choose a little more wisely.
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